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trinque: ben_vulpes can confirm that I saw that one directly, with a former boss / drunk.
gabriel_laddel: phf: your time is worth how much per hour again?
trinque: not even, but especially "save the computing industry" quests
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol they redid their website. mmmkay.
trinque: the mind will create elaborate narratives to justify addiction. never affected me directly, but I've seen it. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: fly out to SFO, bring a computer and we'll install masamune.
gabriel_laddel: And how much is a plane ticket to SFO and back?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:46 phf: i've been low-key reviving cmucl's hemlock, can't use portable hemlock nor climacs for that matter, because neither have terminal versions. needless to say the process is slow and painful. like right now i'm trying to figure out why scrolling the buffer is slow slow you can see each individual line redrawing. also arrow keys don't work
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574934 < lol. And how long have you spent working on this? ☝︎
asciilifeform: and i dun think they paid the authors either
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:28 mircea_popescu: jurov amusingly, lua actually DID realise mns in savings for petrobras. the authors however failed to capture any of it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575131 << guess for whom else: for nsa. they rolled in (yes) lua interpreter into whole series of trojans ☝︎
asciilifeform: first ecstacy, then laundry.
mircea_popescu: well, every computer goes through two phases - first, programming, then execution.
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that (iirc) gabriel_laddel was mega-aficionado of my www, but will not take any of my advice nao. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but this is rare.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: trinque aha. entirely "ignis fatuus of the mind"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you think shitlinux can be turned into 'smooth sailing', you have unplesant surprise coming.
mircea_popescu: this is like being "centimetre short of gravitational capture". ain't how things work.
gabriel_laddel: gotta get this fuking livecd to work, and then smooth sailing
trinque: the conceit is that you're always a centimeter away
asciilifeform: but afterburner has to be paid for.
gabriel_laddel: it isn't even a hard problem, just tedious.
gabriel_laddel: ^ this.
trinque: that adds some color to the situation
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: let's put it this way -- I used cocaine, meth etc etc from 16-20 constantly, then not at all for 4+ years. Idk if that is disciplined or what, but I don't appear to have a problem with it, know what it does to me and think it would improve my current situation.
asciilifeform: dopes that make the eater happier to do repetitive / dumb task, are death to programmer. ☟︎
phf: programmer's stone made a point long time ago that you need to be really fucking relaxed to write quality code ☟︎
trinque: all it's going to do is make some foolhardy thing seem like A WICKED SWEET IDEA BRAH
phf: i wouldn't code on coke, or amphetamines for that matter, that hyperactivity narrows down your periphery thinking, which results in a lot of drawn out code
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel this applies to, eg, licking mains socket also ? or just some classes of things ?
trinque: I know what the 10yr of that looks like, secondhand
mircea_popescu: fwiw i never did this.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: tried cocaine yet? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and does not think that it is purely coincidental that he has nothing interesting to show from those days software-wise.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform spent his student years like this.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yet. I end up going through these cycles where caffeine works to stave off sleep, then it doesn't, then I end up sleeping on a couch for 3 days, 12-14 hours a day.
asciilifeform: any stim worx by 'pressing gas pedal', this is later paid for.
mircea_popescu: it'd help more to sleep.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yes. When I am inbetween places to sleep for ~24 hours and need sleep it helps to be able to GET SOMETHING DONE.
mircea_popescu: you think ?
phf: well, as w burroughs demonstrated the problem is not dope, it's the lack of money to both buy dope and not have to shop to work the next day
asciilifeform: i think erdos never ate 100g even in his 75 yr working life ☟︎
asciilifeform: srsly, gabriel_laddel thinks 'hmm, i have problem, what is it, oh -- INSUFFICIENT METH'
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I was referring to cocaine / meth.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I have been a little busy to generate a new key in an unsecure manner. It is on "the list"
mircea_popescu: political history of lua / petro-brazil is a worthy pit to dig for the amateur cyber-historian of republican perspective.
mircea_popescu: phf yes, lua was build in-house by the brazillians trying to you know, be independent state.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'appledom' , though some folx seem to forget, in the words of jobs himself even, 'we shall take unfair advantage of the fact that we make the software AND THE HARDWARE'
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574925 < if I could find *actual* stims I'd be done with this idiot adventure already. ☝︎
trinque: mircea_popescu: I can see it, but then I think I'm supposed to be the customer ?
asciilifeform: it does not bother gabriel_laddel to be a ghost ? with no flesh ?
mircea_popescu: trinque he's trying for appledom.
asciilifeform: trinque: all else aside, i want to know where the d00d's PUBKEY is, and wtf he thinks he is doing without one.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: the only way to distribute software is as a full self-hosting linux that can generate livecds of itself.
mircea_popescu: jurov amusingly, lua actually DID realise mns in savings for petrobras. the authors however failed to capture any of it. ☟︎
trinque: where is the current vpatch ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:15 trinque: is climacs usable to this degree?
asciilifeform: the nazi subs are closer to working subs than clim+x11 is to lispm.
asciilifeform: before you disagree, consider, it is easier than fixing clim.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:13 asciilifeform: i currently have nfi what, if anything, he did other than bum around.
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574914 < I have my time wasted by people like Josh-I who will do everything... but something useful. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it is why gold rushes are destructive, they turn supposedly smart folk into drooling imbeciles
trinque: it is at least advisable to study the way others fell before you.
asciilifeform: but never applies the memory to himself when thinking 'i will make 10 mil selling proggy'
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that nearly every d00d knows, or has met, or heard of, some naive sov emigre who was CERTAIN that he could make ZILLIONS!!! selling... poetry. or balloons. or, or.
gabriel_laddel: jurov: if you don't understand how (common) lisp differs from tcl/tk you've missed the boat intellectually.
jurov: gabriel_laddel: i heard same claims about tcl/tk. but none seven digit figures happened there i know of
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i'd loot a lot more than 10s of mns if i found a way to reliably get people to do the things that need done rather than the sexy things they want to do BEFORE they are old enough for their active life to be mostly behind them. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: creating graphical applications 10-100x faster than the competition is immensely useful.
gabriel_laddel: I can prototype something in 727 loc on clim that blows them all out of the water.
gabriel_laddel: people have blown hundreds of millions trying to make a "gui builder" atop QT, the web, swing etc.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you've not seen the endgame for masamune yet.
asciilifeform: if gabriel_laddel wants 10mil for a proggy that segfaults, he oughta move to washington
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:15 asciilifeform: d00d suffers from the traditional disease of the 19yo 'night h4ck3r' , crippling tunnel vision
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574917 < I suffer from the disease of seeing 10s of millions of loot as reward for getting this working. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: and right now I'm generating the most minimal possible livecd so I can see wtf is going on / speed of generation.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yeah, will post in a few minutes. I am pretty sure that it is because a dependency that does not show up in lddtree --list is required.
asciilifeform: and btw nobody ever seems to remember that one can ~debug~ segfault
gabriel_laddel: x220 thinkpad.
gabriel_laddel: I am presently trying to figure out why X11 fails to launch (segfault) on my (self hosting) livecd.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 21:13 ben_vulpes: betcha that's exactly what gabriel_laddel did
mircea_popescu: and the kids see the discarded shoes and floating hats and decide THEY SHOULD DIG TOO
mircea_popescu: we are, intellectually speaking, in the bizarre situation of st. petersburg, a small town on the mississppi where for some bizarro enchantment reason all the boys decided the thing to do is dig up the river. and drowned there.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the problem here isn't a discrete technological product, be it a font or a bridge ; nor the dysfunctional process that produced it, be it a broken cnc mill or lucent ; but altogether something more fundamental, where young man looking to "go west" decides the west is at the bottom of the lake and proceeds to dig.
asciilifeform: to the point that i got my hands on a rom and pulled that font, and still have it somewhere. unfortunately unusable on any display that i have...
asciilifeform: and when i first saw screenshits of lispm, i was astonished at how readable the text was, on a box with ONE font in ONE size
asciilifeform: and each time it was an unpleasant and quite pointless ritual.
asciilifeform: not a single time that i bought a new panel with 2-3x the density of the old one, did i NOT have to change my emacs font
asciilifeform: incidentally 'scalable font' technology was imho a failure: ☟︎
asciilifeform: i always assumed that it is a thing folks do when they come of age and build 'the' machine they will work their working years on, to sit down and burn away the shitfonts, among other
mircea_popescu: but there was ONE FUCKING FRAKTUR.
mircea_popescu: yes mildest but very fucking illustrative. at least to my eyes, perhaps due to personal history.
asciilifeform: of all the plagues discussed in this thread, i'd say fonts are the mildest, it is at this very minute quite trivial to operate a machine with 2-3 fonts installed , with ~0 surgery ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's not even that they're broken in tech terms. this shit is broken culturally.
asciilifeform: spiration to future authors.'
asciilifeform: 'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too. It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is not so different from the problem of, eg, emacs. or plan9. or any software. or any fucking shop in a town, or a mall. why the fuck are there FIFTY fast food offering the same crap in the food court ?
mircea_popescu: so upon meditation, this becomes very much an application of the disaster of commons discussed in http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ : in order for fonts to be useful, they'd have to be few. however, because it's costly to enforce and the individual interest is missaligned, the result is... many.