asciilifeform: i just love it when some clinical idiot decides to make inferences from his derpitudinous youth involving elisp on x86 to actual lisp on actual iron built for it
asciilifeform: the ducks may have come from the trucks, but how now.
asciilifeform: like calling modern euroderps 'romans' (or even 'gauls', etc)
asciilifeform: this dignified the crud with name of a mostly honourable ancestor.
asciilifeform: problem (or not problem, depending on who you are) is that most cl work was and is done by 'naggum-like' figures - that is, behind closed doors, no public derping, no 'foss'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: tricky bit here. until rather recently (2009-ish) this was debatable (sparse ecosystems of publicly-available libraries in cl to deal with unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www)
asciilifeform: hell knows, people do odder things, to eat without having to slave.
asciilifeform: i still have no idea if he's an actual nutter or merely playing the part so he gets to eat.
asciilifeform: (which was nonsense, i stole it long, long ago from clifford simak's 'city.')
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he commented once, saying i must have stolen his name
asciilifeform: (his gizmo comes with a 'talk with god' proggy)
asciilifeform: once grasp this, the only thing left is instrument for maximizing - at the cost of burned orphanages of any and all kinds, dead puppies, kittens - abilities of individual man.
asciilifeform: the whole concept of vast galley of slaves, fungible, working on a massive codebase, is fundamentally braindamaged.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.)☟︎
asciilifeform: then again, world is full of bastard children and questionable wives, so perhaps similar.
asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')☟︎
asciilifeform: (or at least, having a very good friend who does)
asciilifeform: how can one even make, with any serious logical certainty, a statement like 'i have one bitcoin' without running a full node?
asciilifeform: 'thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system...' << winblows.
asciilifeform: (short version of 'the camel' - prospective 'comp sci' students were given tests on basic things, e.g., 'a = 1, b = 2, a + b = ?' - and they separated into 2 groups, ones who had correct answrs. or at least consistent misconceptions - and ones who did not. the latter - turned out, unsurprisingly, to be unteachable.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c is just the way average people abstract << if only. invited to reread the infamous 'the camel has two humps.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but three or four of his posts add up to a sort of treatise on perl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum never wrote a full anything, afaik, apart from 'a long and painful history of time'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this << naggum did.
asciilifeform: there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. <<<<<
asciilifeform: why, precisely, does it take four megs to render a tab filled with 1kb of ascii text?
asciilifeform: for no particular or identifiable reason.
asciilifeform: because won't fit in 64M of the machine in question
asciilifeform: and if built (miracle, hand-massaged bottle-fed libraries, etc) won't run.
asciilifeform: because modern111!1111 browser won't build there
asciilifeform: incidentally, the postel crap reminds me of the fountain through which the bulk of modern pc retardation flows forth: the web browser. as in, literally the only reason one cannot use os setup circa, e.g., 2001 (with a patch here & there)
asciilifeform: perfectly sane 2nd half is like a needle through which 1st clause is injected through your brain.
asciilifeform: 'be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send.'
asciilifeform: it's a little gibblet of dreary nonsense parroted in defense of the the kind of crap described earlier.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: familiar with 'postel's law' ?
asciilifeform: question instead is, what burns, what kind of exhaust gas
asciilifeform: somebody gets fucked, regardless, just like something had to burn to power my computer to write this (precious little fission or hydro where i live)
asciilifeform: because someone decided to be 'tolerant.'
asciilifeform: when you turn up one of these pieces of junk, on your desk, or worse yet, chained to it (yes, you bought one set - can buy another, what'll the crapolade be in the next gadget?) - it happens because other folks - lived with it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my turd, if it had a point, mainly had the point of - the grave harm of 'tolerance.'
