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phf: right,
trivial as specified, unrelated
to shooting self at foot
phf: i have a patch
that i'm working on
that might help
towards
that goal
phf: ben_vulpes: connect
to
these and only
these is a
trivial change, since
the logic all sits within 30 lines of code, but ^
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: so i will review, for
the benefit of non-panzers,
the current state
ben_vulpes: "fixed peering" as in "connect
to
these and only
these IPs"?
trinque: both work, but he's moving
to
that one
trinque: wait, strike
that, reverse it
trinque: I've seen mine on
that same site before, but no longer.
phf: i know mitutoyo, but
the joke doesn't quite work with a jp company. "honorable datskovskiy san received boxes 1
through 5 with replica card prints cut
to 0.1mm, 0.2mm, 0.3mm, 0.5mm and 0.7mm allowed error margins,
that mitutoyo san found presumptuous
to include with own humble compliments"
phf: card works as good as chinese caliper. cut
to GOST 7114-54 within +-0.7mm of allowed error margin.
trinque: pretty sad
that
today
that guy would be sued over
that interview.
trinque: I guess
this guy was oldfag 90s, figured I was
the candidate, and
that was more of an initiation rite
than filter
phf: asciilifeform: i feel like
that point is long past. i mean, in early 2000s you could get away with
that. now if person can produce code ~that you can actually use~ you hire
them on
the spot, make
them
the cto :D
trinque: asciilifeform:
the job was also in my wot
trinque: I said I was 19;
that's light abuse !
phf: trinque: did
they pay you for it? ;)
trinque: the code I produced ended up in
the actual product
trinque had a job which involved sniffing / mangling packets;
task
to get hired was
to write a parser for yahoo IM
trinque: so I know how
to shift a register, what
phf: asciilifeform: right, my point is
that
there are
two separate steps. "filter out" and
then "test skillz"
trinque: point is projects as evaluations rather
than
that kind of baseline shit
trinque: wouldn't it be more interesting
to give
them a problem
that implies
they know asm ? i.e.
there is a robotic arm in a factory, RISC processor, here are
the motions it should perform at
these intervals
trinque: guy screamed at me
the whole
time asking logic riddles
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 03:06 mircea_popescu: needless
to say
this produced "correct" responses
through
the insufferable avenue of missing out on
the problem.
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, hm. i've seen more
than one instance on
that. i see what you mean. it was basically a case of, from what i gathered, "data sent; waiting for response; not a single byte sent back by server". either because server wasn't
http, or some "hang forever, fucker" anti-DoS measure..
phf: it was helloworld, but randomized out of a hat. i
think it was a number
theoretical problem, like here's a property of a number, write a check for
that property
trinque: whether I can code without access
to *my* emacs
tells someone very little about what I can do with it
☟︎ phf: but
their screening was half hour collabedit and
the entirety of it was "here's a problem, now hack, ok half hour's up"
trinque: Framedragger: would've been interesting
to see if it was some kind of misconfigured long-polling HTTP situation or what
phf: one place (outsourced quants) brought out
three laptops and asked me which environment i prefered, i
thought
that was pretty classy. (they had a really wide range, because every
time someone said something obscure,
they'd put it on
the machine. like
the linux box had emacs, with a lot of package preloaded and reasonably configured, mac box had intellij and such)
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather see someone use
the editor
they already have set up
to attack problems in
the domain for which
they're under consideration for hiring
Framedragger: trinque: by default it shows how long it sits, but
that's about it, by default no headers etc
phf: ben_vulpes:
that's sop now. i sort of go for interviewes every month or so
to see what's out
there, etc. and
the past
two years i had a lot of
http://collabedit.com screenings
trinque: did it barf any headers before doing
that?
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: d'you know what
the default curl
timeout is offhand?
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: nice. re. curl
timeouts, yeah you need
them, otherwise it'll hand for a long
time on some of
those IPs (i saw
this) :)
ben_vulpes: someone once wanted me
to code in a google doc
trinque: hiring only works
through wot, formal or meat-implemented, and
the "I will create an arena and find humans" really only works well if
the whole society is
the arena.
trinque: "whore, your whole purpose here will be
to do
tricks"
phf: a shared online webpad bullshit
they get, "ssh into my box so you can have a sane editor"
they start freaking out
trinque: python went around claiming easy foar noob; you expect random python guy
to
think about what's happening at any level below "muh python code" ?
phf: one guy ("10 years of unix experience") canceled
the screening because i
told him he'll have
to ssh into a shared screen and i'll ask him some questions
phf: literally nobody can
tell me what
the potential downsides of `for i in xrange(1000000): a += "foo"` are
phf: i've been asking people
to implement StringIO/StringBuilder/string-output-stream pattern. my original
thinking was
that while
totally self contained problem it's a nice segue into gc, memory/runtime
tradeoffs,
threading, etc. just a baseline "are we on
the same page" phone screening. i've went
through about 35 "send us your resume" people and none of
them could do it :o
mircea_popescu: well
the idiocy of wall lite needs no further expounding.
mircea_popescu: as in eg, king has seven sons, who shall inherit
the
throne.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 17:28 mircea_popescu:
there are a number of reasons for
this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product,
this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are
the equivalent of a "well behaved wife".
tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week
to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 02:37 mircea_popescu: but what i specifically
take issue with is
the claim
that "There is no clear way in any languages". what
the heck ?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580179 << goes back
to
tmsr compiling
things. instead of
the obvious conclusion "most applicants don't know how
to program and most interviewers don't know how
to interview" you get insanity "this problem is a special problem!!1"
☝︎ ben_vulpes: no i get it, your
turbine sees a lot of flow, and has an efficiency of less
than one percent