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phf: erlehmann: yes, but with two clarifications. i specifically don't think that "something", that one could be part of, is actually happening when it comes to "race" at the moment. (i might find out otherwise years from now, but it would be totally unrelated to the public conversation that's happening right now)
asciilifeform: witness the chinese folx in africa -- they do no such thing, first thing they do is to put up a perimeter of barbed wire, mine field, and interlocking sectors of fire. and ain't nobody darker than proverbial paper bag, permitted inside, ever again.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Don't feel bad. The Boers can't hire gardeners anymore either due to Obama-cares http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179171/Walkerville-family-murders-Horrific-death-boy-12-drowned-boiling-water-robbers-raped-mother.html
mircea_popescu: i don't mean weird as in bad. i mean weird as in alien.
mircea_popescu: and didn't they smell weird ?
erlehmann: i don't get racist propaganda. if there is really nothing better holding people together than race, that seems like a very low common denominator.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i dare say it couldn't have been said smoother-er.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
mircea_popescu: "if i can't get one to be mine in private, maybe we could get them to be ours as a group ???"
BingoBoingo: Apparently the elliots think Whitey can't get a date?
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't clear that there was anything physically wrong with elliot ( aside from being, by his account, a very short and thin d00d )
mircea_popescu: phf> but that's why you don't try and build an army out of your gay buddies. << but i saw it in that film about us cowboys dressed in skirts!
phf: but that's why you don't try and build an army out of your gay buddies.
asciilifeform: phf: what a misfortunate d00d, he was, couldn't get a proper kaishakunin, it took, what , 5 whacks to drop his head
mircea_popescu: isn't this whole "shit black chicks say" or w/e meme done to death already ?
phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: At least you aren't an alf getting out of own lawn
mircea_popescu: to be honest, back when the fucktards were like "o hi guise, i am 12 and expert, never heard of wot but i made this keybase", i was all pissy because of the whole "i have never heard". now that they do the "oh i know tmsr is my true and proper sovereign, but might i not talk my way out of it ? i'm really clever like, plus i use words i can't define borrowed from an old copy of wikimedica" i'm pissy because of the whole clever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on other hand, the fact that a wot is a local object ( and doesn't 'decentralize' ) is not necessarily obvious, even to thinking folx
mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors. ☟︎
sn0wmonster: is there a technical reason why it hasn't been built yet?
mircea_popescu: your wheel ain't a wheel.
sn0wmonster: if not, i don't see how i'm reinventing the wheel by building that part of it.
mircea_popescu: nanotube was going to fix it cca 2015. didn't happen then or hence.
BingoBoingo: Aha, easier to pretend they didn't want the dollars they don't have in the first place
mircea_popescu: cuz they can't afford the "pro dommes"
trinque: looks like freenode isn't having a great day
mircea_popescu: just said in case you didn't know / cared.
mircea_popescu: riverboats don't, though
mircea_popescu: dont worry, it didn't really happen
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't do anything, then you get.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-19 16:51 asciilifeform: 'take this magic pill' -- sells. 'go eat nagant, you were a mistake of nature' -- doesn't
asciilifeform: well it doesn't. just like my garbage bags won't walk to the dump by themselves, even if asked politely.
asciilifeform: 'take this magic pill' -- sells. 'go eat nagant, you were a mistake of nature' -- doesn't ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( see also mircea_popescu's '...bullying is done by normal, sane and upstanding humans who are trying to do their part so we don't live among monsters' -- http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes )
mircea_popescu: of course they won't, but reality is not part of the lincoln thought process. as alf says, studiously not.
asciilifeform: phf: also at a certain point 'they don't know about tmsr' evaporates and turns into 'they studiously ignore, like bernstein'
phf: "i know a good UDP joke, but i don't think you'll get it"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, among the ethermonkeys, 'they have messy code paths, don't follow best practices, and happen to work by the skin of their teeth. The code works on a good day with the wind on its back. But when it comes to corner cases, things get awfully complex. In the course I teach, when I point out such situations to students, they go into a diatribe that goes "well, you see, the problem can't arise because for it to happen, A has to
mircea_popescu: (and then act surprised when you don't follow!)
asciilifeform: wasn't half the point of the syria thing, from lizard pov, to test current ru equipment ..?
shinohai: I had one of these: http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/271259-American-Power-Conversion-P11VNT3?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&st-t=googleshopping-accessories&vt-k=&vt-mt=&vt-pti=271259&gclid=CjwKEAjw7J3KBRCxv93Q3KSukXQSJADzFzVSROXPxzL4bKeiiY_PGHPZyPoqaTvvhA5rVq9J58JvhBoCcGXw_wcB
shinohai curses the surge protector that didn't do it's job
shinohai: HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
a111: Logged on 2017-06-18 23:30 asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term
mircea_popescu: eater of linoleum + soda water CAN'T walk, want to or no.
asciilifeform: don't forget not-walking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting up from the terminal on occasion is good for people, it is one of the reasons asciilifeform doesn't hurry to automate various chores
asciilifeform: and realized, while doing this, that in fact you don't need 2k+2 bits for the karatsuba intermediates, you can do instead of (x0+x1)*(y0+y1) , (x0-x1)*(y0-y1), and then you don't need to propagate carries, but only take absolutevalue and xor the borrows to see if gotta invert the resulting term ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india. << McDonalds or not, Beetus tends to run strong in Indian populations. Perhaps cow-ban is in response to earlier Mc-Hamplanet crisis on subcontinent?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the discussion has uncovered why exactly it is my bristles stand up. it'd be one thing if a sane place with a sane culture with respectable people churned out a "hey, chick didn't get married because the cups lolz" thing. THEN it would be funny.
asciilifeform: turns out steel ain't enough, you also need to give half a shit
asciilifeform: by and large, india today ain't exporting the j.c.bose's, no.
mircea_popescu: doesn't it ?
diana_coman: sure; just that you don't claim *in writing* that it didn't work, lel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they didn't have the tech to produce mcdonalds princesses in 1100 india.
mircea_popescu: nah cuz the vessel comes with a seal (and yes, the inspiration for babylonian trade, the seals, and amphorae was DEFINITELY the cunt). you can claim it wasn't tried or that it didn't work, these aren't confoundable.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah prolly. i just don't like it.
diana_coman: I can't say I studied the time+culture of the guy to know, perhaps mircea_popescu knows better what he is talking about; it sounds really highly unlikely to me that it was the case that woman could just go and fuck, hurray, but whatevers
mircea_popescu: it's annoying to high heavens. it's one thing to show up at your wedding and go "what a great day for a wedding, let's have two!" and force your first maid into marriage with some randomlty chosen guy. it's the same thing to say "fuck this shit, i don't feel like getting married today, go home all of youze".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman indians tho, these aren't wanna-be anglo muslims.
diana_coman: so if they were impressed it follows it wasn't normal? lolz
mircea_popescu: and no, there isn't "always someone better". rather, there's always a best.
mircea_popescu: he ain't gonna say that. true or not true, he's not saying it.
pete_dushenski: david siegel doesn't provide any reasons why wealthy people want to be poor like him and his readers because he doesn't need to. neither he nor his readers can imagine anyone that doesn't want to be on the forefront of the cryptocurrency revolution JUST LIKE THEM
BingoBoingo: clover's not so aggressive weeds can't grow through it and it is on the kill list of all the selective weed killers
asciilifeform: didn't fly
shinohai: Don't like to mow? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SJEUFF4/ref=asc_df_B00SJEUFF45034810/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B00SJEUFF4&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167146984279&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5746195614524956660&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=21164&hvlocphy=9010851&hvtargid=pla-308200867139
asciilifeform: i ain't doing this weekly.
asciilifeform: would , but won't satisfy city hall's 'max length'
asciilifeform: the petrol-engined things, aside from vibration ( can't use my hands for day+ after ) and acrid smoke , also made of shit, i've thrown out 2 (after attempting various orc repairs, cleaned carb etc) in frustration
mircea_popescu: you can get laid at any bar. you can't ghet decent help anywhere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't live in 'green hell' where ~100% humidity and 40c
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: not if you let it go for ~year << That isn't mowing. That is harvesting hay. Hope the crop was dry.
asciilifeform: karatsuba et al weren't even working with computers. but wrestling with question of how much, abstractly, work, does multiplication per se entail.
mircea_popescu: but yes alf is correct i did base 10 for convenience because most people don't have base 2 mult table loaded in head so dunno what 110 * 101 is
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if it weren't obvious, k = 16 << this seems to make sense
asciilifeform: if it weren't obvious, k = 16
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121. << what I can't figure out is where the part: + 2 comes from.
asciilifeform: using k.algo ( you wouldn't, in life, but principle remains same )
mod6: i haven't groked it yet.
m0n0lake: i don't need no voice , thanks shinohai
mod6: I guess, it doesn't cover karatsuba specifically, but gives some background perhaps for the uninitiated.
asciilifeform: couldn't source a set of lcd glasses that had usefully high switching speed.
asciilifeform: adding random noise -- 'i'll look in the box after T nsec, with T uniform random quantity..' most interestingly does NOT work
mircea_popescu: which, as i told sina, certainly fixes something : it makes it so that common people can't spy, but nsa still can.
asciilifeform: diff with diff if you can't with eyes
asciilifeform: ( at one point i derived how to do ~fixed-joules~ rsa, and it is in the logs, but needs peculiar silicon, don't expect one yet )
asciilifeform: our machine ain't bit-discrete tho and so it needs M+1 machine words
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it.
asciilifeform: it ain't even about the monitors, but re the poettering's attempts to import the 'desktop' idiocy into linux
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 04:05 phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671355 << can't speak for other folx, i run in '0 stealing focus' mode ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but obviously, they don't even know it's a matter of "the", smoking own cock as per usual with the ustards.
phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
sina: if you trust the software you can mitigate with whatever sandbox and if you don't then you need hw compartments, different issue
phf: so any wayland app that has access to your wayland session by the obvious implications can do the obvious thing: gpg encrypt all your files, steal all your passwords, and send compromising emails to all your friends, because as should be obvious that app has access to everything else you have access too oh my fucking god the level of retardation i can't even.
phf: those clients are isolated, in one case by machine, in the other case by unix isolation, and can't do the obvious thing, that is read the memory of your password requesting process directly
sina: phf: ok that is pretty interesting and I didn't know