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mircea_popescu: and in other argentine wtf, /me felt like putting some of the grandiose coffee available here to good use as coffee liqueur. sent girl to farmacy, where she bought 1 liter bottle of pure ethylic alcohol (98%). for like 6 bux. it's fabulous, tastes mildly of corn.
mircea_popescu: lol this is like cinderella on monkey island already ; they keep bringing her all sorts of offerings. "boogers ?" "how about some feces ?" "dried feces from yesterday ?" "how about this corn kernel" "ok how about dead molluscs"
thestringpuller: because whitewashing security is the only way to make people have trust these days?
trinque: Teechan is similar in design to the Lightning Network, save for one crucial differentiating factor: it leverages trusted execution environments (TEEs), that is, secure hardware components found in recent commodity processors such as the latest batch of Intel CPUs with Software Guard Extensions (SGX). << why the fuck even bother talking about this
asciilifeform: iirc this is what they moved mike hearn to
asciilifeform: ah that
thestringpuller: depends on how much dope you've smoked today
asciilifeform: do i even want to know
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Emin is pushing SGX like solutions. Seems everyone is infected with security theatre these days. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, it'd seem iris fs took over the disks meanwhile, who knew.
mircea_popescu: one thing at a time!
asciilifeform: unlike the db switch
asciilifeform: it's trivial to implement though.
mircea_popescu: yes but that's a later phase of this.
asciilifeform: no partition table or anything.
asciilifeform: btw the blocks themselves really would like to live on own disk
mircea_popescu: also the issue of performance discussed by dave chinner is worthy of consideration (in trinque 's link)
mircea_popescu: hey, if xfs works all teh better.
mircea_popescu: impressive. alrighty then
mircea_popescu: trinque ah, you can recompile with flag and it makes them 64 ?
trinque: that was not the claim at all; read the link
asciilifeform: afaik there is ~no~ fs that gives 'as many of ANYTHING as disk will hold'
trinque: the xfs limit is iirc defined as "how much disk space do you want to use for them"
asciilifeform: so it'd appear that there is no suitable fs in common use.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 07:32 jurov: also, there is limit of 2^32 inodes, even in 64-bit mode
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588254 << reiser doesn't use inodes, but iirc also limited to (2^32)-1 ~files~ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (for the record, in practice the utility of prepared statements is often nil, and can be mostly captured through saying eg insert in x values y, values z rather than insert in x values y, insert in x values z. literally the whole benefit is that it compiles the part prior to values just once.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 07:35 jurov: and to give my 2c also on sql, while it's possible to use some portable standardized ansi sql subset, essential stuff like prepared queries need a database driver
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 07:32 jurov: also, there is limit of 2^32 inodes, even in 64-bit mode
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588254 << can this be rewritten ? not that we're liable to have over 4bn txn at any point, but more of the principle of the thing "fuck you and your fucking magic numbers. if i run 64bit processors i'll run 64bit disks also motherfuckers!" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, people think this. as per http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/ ; the whole unwashed orc hordes of the third world actually believe there's something to usgistan.
mircea_popescu: shinohai chick's from like 2009, what do you want. she gets 2 or 3 btc for teh dollar.
mircea_popescu: (while the store-by-hash txn scheme promises at most 256 directories OR 65536 files however in practice finding 65536 contiguous hash txn seems rather unlikely for a while yet)
mircea_popescu: intuitively though i think blocks should be stored by height.
mircea_popescu: unless you want to store them by hash, in which case of course it's at most 65 chars, though because of difficulty i expect it should be made 40 or less
mircea_popescu: jurov in principle the address of a block is something like /44/4600 for the latest, so 2char dir + 4 char name
mircea_popescu: "¿Sabes algo sobre Bitcoin?" "Se que es una especie de almacenamiento de dinero virtual , que por un dólar te dan 2 o 3 bitcoins o algo así , que básicamente se usa para comprar online y conseguir descuentos creo"
shinohai passes trinque some coffee [~]D
trinque: ben_vulpes: wooo! I'll test that soon as I have coffee in hand.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Uoyyb/?raw=true
davout: ben_vulpes: what's the sqlator?
shinohai reads the giant logz
shinohai: neato ben_vulpes (on the lisp V)
ben_vulpes: from 340 lines down to 224.
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform, trinque, phf, mircea_popescu, and anyone else tracking vtronic gnashing: i dusted off and rewrote my cl V implementation. i'll follow up sometime tomorrow with more demo usage, and a more robust demonstration of wot-variant pressing. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/juTpM/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: in re graphite, "meaningfully stand behind their Q" perhaps?
ben_vulpes: jurov: sql just falls out of "i shall make tmsr a block explorer", no more, no less.
ben_vulpes: dun worry, no such is on the table
jurov: to introduce it into trb would, in my understanding, would make folks apoplectic
jurov: and to give my 2c also on sql, while it's possible to use some portable standardized ansi sql subset, essential stuff like prepared queries need a database driver ☟︎
jurov: also, there is limit of 2^32 inodes, even in 64-bit mode ☟︎☟︎
jurov: not sure how to shovel tx/block id into 60 bytes
jurov: mircea_popescu: ext4 has 256Binodes, and "The target of a symbolic link will be stored in inode if the target string is less than 60 bytes long."
ben_vulpes: a few minutes of thinking while working on something related did clear this up for ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: moreover if you say press kimkardassian and it says "failed - parishilton not found" then it is somewhat likely you forgot to sign blondy.
mircea_popescu: but how do you get there in the first place.
ben_vulpes: without a flow that renders all patches. but fine
ben_vulpes: i expect it to be a royal pain to run down "which patch is missing sigs and breaking the flow from genesis to whatever"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588097 << dun sweat it mod6 ! tomorrow is another friday! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: should it also show you the contents of your catpics folder, in case maybe you wanted to do some clicking ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:38 ben_vulpes: but if it doesn't show me which patches are lacking sigs, that strikes me as a bug.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588093 << why the fuck. if they're lacking sigs they're not even patches. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:34 mod6: the printable flow, is the same as the pressable flow.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:32 mod6: you will, you must, have everything signed for it to show up in a pressable flow.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:28 mod6: it sounds like everyone wants instead, a general overhaul to get to the 'wot variant press' instead, which would also fix the bug, because these vpatches, without a corresponding seal, would simply be ignored.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:12 trinque: does it matter or not who signed?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588010 << i can't grok what the dispute is here. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 12:09 mircea_popescu: but i can see why this is practically obnoxious.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:04 ben_vulpes: and sure, if .wot is the empty set, return true ;)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1587985 << lol holy shit sherlock. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583928 with bells and whistles. how about it simply fails to start if .wot is empty. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 01:59 phf: well, since collective reaction is "tis but a scratch" i have nothing else to say, and will happily await mircea_popescu's unrate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1587972 << it's altogether unclear where did you get this "celebrated is its ability to support a scientific dialog" ; got a link or something ? seems more the case what was celebrated was its ability to put a wrench through imperial-style "scientific dialog" where "we dindu nuttin wrong". ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the dirty Pascal panties!
ben_vulpes: someone else entertain the man
mircea_popescu: barely-compiling c isn't good enough for us. oh, no, mommy i need my special asm skirt for THIS sql stuff!
ben_vulpes: it's a very special haskellian snowflake that makes it so i don't have to think about that so nyah
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm going to need that gas mask
ben_vulpes: they're barely-compiling c tools in unix land
mircea_popescu: in practice i'm in two waters about it, wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing catches fire.
ben_vulpes: that is a very liberal use of the acronym
mircea_popescu: in theory the above should be uberefficient sqling of a blockchain
ben_vulpes: surely a symlink wouldn't eat more than a few bytes now would it
mircea_popescu: profile seek times, whatevs reasonable testage once the artefact's prepared.
mircea_popescu: aaaanyway. mimi's in a fine position to try this out, attach old drive, write script to spit them out as per schema, see what occurs.
mircea_popescu: obv you can't store infinite data in finite hard drive, i came to terms with that
mircea_popescu: well infinite here means "to fill the disk".
ben_vulpes: fill, sure. but an /infinite number/ thereof?
mircea_popescu: more importantly, why is this not ~exactly~ like saying "doh, of course you can't fill a drive with text files". dude what.
ben_vulpes: because every open source anything i've ever touched has failed in precisely these sorts of extreme use cases
mircea_popescu: afaik this is entirely unwalked ground, for all the foss bs about million eyes.
mircea_popescu: and b) wtf happens once you load a drive with this nuttery.
mircea_popescu: ok so a) gotta see if ext2 / ext4 CAN EVEN HOLD this many symlinks. like, at all. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: sure yeah, i remember the design pretty well
mircea_popescu: this way you don't actually have to ~index~ anything, if you wish to see where txn 1234567890 was included in a block, you go to /12/34/56/7890 which points to block x ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: you'd end up with (as proposed there) a directory tree like 20 layers deep, with thousands of symlinks in each.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:48 mircea_popescu: and there's symlinks if anyone wants to alias.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the bright idea was http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481832 and the test needed is to check wtf happens if you symlink the txn to the block tree ☝︎
ben_vulpes: chiptune christmas, if you want to give any olds a migrane
BingoBoingo: Eggog dirges are the sound of the season.