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asciilifeform: yes but you don't purersa with it.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem. i got power.
mircea_popescu: some things, could be had but aren't ; other things can't be had so we don't have them. what can you do.
mircea_popescu: and i don't have a slave that eats jam and shits whole prunes. NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE is the controlling bit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they can't afford to not fork-on-secrets
asciilifeform: it doesn't do same thing tho
mircea_popescu: if you can't buy btc for cash you aren't a person. that is the minimum bar of personhood.
mircea_popescu: how come you didn't have that there -- have it here ?
mircea_popescu: oh, "at least" huh ? i thought this at least didn't figure in your books in earlier discussion re correct move.
asciilifeform: at least paris didn't get, e.g., nuked.
mircea_popescu: problem is -- people don't know how to commit. (naked, bitch! so what if people can see your perecious cuntlet ?). and when.
mircea_popescu: germany's problem was sparta's problem -- all the raw materials in the world can't make another spartan.
mircea_popescu: all the aryans making up 55% of the us 120mn weren't gonna come back to berlin and man stalingrad wells.
mircea_popescu: i don;'t follow ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a whole thing, "oh, PRESERVE HIS DRUNKEN TWEETS" << Herr Tritler doesn't drink
mircea_popescu: and also, this fucking car goes where i say it goes, not where you say it goes. and if you don't like it you're getting shot.
mircea_popescu: i didn't let my security ppl follow me around all the time.
asciilifeform: iirc he tried 'not let', it didn't quite work
trinque: in that, I can't dislike him *that* much
trinque: ah don't worry; Rick Perry has it under control.
BingoBoingo: ^ Pulling over to make phone call like you aren't a suicidal psycho bitch, nao suspicious
asciilifeform: hey, it's a hose from the stable's piss trough -- but at least it doesn't block !!
mircea_popescu: which is very patently there, they doin't know it, but biology dun care.
mircea_popescu: even with women that were orphans, or didn't talk to their mothers in years.
mircea_popescu: i'll say this much : that never in my history, with ANY woman, was it the case the mother didn't go some variant of apeshit and i repressed her into irrelevancy.
mircea_popescu: you can't simply walk away / pretend it's not your problem. it is your problem.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-28#1675914 << and you didn't stop ?! ☝︎
mod6: i don't use emacs or clisp or anything like that.
mod6: sina: naw, don't like python.
sina: mod6: haha I just remembered I was reading logs yesterday and found one line where you said you don't like python :P
shinohai: I can assure you that pic isn't sanctioned by the vatican at all
mircea_popescu: well, no gps here so can't help you
sina: don't think so
sina: whoever wrote it didn't suck like WannaCry authors and implemented lateral movement
asciilifeform: 'that ain't another pigeon, idiot , it's yerself'
mircea_popescu: i don't want to grind myself by the measure of some 9.60 an hour mexicans in a kitchen somewhere.
mircea_popescu: see, because if she is too slow, i don't just SAY she's too slow. she fixes it. and if she dun fix it fast enough i got whips to help along. what's the gps do ? it doesn't afford you any agency towards the pizzeria. yet you're wartching. so what do you do ? you turn inward, educate ~yourself~.
sina: we aren't all rich Romanians with slavegirls ok
sina: the pizza doesn't even exist, you just say "yo, make pizza" and flour assembles itself into dough, tomatos become paste, basil grinds itself
mircea_popescu: it can work, depending, but it doesn't work by itself, it has to be a very strictly examioned thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-28 02:04 sina: you can't replay timestamps outside of a certain window +/- 0.5s or something?
mircea_popescu: not "it won't work" but rather "will it be worth working"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, damn. is the point to prove to B that A holds A's key at time t? i feel dumb
asciilifeform: we don't ntp
sina: asciilifeform: if the challenges are being broadcast by the lighthouse in the clear, and all the peers are storing N of them, can't evilguy X just encrypt all of them?
sina: mircea_popescu: while I appreciate the validty of issues about sessions, challenge/response dictates there must be something akin to a session, even if that isn't the most precisely fitting term
Framedragger: also lighthouse concept didn't get properly included in spec because it's probably not yet finished, ha
mircea_popescu: there's no peer discovery as a gossipd function ; at all times it knows already all the peers it will ever know. in lawyer speak this is called "never ask a question you don't know the answer to." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you know, the lighthouse idea, while an idea, didn't actually get included.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i fucking can't reckon right now why output of lighthouse has to be unpredictable. damn it :D *if* all packets are signed with peer keys that receiving peer already has, timestamp with defined validity window would avoid replay... (http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119045)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-28 01:45 Framedragger: sina: fwiw (he can speak for himself but to save you time), asciilifeform does not like sessions [ever|anymore], and considers them ugly beasts which won't have a place in his gossipd bed
Framedragger: sina: right, re future, i didn't make sense there
sina: also I can't see how the model can be *completely* stateless, there will always be some kind of minimal session which is "hi, I'm A" followed by a response tailored to A
sina: you can't replay timestamps outside of a certain window +/- 0.5s or something? ☟︎
sina: but why can't A just sign any random bytes? why does it need to come from the lighthouse?
Framedragger: sina: fwiw (he can speak for himself but to save you time), asciilifeform does not like sessions [ever|anymore], and considers them ugly beasts which won't have a place in his gossipd bed ☟︎
Framedragger: i even raised a (nonsensical) "but-t-t time complexiti!" concern re this
Framedragger: asciilifeform: sure, but (plz don't vomit from use of keyword) there should be a way to onion-rsa them, too (A encrypts to C's key, then encrypts to B's key and tells B to relay to C which is currently offline, or w/e)
Framedragger: intermediary peers won't be able to decrypt message in the latter model, asciilifeform
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 New makefiles test went smooth ... If you aren't head-banging over Ada I have question regarding Vim setup when you have time.
phf: my setup is so "modern" that i can't really worry about permanence
mod6: those maltron boards look nice. i didn't get one because it's nearly 2x as much as the kinesis.. and had no idea if i could even get used to the concave thing.
mod6: <+phf> has builtin trackball even, in the right place << this would be handy. mine doesn't have this. having to take my hands off the board gets annoying.
phf: it's because their own design, "maltron switches". sometimes it's an option on those "mechanical keyboard" sites, so i wouldn't be surprised if the switches are good
phf: in fact i think i'm going to rip out some of the messier linked lists etc. management parts and simply wire in shiva. obviously wouldn't want to use it in the field, but mostly as a thing in itself
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674678 << mine was written in cweb, i.e. the literate programming thing for c. i haven't finished it, but i got bogged on configuration management. ☝︎
phf: i actually like advantage, but it encourages chording, which you hate. those rubber f-keys definitely don't help, but after a while that extra travel time to f-keys gets annoying anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway. cocaine is one of those items that don't produice leftovers. party will expand until all available consumed.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev << Well less ev if you get minesweeper at garage sale for 1/10th retail because initial purchaser realized -ev
mircea_popescu: esp considering they doin't want them back
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing << milligrams isn't a market, its retail
mircea_popescu: i don't even fucking take coins.
mircea_popescu: i thought you didn't think that mattered
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev
asciilifeform: again, plenty of 'honest cunning' among the us folx. but you won't read of it in the beobachter reddit, no.
mircea_popescu: consumers, dude. they're willing to say some magic incantations / "use the juice", but they ain't fucking willing to not use the post office.
mircea_popescu: money doesn't need anyone to understand what it's doing.
mircea_popescu: maybe. it doesn't matter : items must increase their market circulation. wife of socialist -> whore ; factory of socialist -> scrap iron, etcetera.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that, e.g., the mit theft, involved any guile or initiative -- is simply the idiot inheritors disassembling their father's house
Framedragger: yeah i guess that's a nice thing with deedbot, it doesn't need secret key for most of the stuff incl. challenges..
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675118 << isn't deciphering a challenge an instance of a secret key op? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting the "unhappened" to at least know there's a name for it can't hurty anything
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with that eval is that you don't know until after they aren't worth the pearls.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:45 mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows.
pete_dushenski: "Volvo Australia's technical manager David Pickett told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) on Saturday that his company has been trying to solve the issue for 18 months. He said the way a kangaroo moves completely bamboozles the system -- a problem they haven't had with other animals around the world."
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:50 asciilifeform: arbitrary 'don't report the answer for T units of time' doesn't work, because you have no hard assurance of no spill.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674809 << it does work, but at glacial speeds unfit for messaging. eg, !!v won't spill out of minutes-long windows. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674709 << it's not clear to me what he means by session ; might be some internal-only thing (eg, lifetime of particular sig) which isn't breaking. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 00:57 asciilifeform: sina: one of the things gossipd needs is a constant-time-constant-space rsa. if you don't have one, enemy can derive your privkeys remotely based on timing.
mircea_popescu: coding without v and without #t. how do they do it, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 20:07 asciilifeform: from earlier, lulz, 'In April 2017, an unexpected and disruptive change was made to the MIT network: the sale of historically MIT-allocated IP address ranges to external entities such as Amazon. The sale wasn't announced to the MIT community until after it had taken effect. '
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 asciilifeform: 'Ever since IS&T started to undergo "The Transformation", there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt to change Computing at MIT for the worse. Services that have been relied on for years have been discontinued and turned down, frequently without notice. Infrastructure critical to running MIT has been outsourced to cloud services during "emergency maintenance". Most of these changes had minimal impact on students and faculty,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why i said to d00d, 'don't be disheartened '
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./ ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: tis true. bigots = fixated people with beards you couldn't convince of your reasonable position, such as "the rabid dog doesn't bite" on the grounds of it not having bit yet, or "marrying your first cousin is fine" on the basis of hey, cunt that doesn't scare me! ☟︎
asciilifeform: it doesn't matter what they are connected with.