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Framedragger: it seems
that
tor main folx were banned from presenting at CCC
this year (it's
tradition
that
they normally do it every year), allegedly due
to
the appelbaum debacle..
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i r guess in some cases
trilema
titles are
too
trite.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if it got retracted -- print retraction. <<
Twas a dupe
ben_vulpes: i feel a great disturbance in
the force, as
though a
thousand seo experts were suddenly rousted from sweet slumber
ben_vulpes: !~google
the problem of
too much money
mircea_popescu: !~google Slavery :
the best
thing for you. No, seriously.
ben_vulpes: at
this rate
the kids will actually stop using google, as it doesn't show porn, point
them
towards pirated content or you know actually work at all anymore
ben_vulpes: in oooother lols, at least bing puts
trilema on
the first page of results when i search by article
title
ben_vulpes: well i can't seem
to get it
to and now we have
a111: Logged on 2016-12-25 21:49 ben_vulpes: it is a small but worth-noting difference between "put yer patches in
this here directory, your signatures in
this other, and your pubkeys in
this
third".
mod6: lol,
that kid in
the background is really happy
to be
there.
mod6: just workin on
these v changes
mod6: good! it warmed back up and we had a
thunderstorm lastnight. crazy.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you're going
towards
the republican dns / unified name registry
thing
☟︎ deedbot: shinohai updated rating of diana_coman from 1
to 2 << Eulora
trades always fair and fortunate.
jurov: that's up
to you how you normalize it. i see
three levels -
the public key itself (N), any additional information needed
to verify signatures (e), and everything else
Framedragger: i guess one may have a database of keys, as well as a
table of signed-with-key nicknames which establish someone claiming a nickname for key? sort of gns. alternative scheme is
to have any kind of aliasing be local, as per gossipd. less convenient for
things like looking up nickname in wot.deedbot.org of course.
Framedragger: thanks for clarifying... so
then it's just
the same key. and
things like 'IP of
this key' really is a separate matter. (it was put into gpg user field as a matter of convenience of course.) should have been obvious...
jurov: to say it from another angle, you don't (and can't) have persons in
the database. it's all just a key with some
tags attached, not
the other way around
Framedragger: right.. "it's
the same person, for our purposes."
Framedragger: with regards
to keyserver, my use of
them makes me biased in
the sense of
thinking of keys as necessarily having user IDs in
them. "key has some particular holder". not really
the case i guess :)
jurov: I hope
the answer
to "two distinct people in wot having
the same N" is clear.
Framedragger: but you're right, i suppose i have ornithology in mind here, which is not relevant.
that's a separate
thing, really. it's exactly an observation which shows an association (key <-> holder at some point in
time).
Framedragger: original query re permalinks for WoT keys was a practical use case of being able
to point someone
to a key in WoT
jurov: i was
thinking we're in keyserver context, not ^
this
jurov: you surely know at least
this
jurov: and what are you actually building here? what is
the cause?
to make ornithological observations "this key was spotted at address X at
time Y" or something?
Framedragger: all
this while acknowledging
that if you have same N, you have, *for practical purposes*, same key. but maybe i've messed it up in my head.
Framedragger: if fingerprint == N, it cannot distinguish between different referents, so
to speak
Framedragger: well. for one, it's nice if you can distinguish between different keyholders, no? in
the particular case of ssh-rsa keys, "which ip used
this key?"
Framedragger: but
then again, perhaps in
tmsr-semantics, it *is*
the same key :)
Framedragger: iirc 'user' field was needed as multiple different keys belonging
to different users may have same N
jurov: have you considered using N alone as
the ID? or it's impractically long?
Framedragger: (one more note, even if alf or sb protests use of particular hashing func for fingerprint scheme,
the fact of
the matter is
that one does kind of require for a universal fingerprinting scheme
to exist.)
mircea_popescu: ie, if P uses 8 boolean flags and 31 one byte settings
then e can be a 32 byte value
mircea_popescu: in principle
the e, N part can be arbitrarily lengthy, with
the semantizating convention
that "e" represents "settings" and N represents "values". should be perfectly possible
to describe any future key in
these
terms irrespective of cryptosystem.
Framedragger: (well,
the scheme as proposed does use a particular hashing func (sha256), so
that part is contestable i suppose.)
Framedragger: in P, alf wants
to have hashing func etc be defined within
the key itself. but maybe all
that is not relevant for
the purposes of a universal fingerprint scheme.
Framedragger: quite! i'd say it's flexible and elegant (in
terms of minimal complexity) enough
mircea_popescu: (if "userstring" is redefined
to be for eg "a";"b" items nothing breaks.)
mircea_popescu: would work. moreover
the scheme is flexible enough
to allow for later extension
Framedragger: imho hash format makes sense - it's just modulus and arbitrary 'user' field. dunno if it's still wanted
to just have e,N,comment but if so, comment could be userstring in
terms of mapping fingerprints
to new rsa format.
trinque: asciilifeform: will
this hash format be something meaningful once folks switch
to using P for RSA ?
trinque: could as easily switch
to asciilifeform's hashing scheme. is it described somewhere?
mircea_popescu: note
that because of alf's more complex hashing scheme you actually get closer
to "permanent" urls
than
the imperial key servers can get.
phf: it follows
the existing naming convention of
thing-genesis with "genesis" reserved for
trb
shinohai: BingoBoingo:
the
text is
the same as
the article I submitted earlier?
mircea_popescu imagined everyone knows about
that owing
to his constant usage.
Framedragger: i mean, a way
to request full public key, with some stable/deterministic permalink url format.
Framedragger: is
there a
tmsr keyserver, in
the sense of one being able
to link
to a gpg fingerprint known
to WoT, as a permalink?