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asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true. ☟︎
Framedragger: (tl;dr right now, scriba only submits to archive.is (with no local retention of requested site); the "did archive.is actually accept the submission" check has been improved, and can be used via the `!$ getarchive` command. local retention should take place eventually though, imo.) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd
pete_dushenski is more enthralled with japanese culture by the day. intends to construct a house (and garage) stocked with their finest products.
phf: pete_dushenski: just the linked appendix, rest requires even more entomological equipment.. :p
pete_dushenski: phf: aha cheers. saw the link but didn't read the gwern piece. will now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason it's a tree is ~because we say so~, not because in and of itself it ~is~. there's no way for a pile of code to be a tree outside of the will of the people writing code.
mircea_popescu: adlai yes, in that formulation it could be linked to the antecedent-in-file thread.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 13:42 mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of nothing in particular, everyone heard of carlos ghosn ? quite the fellow.
mircea_popescu: phf this has happened before. specifically the guy recently named in log, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584020 ☝︎
phf: adlai: i agree, it's a general graph, rather than a tree, has loops etc.
adlai: patches state what state their antecedents must produce, but they don't commit to the antecedent itself
mircea_popescu: no, this'd be different ; that was about adding references ~in the files~ as comments ; this is about the patches (ie, diffs)
phf: the read part of the story is vapid, but the unread part is more interesting, and therefore will be completely missed by the target audience of that article: somewhere in the world, there's a corporation that can change its ~internal communications language~ because the ceo said so
ben_vulpes: ah, the "roots" thread?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fortunately nobody gives a flying fuck what esl speakers say on any topic. this is very deeply difficult for the selfsame esltards to grok, but it DOES explain why trilema is more widely read than nytimes.
adlai should probably provide an example instead of babbling, but: it's possible to produce distinct antecedents for the same patch
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 06:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem of "how to sort two patches which alter entirely disjuncts subsets of the file set" is not exactly clear. unless they declare how they prefer to be sorted.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597363 << please excuse the nitpick, but given this thread, 'tree' is a misnomer. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf ben_vulpes : it won't corrupt anything if the berkley db is ran in "detached" mode, which it prolly should be. i don't recall if we put this in the trb or not.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski verifyall actually rechecks the chain. takes potentially hours.
mircea_popescu: so that it's trb_mod6_doesgirlsonboats.vpatch vs vtron_phf_addsnamespaces.vpatch. no conflict possible.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:07 phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598886 << in general it should be tree_author_arbitraryname ; that resolves the namespace issue i expect ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 23:21 phf: and on the subject of japan and doing things right, gwern wrote about internet culture in japan http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society#japan-and-the-internet he got everything wrong, but the subject is interesting
phf: that gwern's paper that i linked indirectly explains what's "right" kind of coder, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1580059 ☝︎
pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: " << doesn't quite jive with mackenzie's experience as to the availability of coders but gotta sow the seeds of propaganda that 'japan is falling behind' when in fact seiko, toyota, yonex, panasonic, and more are all leading their fields globally
pete_dushenski: "Japan's population is ageing. Our economy is slowing. We are not producing enough coders and digital gurus. The only way we can catch up and restore growth and dynamism is by looking outside our borders for talent.
phf: i think if you shutdown kernel will give a grace period to stuck userspace processes and then kill 9 it anyway
ben_vulpes: didn't like the thought of you wasting your time on operating system reboots
ben_vulpes: you can nuke a stuck node in place without having to restart the whole machine.
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya, i killed the process and ran it again without the flag in question
pete_dushenski: Framedragger: can you shed some light on how exactly scriba archives ? wondering if my little 'medium trick' has any merit at all or is merely a duplication of effort if links are dropped in-chan
ben_vulpes: strace showed LOTS OF FUCKING READS which got me thinking in the right direction
ben_vulpes: i left -verifyall in my node's boot script for some reason, took me a minute to figure out why it was taking forever to reboot the other day
pete_dushenski: also, dear republic, laocoon (62.113.203.216) is back online, relaying better and more widely than ever. sorry for any inconvenience.
phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem.. ☟︎
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?" << if you're thinking of one as a residence, i could see it.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: haha yup, the wild west needs a wittle washing ;) and ty for the qntra ups, might've been the first time BingoBoingo actually used my suggested title!
ben_vulpes: also if you'd be so kind as to add http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_cleanup.vpatch to your tree i'd be much obliged. if the hopper is working again just let me know and i'll dump vpatches in there
ben_vulpes: for the * patch
phf: like all the seals?
mod6: Anyway, nice chatting for a minute ... but I better get back to work :]
mircea_popescu: may be the antivirus guy
mod6: also, is that Col. Kilgore?!
mod6: I like this Red Cup news.
mod6: aha, ya, well, 'tis true.
mircea_popescu: well it has the advantage that you can piss out the window.
mod6: when reading "Snow Crash" this year, and after Hanjin went bankrupt, was thinkin, "sure, could buy some of those things... tie 'em together and start an ``ark''". but who would wanna basically live at sea for years on end?
mircea_popescu: mod6 as friend once said, "solitary confinment is just great - i take one just about every time i go to the john."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can you tell by the length of the penis ?
mod6: for a short trip, fuck yea. otherwise, no.
ben_vulpes: lotsa jewesses today mircea_popescu
mod6: yah, im with you. i don't think i could deal with being at sea, indefiniately.
mircea_popescu: boat is never as cramped as when the four resident girls get their cramps.
mod6: but yeah, im not gonna live on some boat like rud00d, but would be into taking her out for daily runs of piracy and vaginal stabbings
mircea_popescu: listen, take a break. all this "work" you do on computers is getting in the way of your life.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: you're the one damaging snr tonight
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: incidentally, if I'm wasting my time here with Framedragger and adali, can you also negrate them so they can be put !!down?
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it wasn't for sale at any point when I had the old key, but I suppose that's just "faffing"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger butter sauce. i can tell by the liver-shot eyes and the wattle.
mod6: but yah, wtf with the key, etc?
mod6: i actually kinda wanna test this guy out
ben_vulpes: it was low, then you lost your key, now i don't even wat
Framedragger: verifying ovh downtime is sometimes a matter of deciphering french tweets from this octave guy https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000515962445/dbcf2529f787de1233a72011d216d992_400x400.jpeg straight from french cinema
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: you realize that every day you continue faffing about like this the odds anyone here will pay one red cent for masamune goes down?
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it was 200, then 300, now 410
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: you realize that there will be a price hike after this is complete correct?
mircea_popescu: everything i hear about ovh makes me think it's a french company.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: iirc with ovh, paypal sometimes doesn't clear till next business day. possibly same with CC. needs to be checked manually. if you raise a ticket with them they'll tell you that, and nothing will get fast-tracked. :/
mod6: It's like 7 deg. F., but I just grilled some awesome cheddarworst on the grill. Damn they were good.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:51 adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents
mircea_popescu: buenas tardes senor
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:39 Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:48 ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598796 < if only there were some system you could buy where everything worked out of the box. ☝︎
adlai is confused, can't the _p-erson up itself?
ben_vulpes: hey ovh why does it take more than fifteen seconds to charge a cc? what do you use, bitcoin? ☟︎
phf: slow night on tmsr
ben_vulpes: now if gabriel_laddel_p has returned to say "omfg you said you would" the fun continues!
Framedragger: true. and treating it differently leads to mismatched expectations.
ben_vulpes: anything other than "yeah i'll get right on it" is a "no" in my book
ben_vulpes: not necessarily that shitty of an attitude in this case Framedragger
Framedragger: ("supposed" and "putting this together" is really stretching it, but i agree that "hey i didn't commit to anything" is a really shitty attitude, of the same kind as "i hacked up loggotron but it's bad lol")
Framedragger: i told gabriel i'd be interested in reviewing clim-web etc.; he sent me a very nice email with instructions incl. setup; this was 20 dec; i didn't have time to look at it.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:39 gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger was supposed to put this together, but (surprise) has not.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598778 << how did you get this idea then ? ☝︎
jhvh1: adlai: The operation succeeded.
adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents ☟︎
adlai ceasefires re:glp until he has something to show for himself (all for antecedent superpositions are valid)
ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like ☟︎
adlai: oh, the right word is 'algebra'. dude taught me algebra.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 23:22 adlai tells that one story about the math teacher that drew a line on the blackboard, then fisted it to uproars from the audience
adlai: gabriel_laddel_pm | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598715 < also, it sounds like you might have been sorely miseducated your entire life. << whaddya want, he was a populist; yet in his defense, he was my first math^H^Harithmetic teacher who... how do i put this, had a mentor relationship with his charges rather than just "these are the numbers, these are their sums" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:31 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :)
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598410 << at the risk of furthering the thread on harmonic interferometry, you don't "get" dsotm until you "hear" (not with teh ears, but in the heart, or wherever the pineal gland lives these days) the 251 ☝︎
gabriel_laddel_p: and a bot you can "deedbot" a networked program to
adlai: nothing passive nor aggressive about this, just plain old fact.