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mircea_popescu: not much of one -- a bunch of rando camhos got ~same to write on their tits.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am contacting you from the future, a time when "microsoft" "bought" whatever.

mircea_popescu: hopefully it's deployed as a ruby gem via kubinetes.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically possible to write 3600 emulator without much brain work, the instr set is (mostly) described in their 600 (!) page patent. but there's very little to be gained from doing so, the 3600 arch is before they cleaned all of the mit shit-hackolade out of the thing, it has million idjit warts inherited from when the thing was a refrigerator-sized dumpster of 74xxx discretes

amberglint: well, one of them wrote a PERQ emulator

mircea_popescu: and some ru outfit that was going to acid-peel and image chips, and a museum dork thart was going to rent me time on one of his boxes but then didn't nor felt any need to explain why he's stupid, and some other dork gonna build himself a vent, and so on and so forth.

asciilifeform: and of course there is a mircea_popescu to laugh, cuz it's pretty laughable state of affairs

asciilifeform: and a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 tards with working (while caps last..) boxes but 0 brain ☝︎

asciilifeform: right nao there's a d00d with 2 crystals; and another d00d with maybe-pinouts; and a gorlum somewhere with maybe-tapes; etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik nobody's even picked up enuff frags with which to make even half of a serious attempt, at that

asciilifeform: amberglint: iirc he found pinouts. not crown jewels, tho could be of use in ~very slowly~ getting sumthing useful from the 2 'ivory' crystals i traded a 3620 for

mircea_popescu: afaik this is a botomless pit, trying to pay people to eg imagine ivories/bolixen etc is less roi than buying girls new stockings.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-15 02:44 phf: asciilifeform: i actually forgot! i'm swamped right now, but can you remind me again in about two weeks, i have a thing for you from the dig that will help with the little piece of silicon you have

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now if only such a thing existed irl.

mircea_popescu: nobody's ever getting fired for giving away the expensive company car to a guy dressed in a red coat. "i thought he was the parking vallet".

mircea_popescu: also, english is a piece of shit. wtf "can can", get better modals!

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863774 << could have easily organised a "break-in", stuff coulda been out of there before anyone even "discovered" and reported it. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: amberglint http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ for the theory ; http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ a primer for the practice. in short, republic's created a bunch of symbolic shorthands for things.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-19 01:05 asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how.

asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the psychology , is it like the nazi gold, 'we'll build a 4th reich and will need it' or how. ☟︎

asciilifeform: there's scarcely a corpse in the graveyard deader than bolix -- the fucking ~trademark~ lapsed

asciilifeform: amberglint: i dun buy this excuse; for the pathological coward, there's 9000 ways to post a pill anon

amberglint: yeah, it's the same deal, I guess some people are afraid of lawsuits from a dead company

asciilifeform: it's funny , these people. e.g. coupla weeks after i posted my pill for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 , that i had to make with own hands , a finn shows up, 'i have one too' 'why didntcha post' '...'

amberglint: whoever made that pill wasn't eager to make it public, I got it in a roundabout way

asciilifeform: amberglint: the psychology of the 'jealous guards' people is still a riddle to me

asciilifeform: amberglint: it is interesting that somebody actually bothered to sit down and make a pill for ns. suggests that somebody, somewhere, has what to read in it..

amberglint: Peter Paine has a huge pile of Symbolics tapes which he jealously guards from other bolixologists, I wonder if it has the source of Ivory

a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.

asciilifeform: ( for non-bolixologists in the audience : 'ns' was the spiffy vlsi tool they used to bake their ic's, logic was specified as a lisp proggy of sorts and compiled into an item that could be taken to vlsi plant )

asciilifeform: what i wanted re ns, is a) the 'ivory' src b) src for ns itself, to pillage the algos

amberglint: ok, give me a minute

asciilifeform: sooo didja disasm it and make a pill, or what

amberglint: after you do that, there's another gotcha - it needs a license from Symbolics to run, like Macsyma

amberglint: NS does work, but you need a simple workaround to get around the Xlib error: switch your X server to 8bpp

asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform wondered why no lappy maker ever included simply a compartment with sprints, like electronic boxen in the good old days, where you could stuff in yer own when the old ones give out. then realized the obv answer why.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you asked earlier -- battery is a 'aa-pb2vc6b' , 48 watt-hour, 6 cylindrical cells, dead-likely the usual #18650 thing

asciilifeform: 'but it's a really fast eye dropper!' -- nope, not really so fast

asciilifeform: grr can't find thread, so at risk of repeat : there is a legend, where some nao long-dead sage ( ulam ? ) was in a room where the lesser mortals idly fucked around with q 'how to short bundle of sticks by length' fastest. d00d silently picked up the bundle of sticks and pounded them on table ends-down and then lowered palm onto the top, picking up longest with each move

asciilifeform: if anybody's doing sumthing actually constructive, it's a well-kept seekrit

asciilifeform: current-day 'supercomp' biz is a sad cargo cult, ~errybody's building buckets fulla intelade rubbish.

mircea_popescu: seems there's a MINIMAL complexity "For anything interesting", and we're finally just now getting togethert the tools to work with it.

asciilifeform: iirc we had a photo-computation thread even

mircea_popescu: half bn copies of a 100G each!

mircea_popescu: dealing with a 500`000`000 copies (more or less exact) of the same 100GB file within half an hour... that's more than any node does ; and more than the collective of nodes did since the beginning of the ocin.

mircea_popescu: (and deals with more tbs of data than any bitcoin node, but that's a story for later sadness.()

asciilifeform: but yes, 'allcomers p2p' allows 9000 types of abuses ( if you think about it, the fact that one is able to build a simple mechanism to map out the net, is not actually a win , for that matter ) , noose at 11

mircea_popescu: and i have seen a tyre depot, which for my purposes here counts as "bag of legs"

asciilifeform: never seen a bag of working arms or legs either

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever seen someone with a bag of cunts ?

mircea_popescu: turns out, cunt more of a jewel of engineering than generally thought, yet ~another~ aspect of its normal functioning not reproducible by present technical means.

mircea_popescu: kinda informs the change of the tenor here, since his http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ declaration a few years ago.

mircea_popescu: but yes, it's painfully obvious the "p2p" nature of bitcoin went straight to nowhere, disabusing naive satoshi notions of "all the world's a huge wikitardia!!!" 1990s wank.

asciilifeform: by my current estimate ( not fired the full scan yet, when proggy done it'll run continuously and present a phuctoresque www panel ) there are perhaps 100 actual noades on the net

asciilifeform: already turned up a buncha oddities re noades -- for instance, just about errybody not-trb still sends out gavinalert (with 'key compromised!' message. wai -- i have nfi )

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, while mircea_popescu is awake -- mircea_popescu do you still have a 'mpb' noad running on public net ? would like to try my exerciser on one

mircea_popescu: illustrating a very interesting sorta backflow

mircea_popescu: i was thinking, has major chances of being pulled as a patch into eulora-something.

mircea_popescu: "I packed the above code as a .vpatch on top of the previous genesis .vpatch mainly for keeping my original promise of showing this being built as it is with detours and corrections on the way. Otherwise this could equally well be a genesis in itself given how radically it changes pretty much everything in there. Nevertheless, at least for now - meaning until a final version is achieved and a regrind makes perhaps sense - I'l

asciilifeform prolly will pick up a spare or 2, so as not to end up with 'rms longsoon' irreplaceable artifact

asciilifeform: this will be a cuntoo box, when i get around to redisking it ☟︎

asciilifeform: in other minor noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863154 << uncrated it last night, and it's a success , a+++ sunlight display ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but as a factual matter, are.

asciilifeform: as i understand, it's a temple, they had'em in 3000 bc just the same, heathens pray to their peculiar gods

a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 17:34 asciilifeform: in related lulz, and iirc we had a thread ( tho can't seem to unearth it ), urandom is sufficiently sad that when asciilifeform was running genetic algos / monte carlo / etc. crapolade , yrs ago, from it... would regularly fail to converge

mircea_popescu: there ~certainly~ exists such a thing as "ability to see through bells and whistles", uniting with a strong red thread the 1800s definition of a man ( http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.205-31.374 ) and the 2000s definition of a man ( as say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 ). ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not making either of those two strong statements. but it does seem to me that the reason you don't have a model is that you're trying to model somethingt that doesn't exist (not that the UNDERLYING PHENOMENA don't exist). much like people "didn't have a model" of earth-centric cosmos.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:09 mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i obv dun have a reductive model, and dun know of any honest people who ever claimed to. but this is somewhat diff thing than 'to even try model is waste of time, it's rngolade'

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know you get a bunch of utri. should prolly not smoke.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding << For completeness, there was also the option to have a "radiodoctor" do a house call, but I figured the intel gathering opportunity on the hospital at a time when I'm a least several days removed for threat of mortality would be the higher return option

mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "cat is there whether you look or not" and "we'll put a cat in some boxes you look into, let us know which"

mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it's a thing like agility, or strength ( rather than height, or cock girth, etc )

mircea_popescu: yes, but intelligence is not a thing.

asciilifeform: dunno, e.g. pb poisoning, is a thing

mircea_popescu: i do not belive, since we're doign disbeliefs, in this starry-eyed view of intelligence where it's a gift, like ambidexterity, or a property, like penis size, and "life can enhance or dishance it".

BingoBoingo: I was also asked if I wanted a note to take off from work, because apparently that is what 80% of the other ER walkins were there for

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which i count as a great benefit.

a111: Logged on 2013-12-15 01:18 mircea_popescu: a tournament market, like typiocally the 1mn starlets waiting tables in hollywood is there to exploit labour.

mircea_popescu: pretty sure io had a write-up re hollywood, but now can't turn it up.

BingoBoingo: Doctor took a look and wrote the antibiotic script

asciilifeform: in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter is extensively documented on trilema at that. cost me a few grand, but hey, can't have free science.

a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 03:03 Mocky: ahahaha shoemoney and his mfa check for $130k made out to 'nextpimp', man what a decade

mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a refinement on paul graham's scam ( http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/#footnote_6_59020 )

mircea_popescu: not so for alphabet, paid that moron a mn a decade ago, its groupon is STILL GOING. and htey're claiming however many billions

mircea_popescu: 100% of that entirely fictitious pile is built out of a generalized belief that there is such a thing as "adwords" and it does exchange money, and well... that guy was the early (and really, only) winner of that lottery market.

mircea_popescu: then there's a digg cycle, and then there's a reddit cycle. and there probably was a small one in between, with wordpress and "shoemoney" and "web20" etc.

asciilifeform: after a coupla cycles of this, what history possibly left.

mircea_popescu: (of course it does, but "nobody knows" because "it's not in vice" and "nobody with a clue would be here anyway" etc.)

mircea_popescu: sadly tokyo doesn't enjoy a lengthy history APART from the moron invasion.

mircea_popescu: in fact, 80% or more of what passes fro "creative" these days, ie shitty cable shows and "stand up comedy" consist entirely of "recognition porn". turtles visiting tokyo, "hey, turtle from osaka, you too thought the tram was a large dog ?!" "yes turtle from kyoto, that's exactly what i thought when i first saw a tram, did you think so too ?!" "yes this is a brilliant idea to think".

mircea_popescu: a converse way to look at it would be to say that online atomization overrepresents schelling points

a111: Logged on 2016-03-31 15:52 mircea_popescu: and the start and end of it all is, these atrocious fucktards, who think "sadly there's too many bars" and the whole surface of club in buenos aires would fit in one sane club in a sane place,

mircea_popescu: apparently there's nothing quite as destructive of the human mind than insistently inculcated & socialized conviction that "there's a lot out there". i liveblogged how this fucked up argentina, ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-31#1442615 will have to do, i can't find the original discussion with the local dork now) and well... ☝︎

asciilifeform: in sov. urban legendology there is a persistent, if not particularly plausible, tale, that some d00d had been given the job of dressing up in bear costume for brezhnev's safaris, and eventually shot

mircea_popescu: we could restate the life narrative of the millenian in the terminology of "It may be argued that what is wrong with Soviet art is not that it restricts itself to the common experience but that its version of that experience is false; were it faithfully to reflect the true experience of the Soviet masses it might be valid art. But how can one speak of a common Soviet experience without taking into account that it itself is fo

mircea_popescu: i would guess about 60% or so of 2?F "sub" girlies exist on fetlife only as the fruit of the overactive imagination of a beta "M" somewhere.