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mircea_popescu: me too, but i'm not intelligent enough to be able to say something this soon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're on subj of 'trbi', i was hoping to see the thread continue, re whether mempools, or whether my particular, or some other, scheme for abolition of mempool can be made to work , and so forth
mircea_popescu: the syren song of "oh, how wasteful" is always the side a of a record that goes the same old droning rooseveltism.
mircea_popescu: phf no, it is not failure or waste. it is the necessary basis for independent human intelligence.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tru!
phf: well, i regret spending so much energy on infrastructure, but i saw it as necessary evil. the fact that others had to i see in terms of personal failure at best
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you conflate many things. having the car ready doesn't necessitate it being launched early.
asciilifeform: and 0 interest to the luser reddit folx et al. (why would it)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 17:30 mircea_popescu: this has been a honest-to-god real-time davout node emerging in march going "so guyse... chatlog-block-419333 is highest rite ?" and resyncs ensued.
mircea_popescu: phf understand the significant costs of p2p syncronization, as just yesterday exemplified in say http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622837 ; the electricity bitcoin burns is an investment, in social order. just like the pyamids. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i oughta be quite specific re : 'nobody wants'. say i write a trbi, along one of the described schemes. nao wat -- mircea_popescu mines it ? and after this, who will want it ? 'just another premined alt!111' etc.
mircea_popescu: sorta goes in the "parachute - folded before jumping" vein.
mircea_popescu: the "at some point the idiots pulling on the tablecloth will rip it, and the a) here's a replacement is way better than the b) i guess we should think of replacement" ?
asciilifeform: the thing that cools asciilifeform's enthusiasm re 'trbi' to somewhere south of 3 kelvin, is that it isn't clear to him that anybody actually wants this, for something
mircea_popescu: nao not much. we have between us a literal raft of problems with tentative statement and tentative possible solutions.
asciilifeform: ( hey nubbins, i dun need the b00k no moar!111!! )
mircea_popescu: i may dare say the same, especially in the evenings after a cognac or two.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw at this point i understand (in the arithmetic sense) how it (protocolically) worx
mircea_popescu: phf you think it burnt ?
mircea_popescu: but not even it, they can't be high informatio,
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is someone who doesn't know supposed to choose.
mircea_popescu: free fucking will, suppose you go to a mall where they blindfold you and take your credit card.
asciilifeform: (seems to flow out of the 'delusion of free will' comment)
asciilifeform: alternatively catch people and trap'em in a cellar and make'em work..
mircea_popescu: "and having so judged, i will now apply myself to problem i selected by criteria."
mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr, i am going to now judge this list."
asciilifeform: then either folx solve, or 'humanity too dumb to deserve goodies', what.
mircea_popescu: suppose the list is there. what next ?
mircea_popescu: and in general, the hallucinant delusion that person is in position to "own free will" and "self determination" and fucking humanism is five quarters of the whole problem.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to address the problem (clearly generated by the unfortunate combination of deep imbecility inborn in americans and the deep suicidal streak of the female state as it is), and so what can i say.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to come back to it : there's a particular vacuum occuring in bitcoin, 2016-2017 so far, whereby the technically competent are relatively improductive, and the inept, instead of standing to attention before them, are stuck producing the inane bs they produce
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi, my contact with this species, fwiw, is 0. there is ppm of cockroach in my coffee, and ppm of mouse in my bread, there is 0 of these in my anything afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect it;s some flimsy attempt to attention whore through keyword stuffing by some inept cunt in california, who has a lot of college debt and utterly no skills to speak of.
mircea_popescu: in other news in the same vein, the pirate bay doesn't seem to have... the story of o.
mircea_popescu: but i'm not about to burn regency furniture for heat, and i'm not about to set girls that can go out and talk to people in front of a computer to ada.
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu dun need, e.g., computer, could have continued to sit on his cocaine yacht in costa rica, until end of his days
mircea_popescu: well, there's no if. i dun need, tis the fucking point of life in any sense. the less you need the better off you'll be.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to squeeze the world through the eye of a needle because i'm so infatuated with conceptual beauty that i can't resist. i can resist jus' fine.
asciilifeform: dunno from whence came the notion that mircea_popescu 'needed'
mircea_popescu: i'd like to see it succeed. that's how far it goes.
mircea_popescu: understand, i was mp before bitcoin was invented. i will be mp after it crashes and burns. tis not a need, for me.
asciilifeform: or if not -- then obviously not.
asciilifeform: well if mircea_popescu's statement is to be taken literally, 'one ox is worth 50 ducks', seems like if you need ducks for something, it'd be a trade you could make.
mircea_popescu: anyway. not all good things are for that goodness necessarily permitted to exist. maybe humanity is altogether too dumb to have a bitcoin. i guess in time we'll definitely find out.
mircea_popescu: so no, there won't be any turning of gurls into dudes. maybe the reverse, though it seems the process is kinda lossy.
asciilifeform: i have 0 comment on what the duck and the ox are worth
asciilifeform: last i looked out the window i was as 'in' the field as one might hope in any nightmare, neh
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to turn an ox into a duck. and to be very clear, one obedient gurl is worth about fifty or so exceptional programmers.
mircea_popescu: and shall i send you in the field ?
asciilifeform: maybe test the hypothesis re the obedient gurls
mircea_popescu: 99.9x% of everything is done by people who have been here since founding. tis a little worrysome.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, we have a very serious problem getting new people to actually get head out of ass do something useful.
asciilifeform: sorta why beelzebub saw it fit to send us mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: there is more 'unsexy, necessary work' than there are, or ever will be, hands
asciilifeform: but this find is applicable, sadly, ~only~ to trbi
asciilifeform: (fixed length tx)
asciilifeform: esp given that i discovered how to use NO DB
mircea_popescu: if they manage to stumble in their own robes and throusers until 2030 or so, trb might even live!
asciilifeform: paradoxically a trb-i is light years easier than 'cleaned trb' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: vaguely maybe we cut the wallet, i dunno, sometime in 2018, vaguely maybe we make the first steps towards testing some basics re possible db move, maybe by 2019 etc
mircea_popescu: point fucking being, technologically we're what, 10 years away from actually having a worthy replacement ? at the present rate, at least.
asciilifeform: ( at any rate, this'd be the first time a supposed unpreparedness of opponent, kept somebody from firing 1st shot )
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:49 mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: not like we're anymore prepared for this summer than we were for the last.
asciilifeform: mine 1GB, 1TB, 1PB block if they want.
asciilifeform: (i have deeply nfi re what's keeping'em. they can fire the phorkwarz first shot whenever)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there any substantial difference b/w the 2 schemes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not simply that, you'll have to actually go drink the tardswamp if you want specifics.
asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/block-height/420000 same version tag for instance.
mircea_popescu: anyway, irrelevant as it is - currently "bu" is ahead of "segwit" in terms of prbisms.
mircea_popescu: after the horrific failure of the "voting" bs last time around, most nobody gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some voting bs, i've not followed too closely.
asciilifeform: ain't that ~all blocks since year or so ago?
mircea_popescu: trinque did you have the "leika" idiots over there ?
asciilifeform: what do these ~do~..?
asciilifeform: ^ the earliest, if one is to believe, currently known example of nsa sabotaging ~consumer~ crypto
asciilifeform: implement a stream cipher instead of the DES algorithm.'
asciilifeform: 'The PX-1000 is a device capable of transmitting encrypted text messages over telephone lines. We show that the original version that was produced by TextLite implements the DES algorithm correctly. In 1983, when Philips USFA distributed this device as the PX- 1000Cr, the NSA made a deal with Philips USFA to implement an alternative algorithm. For this alternative version we show that it does
ben_vulpes: ironclad dood wrote the thing in college and then got a job?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down"
phf: these narratives are all the same
ben_vulpes: oh no i'm thinking of ccl
asciilifeform: the one who quit and the leahs immediately closed in
asciilifeform: oh is that the former sbcl d00d?
phf: it all sort of ties together somehow. and yes, as trinque said, starts with a particular face
ben_vulpes: fuckin waste of a temple
asciilifeform: all of this is quite the lulzfest to asciilifeform : none of it existed a few yrs ago when i last looked
phf: last post from "symbolics lisp engineer": I've decided to participate in ProcJam 2016 this year. For a change of pace, I'm building a small roguelike in Clojure with a Unity3D front-end.
phf: i was on a channel with that character, until the s/r got so low, i had to leave. amongst the things he did, put in a chip backwards "it dun work", rebuilt power supply by sending it to "we rebuilt power supplies" company that did it for $900 for him
trinque: they have a particular face, don't they
trinque: I guess it's the next step up from "no, I only type on a mechanical typewriter"
asciilifeform: this isn't the only 1 on the net, either, i found several, they bought lispms, one took hundreds of photos of himself 'hipstering' near it, then one final one where it (??!) burned down ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: it hit me in the face immediately
phf: guy is an idiot and a butt of many jokes. exactly that, wealthy aspy cto buys expensive toy, proceedes to make a full of himself
asciilifeform: but let american navy dig, on bottom of the sea, looking for boojums. just what the doctor ordered.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:23 asciilifeform: i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric)
asciilifeform: BUT i do have the chip, bought for some bux, from the old days of giving a shit, and so offer it to phf et al.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did describe earlier, having concluded a few yrs ago that it is cheaper, easier, moar pleasant, to cut appart 'snap4' emulator (i have a pc build here ~with debug symbols~, comes apart in ida nicely) than to suffer with nitric acid and electron microscope ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the need to cut apart the hardware of a 50yo defunct company strikes me as batshit insane
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, ttps://68.media.tumblr.com/e6b9bf1b682ab44d56edcdb0a831131d/tumblr_inline_om77i8WadD1th0i48_500.gif