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mircea_popescu: THEN they keep biting the steel girder in any real interaction, because guess what, if you're not watching tv the conventions of tv world aren'
t enforceable.
mircea_popescu: that ain'
t literature anymore than memory-trained monkey is thinker.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t train into being moon ; and if you are moon you can train while playing civ or golden axe. i know i did.
mircea_popescu: right. which is why in my mind it's represented as a sort of you know, moon. "you can'
t reboot the machine without knowing what it's doing"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 12:57 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don'
t think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don'
t even care.
BingoBoingo: kanzure: Well, sometimes a big oem doesn'
t make a truck that quite exactly fits your job or your site
kanzure: (i didn'
t. it was someone else. but you get it.)
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> it's literally the answer i was given << I can'
t find this re-reading log at all
kanzure: no i don'
t have an answer, i just have peripheral knowledge of this type of attack, not specific masks to go attack RNGs
kanzure: hplc in 2007 no that doesn'
t sound right. might have been someone else.
kanzure: that's not something 've been working on. so i'm not sure it merits surprise that i don'
t have one?
kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn'
t like the electroporator?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:07 phf: it is certainly because you haven'
t found the right pdfs
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 02:59 asciilifeform: 'can'
t use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.
phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don'
t think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
☟︎ phf: well, that aside wasn'
t about you, but about yudkowsky.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don'
t think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don'
t even care.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: hey. there's nothing wrong with ilya muromets kills the koschei. BUT! there's also nothing wrong when koschei kills all the fucktarded uppity youth who weren'
t ilya.
mircea_popescu: i think one of the major advantages of my not living there is starting to shape itself pretty clearly. you're rather reactively allergic, aren'
t you alfie.
mircea_popescu: but then again this is how the whole "democracy" derp dies, "publish the data so people who don'
t have the time to study it don'
t study it"
kanzure: i don'
t mean the log i just mean your goals and behavior
kanzure: and then you come to me and argue that you guys aren'
t meant to look like noise....?
kanzure: asciilifeform: the stuff about hash functions was re: what exercise of power does mircea_popescu historically engage in. and then you quoted things from the logs. it wasn'
t that long ago.
mircea_popescu: i used the term metaphorically. the convo sounds like noise to you because you don'
t accept/have the priors. which priors he'd propose are a different authority structure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in summary, it's impossible to make sense of the leaves of a merkle tree that you don'
t have the root for, is what he's saying.
mircea_popescu: but ftr, lungs aren'
t awful. especially human lungs are jewels imo.
kanzure: yeah i don'
t think existing lungs would be a good thing to subject to that. i haven'
t given it much thought.
kanzure: well you didn'
t say it; but let's stick to the deriving-from-authority concept eh?
mircea_popescu: eh. think of it this way, if people didn'
t have barriers at all they'd be goo.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 20:26 asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won'
t eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc
mircea_popescu: kanzure you can'
t put that sort of burden on key generation. he has a point with the babbage quote, you're trying to put contraryt things in the same box.
kanzure: i think the most mature construction was one that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides: they could be running a fake client that solely does these rule validation protocols or whatever, and then they don'
t actually run a node in the end)
kanzure: so, i had a proposal a while back where i pushed that question to the edges instead of to the miners; e.g. a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying to determine whether the recipient is actually running a node (because why would you send coins to a monkey that isn'
t running the bitcoin protocol).
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 19:32 asciilifeform: ooook try this on for size : suppose fixed-width TX (as discussed earlier.)
T(N) is the Nth tx,
T(0) is the first tx in genesis block, etc. Tmax is the last tx in the currentheightblock.
kanzure: block content is actually not sufficient. even if you include a nonce (like a private key) plus the previous block content, you don'
t actually get what you need there in the sha3 proposal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the days when "teh cartel didn'
t exist" ?
kanzure: no i mean coercing me into saying things that i don'
t believe
a111: Logged on 2014-10-27 21:05 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i can'
t believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised
mircea_popescu can'
t help but visualize endless expanded rice cakes, painted with the required assignats drawings. sort of like e-stamps, only edible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always how this happens. it wasn'
t the generatio nthat slept in cow dung under the biting western wind that thought cowboy is tough guy
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 21:39 kanzure: "and as such they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn'
t this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are trying to callibrate collective goal behavior shit.
kanzure: so just hoard a bunch of power and don'
t provide much signal regarding its application or likely application. is this some sort of gmaxwell-level fear of "unintentionally causing others to agree with you, by unethically signaling to them an idea that they shouldn'
t have had in the first place" bullshit?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don'
t know thereby constructs a sybil of you.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn'
t a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".
kanzure: i don'
t really care if it's "justified" by you, i care about correctly understanding
kanzure: that's sort of rude isn'
t it. wouldn'
t it be less total noise to just answer instead of either one of us wasting our time?
kanzure: and then lasercut plywood because we're all hipsters and our eyes don'
t bleed
kanzure: (openpcr actually isn'
t that cheap. it's sort of annoying.)
kanzure: authorities definitionally can'
t babble? show me how that works.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:03 kanzure: "productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis, the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven'
t even bothered to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven'
t tried cooling").
mircea_popescu: well, actually, i'm the authority here, definitionally what i'm saying can'
t be babbling. you've upgraded your argument from "your intel is broken" to tmsr dun werk, it's a very dubious trek.
shinohai: Rich guys don'
t sit around in irc all day and make blog posts!
phf: it is certainly because you haven'
t found the right pdfs
☟︎ kanzure: "productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis, the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven'
t even bothered to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven'
t tried cooling").
☟︎ kanzure: crowdfunding doesn'
t work (if the crowd had money then they wouldn'
t need crowdfunding)
mircea_popescu: mkay. here's the problem : on one hand there's lieberman's very stern "forbidden to have course on nonsense" ; on the other hand people can'
t fucking help it that they're clueless on topics, and the sort of lulzy doodle nonsense sprouted by boetke is not HIS fault. that's, truthfully, how little we know of genetics.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:24 kanzure: anyway, you don'
t need to focus merely on small mutations, you can also voluntarily delete chunks of chromosomes or whatever
phf: i don'
t think so, this is more like figuring out that something's broken in a car by the sounds that the engine is making. doesn'
t mean that the car's not working anymore. it seems reasonable though that causes and purposes would be the response, since that kind of eliadism is a natural counterpoint to above... that's just my impressions though
phf: "intelligence" "humans are idiots" "kurzweil" "working memory" "genetics" "yudkowsky". it's funny at some point you don'
t even need to read the log, you can figure out the particular, previously observed failure mode of a person by keywords that stand out
kanzure: but it can'
t be a purpose? okay.