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mircea_popescu: actually i can tell ye this : in the above context, "not legal" also includes situations where it's technically legal but more expensive to comply than worth bothering (worth as defined by mass scale producers)
shinohai: ack missed that - cat logs.txt | grep 'whereindafuqismircea_popescu'
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc there was a ban on 'red book' animals etc
mircea_popescu: lawyer sent me memo ten years ago "careful about taking your cane on trip, they're insane" etc.
shinohai: My guess of the day: Belize
mircea_popescu: it's no longer legal to make items with animal leatherf in the us pretty sure.
mircea_popescu: also go to five star hotel, check out their towels. or buy one of those new and cuddly bathrobes for gf. also microfiber
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't these typically have leather inside ?
mircea_popescu: the original item is of course goretex, 1960s tech, where you heat teflon and suddenly pull on it, makes this 8-9-1k% the size microporous structure.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633641 << what do they do in a fire ? under sunlight ? in acids ? can you make them without any petro ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633711 << buy a new car take the "upholstery" apart, it's 99% gonna be microfiber. what does it do under sun ? nothing. if you pour coke on it ? nothing. if you pour sulphuric acid it melts, for sure. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's gonna end up a trick, 'ahaha i'm on OTHER END of buenos aires', lel
mircea_popescu: this is gonna be more fun than i had thought.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:03 asciilifeform: omfg jurov mathematica ain't a typesetting system!
mircea_popescu: pondering whether ima need to order generators etc.
asciilifeform: how's the new bananistan
shinohai: I think those types will always exist .... I found it mirthful that they showed up in the comments section of the dao hacker article on trilema.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/3Ycl6 >> kako finally turns off +m , and it is revealed! that the 'gimme money pleeez' folx still exist. just as years ago.
asciilifeform: eventually one -- learns. and then you begin to see the monkeys who 'why should i have to look for a special place before taking a shit, i can do it wherever' as the loathesome things they are.
asciilifeform: both are items 'civilians' are quite accustomed to, to the point of 'how the fuck can anyone even think of living without'
asciilifeform: i don't bring them up together out of superficial similarity, but from fundamental one -- v rejects 'merge' as a concept; ada rejects the promiscuous pointer and cast
shinohai finds V far easier than git now for some reason .....
asciilifeform: but yes, you will do 2-3x the work, subjectively, as when writing c proggy. but it is not ~wasted~ work, just as the work of using v instead of 'git' etc. is not wasted. ☟︎
asciilifeform: there ~are~ considerable wins in convenience -- you can ask an array how big it is; and where it starts/ends (indices are not from zero, but can be from anything to anything, as can types -- you can have a type 'integers from 12 to 15', say.)
asciilifeform: but it does require letting go of n decades of 'c thinking', where you reflexively litter the proggy with pointers to whatevers
asciilifeform: and more or less any problem that doesn't involve os calls, can be solved in some other way.
mod6: I hope it's not too prohibitive.
asciilifeform: in most cases you can't even point to a thing in ~your current scope~
asciilifeform: the pointer rules are the clearest case of this.
asciilifeform: then later it dawns on you that the 'could have been trivial' would have been at the cost of becoming c.
mod6: over something that should have been totally trivial.
mod6: i've quite noticed that actually. i was trying to figure out "packages" and did an evening worth of headbanging.
asciilifeform: ada in particular is 'a harsh mistress', you can sit for 3 hrs and your thing simply won't build, gcc won't eat it, and you gotta actually open the book and grasp the reason why, brute force knob-twiddling will get you 0 result. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: right, ya, something like that. i've got the links to all the sample proggies from before too. so, maybe i'll extend one of them, or that one, or make my own.
mod6: will think on sample projects to get me into the groove.
mod6: was thinking maybe something V-like, since it's fresh in my mind. but the string manip might get tedious and ugly and detract from the overall goal.
mod6: something to get into it a bit, but not too deep. before I try to dig into anything on the btctron level.
mod6: yah, im not sure im quite there yet. what i really need to start in on is a decent enough sample program.
mod6: thanks for the link.
asciilifeform: (or use 'unchecked' but then you may as well write in c )
asciilifeform: fwiw the part i found most painful was the 'access' (pointer) rules. generally you can't have a pointer unless you can demonstrate that it can never dangle ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming/Attributes << almost all of the attributes, in helpful list
mod6: i've been going through ada95, and it helps with some of the weird stuff like X` and P` or whatever.
mod6: i have to say that some of the ada stuff is a bit non-obvious by syntax only.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 07:09 ben_vulpes has clearly not read the ada books
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633701 << i regret to inform ben_vulpes that reading the book (pick anything that is about ada95 or post) is actually necessary -- a number of things (e.g., the very 'fascist' access variable rules) will make 0 sense until you do ☝︎
asciilifeform: but neither applies to him
asciilifeform: brute force can even get results if the problem is inherently susceptible (e.g. clearing mine field) -- or, failing that, if at least one bothers to start from unexplored point in solution space
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 06:55 mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633679 << hey, d00d specialized in 'building space lift is easy, all you gotta do is to stack rocks like-so' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 05:51 mircea_popescu: some of the new microfibers aren't bad.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633641 << what do they do in a fire ? under sunlight ? in acids ? can you make them without any petro ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 07:06 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, this isn't entirely inscrutable: https://github.com/cforler/Ada-Crypto-Library/blob/master/src/crypto-asymmetric-ecdsa.adb#L79
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633699 << it is a notbad library to study (no external deps!) -- but it DOES use heap. ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( in principle, it can be abused as one, but only because it knows how to shit latex )
asciilifeform: omfg jurov mathematica ain't a typesetting system! ☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/spurious-graphs-and-such/ << Trilema - Spurious graphs and such
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, mosul successfuly conquered ; russian reports of mass bombing of civilians entirely untrue. don't fall for fake imitations, always read only the genuinotrue Real News (tm) !
mircea_popescu: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/good-shit-sign-me-the-fuck-up << the fucking cancer. tl;dr : random transvestite mashed kbd last year, this is now documented as if it somehow mattered.
ben_vulpes has clearly not read the ada books ☟︎
ben_vulpes: the implicit return of previously-defined return values or whatever-the-hell-is-actually-going-on there is pretty nifty
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, this isn't entirely inscrutable: https://github.com/cforler/Ada-Crypto-Library/blob/master/src/crypto-asymmetric-ecdsa.adb#L79 ☟︎
ben_vulpes: come now, not serious in the slightest
mircea_popescu: alcoholics usually have better taste than soda swill.
mircea_popescu: eh get out. who do you know that actually lives for beer ?
mircea_popescu: it's a fact though, she's going to keep herself cleaner for you than she's going to for herself ; and this stands even if you don't say anything.
ben_vulpes: although i imagine less 'army of lovers' and more 'everyone who *didn't* shit in the codebase is doing pushups'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-17 05:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the washing thing is a serious problem. turns out that if no women around, people stop seeing the point.
mircea_popescu: they drew the conclusion that optionality is not enough, and work safety must be provided through regulation. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this directly relates to the sad observation of labour activists in the 19th century, that labour is entirely disinterested in its own welfare, and will readily take jobs ~well known~ to be harmful, overly risky, etc. (radium girls go right in here).
mircea_popescu: because if it's your own feet, you may well not be bothered to dry them out each day.
mircea_popescu: this, as you might imagine, was a major problem in ww1, which is why it's even called "trench foot". it was then discovered the best solution to the problem is pairing all the soldiers and having each responsible for the feet of the other
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz : there are many diseases of the foot, all of them rather similar : capilaries die, then the skin gets colonized by fungus and bacteria, then the nerves die and then gangrene sets in. frostbite is not necessary ; nor is diabethes -- something as simple as keeping the feet in warm mud for half a day, or wet for a few days in the same socks will do it.
ben_vulpes: oops there i go being nonjudgemental again
mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i always thought that was by choice rather than necessity.
ben_vulpes: i take entirely adequate notes, tyvm
mircea_popescu: if you're doing all the trenching anyway, actually documenting it is not much more load, and totally worth it.
ben_vulpes: drift slut gets all the attention these days
ben_vulpes: i have more permutations and combinations to run
ben_vulpes: the req'd historical version does not even begin to run on current os x
mircea_popescu: are you doing it for the mac ?
ben_vulpes: on one iteration it popped an x11 window and then segfaulted!
ben_vulpes: thick thick trenchfoot
mircea_popescu: didja get blender to stand up yet ?
a111: Logged on 2015-07-02 21:36 phf: mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-02#1184584 << ho ho ho stumbled over this personally relevant gem looking for something else entirely... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "we represent the whole world*!!!" * as understood by whatever 3rd echelon bureaucrat in the us dept of our democracy that "handles" "canada". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol what the fuck. canadian bitcoin orange revolution!!
ben_vulpes: now tickle her feet
mircea_popescu: some of the new microfibers aren't bad. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phunphakt : the only synthetic cloth fiber that isn't shit ( as, e.g., nylon : flammable, melts on skin, crumbling under sunlight, etc ) is made in... north kr! >> https://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/facility/industry38.htm ☟︎
shinohai: Why yes, I *do* want to follow you upstairs.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that at any point since henry was the "legal system" so much of a joke.
mircea_popescu: to continue the "bikers are human too" thread, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1m5dbf9Rn1qe8p5xo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: myeah. the blockstain.
asciilifeform: (because the reference is a simple integer, showing where thing is found!)
mircea_popescu: not even a joke, this.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:57:45] <asciilifeform> ( possibly -- if some hero devotes several years to it, trb-style -- but even then )