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shinohai: ( Just give him some laced coke and take for phree )
shinohai: Doubt even the shittiest back-alley clinic in Guatemala would pay 10% of that for dudes kidney.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i read that as "the system has decided the value to it of this $random is 200k."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/our-everyday-rape/#selection-133.20-133.57 << in which mp unexpectedly claims dibs on the "it remains" device by virtue of material published 6 years ago!
shinohai: lol @ homeless crackhead being given $200`000 bail for setting the freeway fire.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ^ (but i don't have a point to prove, just that i didn't see much to blame there, however i could just be my usual naive)
Framedragger: or you mean that yet somehow his general spiel still mirrors some general faulty 'american' structure (difficult to prove/disprove this) ☟︎
Framedragger: "and have my esteemed pedigree tree"? isn't part of his (by now, tired, yes) point to the effect of the exact opposite? ("trust your biology, folklore, etc., they're better than experts telling you things"; "i won't give advice on $currency because i don't hold positions in $currency hence not exposed to the risk", so on)
asciilifeform: maybe there was something good in joseph smith also -- 'stop drinking', say.
mircea_popescu: the parts where he applies himself to other principles are quite good nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: now you know why i don't tend to read him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other observation re taleb -- i find his works quintessentially 'american', in the most damning sense of the word -- they are exactly 'salvation through method' - 'do-s and dont-s', 'don't use black-scholes', 'do worship at my feet, and have my esteemed pedigree tree, and sit on the sunny shores of the levant, and You Too Could Be A God Like Me' etc.
BingoBoingo: saifedean of Lebanon, expert who would not deedbot was cast out for the rice in his pork
mircea_popescu: chronos, the god time, who devoured all his sons, was wounded by a diamond sickle borne by his own creation. it happens.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as far as the forum is concerned, his latest foray was some very overreactive bs triggered by my refusal to take rice out of my sushi or somesuch. << AHA
asciilifeform: quite similar to , e.g., sov. general grigorenko, 'dissident'
asciilifeform: my other irritation, fwiw, in taleb, is that he positions himself as 'opponent' of lizard system, while in fact being a creature of it
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care re "arrogance" or whatever other emotional manipulation in the text. i can read the barely literate productions of poorly washed 5th century jews figuring themselves "god". what's taleb gonna do to max my dosimeter.
asciilifeform: it is clearly the work of a thinking man.
asciilifeform: this is so. it is why i even try, occasionally, to read his material
mircea_popescu: good here means a very specific thing : a) not lifted from soup but actually chosen by a hand that can choose to suit the work. ie, not pret a porter but tailored ; and b) correctly covering. as explained in eg http://trilema.com/2017/stop-being-so-fucking-poor/#footnote_3_72144
mircea_popescu: my positive view comes from specific things, such as take the recent article of his that was discussed here : his references are good.
mircea_popescu: sadly there isn't such a thing as "brilliant trader" in nature anymore than there is "masked crime figther wearing a cape".
asciilifeform: my pov re taleb reduces to 'asciilifeform does not have he expertise to determine, from the supplied info, whether taleb is a brilliant trader; but the money, even supposing taleb made it from trading,
asciilifeform: 'stand right here, perhaps gold asteroid will fall for you too!'
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin replication isn't the best of topics for this theory anyway.
mircea_popescu: until they are replicated, all successes can't be replicated.
asciilifeform: successes that cannot be replicated are 'antiknowledge'
asciilifeform: lottery winners have not merely 0 to teach, but 'learning' from them tends to make folx dumber. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well worship is a complex topic. for one thing, why'd you worship anything that dun fuck you.
asciilifeform: and i even have nothing, believe it or not, against lottery winners. of whatever kind. but i will not worship them.
jhvh1: Hello thorntron. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
mircea_popescu: because the latter have to move, and consequently must be graceful and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: the problem is the rope frays at the other end : bama dillert's father, who plows, does not appear in any james hones novels ; bama dillert himself, who figures if a man's gonna gamble anyway, might as well do it without plowing, does.
asciilifeform: i am not a protester of the food chain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's two kinds of animals, at the basics. those who "make something with own chloroplasts" ie, algae, plants etc ; and then those who eat them.
shinohai: !!up thortron
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 15:18 Framedragger: maybe this is an instance of turning $1b into $1m, tho
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635918 << i suspect alf has a very strong bias pro algae and anti bacteria. i'm not altogether convinced the view has any merit. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: because taleb is no mark cuban (the poster child of "pro wrestlert accidentally sold pair of used undies for 5bn, now thinks self businessman in spite of mountain of evidence to the contrary accumulated over the decades)
mircea_popescu: if it's indeed the case that taleb is your orlov, i'll comment that i'm missing out on less than you are.
mircea_popescu: very similar reaction in a certain sort of mousy librarian brain (like for eg the population of something awful) wrt yours truly.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 14:54 asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635912 << i don't personally find taleb objectionable. this position my be significantly bolstered by my disinclination to actually read him. anyway -- i suspect it might be a case of anaphylaxis. you can't stand specific antigens which he expresses mostly to protect himself from the idiot soup he bathes in, the twitter world etc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (in other words : males tend to put up all sorts of inept acts because, literally, manhood is a practical impossibility.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's hard out there for a pimp, yo, when he trynna make da mony fo da rent.
mircea_popescu: as far as the forum is concerned, his latest foray was some very overreactive bs triggered by my refusal to take rice out of my sushi or somesuch.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 14:48 asciilifeform: the basic q for him, per diana_coman earlier, 'who the hell ~are~ you, to ~speak~'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635906 << lebanese iirc expat ; did some research work in the us. not actually stupid but altogether lazy and possessed of a very inflated sense of self-worth and self-importance (it seems to rub off on foreigners faster than on locals, this typical ustardism. i guess it would be because the immigrants self-select for sensitivity to the infection). ☝︎
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he "will spend significant time" to find... "Research" tasks adequate to that fuckdolls "level" yet he can't be bothered to figure out how deedbot works ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 09:36 diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635892 << it already does exactly that. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634147 point in case. ☝︎☝︎
jhvh1: shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635884 << this was lulzy. diana_coman has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. saifadean 5:27 ☝︎
Framedragger: maybe this is an instance of turning $1b into $1m, tho ☟︎
Framedragger: (well he did retire in his 20s by doing trading and also correctly shorting for the 2008 meltdown)
shinohai: Not like my timeline isn't full of all sorts of things that could help with that. :)
shinohai: I sometimes read his stuff, but he is very arrogant for someone that simply parrots existing works.
asciilifeform: (d00d who thinks that he's a demigod, but i have nfi what he actually accomplished with ~own~ hands other than the tired old trick of 'turning a billion $ into a million')
asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason ☟︎
asciilifeform: but not for the certificate-from-hitler.
asciilifeform: if d00d had toiled in a lab for 20 yrs -- that is some, bare, minimal contact with physical reality and cause-effect systems, perhaps comparable with an auto mechanic's 20 yrs in garage. and so i might listen to an experimentalist for ~that~ reason.
asciilifeform: there are few folx more insufferable than the ones who think that their heathen 'credentials' ~per se~ are worth something.
asciilifeform: the basic q for him, per diana_coman earlier, 'who the hell ~are~ you, to ~speak~' ☟︎
shinohai: He replied to me on twitter: "the groupthink, navel-gazing & ritualism can be a little overdone!" ( Asking one to cite sources = ritualism ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635884 << asciilifeform is not even slightly an academic but, after grunting through saifedean's links, agrees with diana_coman ☝︎
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot trinque
trinque savors the irony re: "rituals for exclusivity"
shinohai: tfw peer review requires you to get out the crayons ....
shinohai: Such entertaining logz this morning, courtesy of diana_coman ! >.>
diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks) ☟︎
diana_coman: lolz @ ritualism; I ask for practical, hands-on experience that would give him something to say on the topic and he points me to bla-bla; I point out it is bla-bla unsupported and without any concern to even allow people to verify it should they be inclined to do so and he claims it's rituals I'm asking for
saifedean: in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters
saifedean: academic disciplines as we know them have degenerated into rituals for exclusivity, not communicating ideas. these papers have been quite helpful to disabuse a lot of people of the retarded notions that altcoins and "blockchain technology" are going to revolutionize all teh thingz
saifedean: this is bezzle-funded ritualism, meant to create an aura of prestige around bezzle-funded bullshit "science"
saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology ☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: the links you sent are essentially bla-bla; not even theory since there isn't even some clear methodology one could evaluate, nor clear supporting arguments to the claims; I won't waste any more time on it
diana_coman: I didn't mean to get involved and do something useful with "blockchain technology"; I meant at the very least running a node, exploring the network
saifedean: other than bitcoin-envy, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to use "blockchain technology" for anything
saifedean: that's the point of the paper
saifedean: sounds nice in principle except that you can't actually do anything with "blockchain technology" other than bitcoin
diana_coman: read this: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751 <- the answer to the title would be "well, how the hell would you know?" ; really, get involved and do something useful with it and then talk about what you did; so far I see only a re-hash a la acm/journalism/whatevers, not-even-proper-systematic-lit-review
saifedean: agreed entirely, and the only thing that will kill this worthless zombie is sound money cutting off the bezzle spigots
diana_coman: no need to: it thoroughly disabused me of the naive belief that academia is actually worthwhile aka truly doing research (in some 1% cases it might still be doing it, but mostly dieing out)
diana_coman: might mention that I was a post-doc at some point in life ☟︎
saifedean: and I'm happy to send you the work in progress first draft, but don't want to publish online yet
diana_coman goes to check those out
saifedean: I've written two related papers: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751
diana_coman: saifedean do you have the work and results that mean something? if yes - link; if no, no
diana_coman: in other unrelated or possibly related happenings, my 4 year old got a book about the iss (int'l space station); he got quite obsessed with it for a week so now he knows it inside out; this morning he came with a construction made out of lego pieces and informs me: THIS is IIISSSIII!
saifedean: it's a good answer when you consider that I have the bullshit mainstream credentials most cattle imagine would qualify one to opine on this topic, and that I did not mention that to answer your question because I know cattle credentials don't mean shit.
diana_coman: that's a very poor answer; people's time is a scarce resource
saifedean: I guess you'll have to read it and judge for yourself. In any case the topic isn't bitcoin per se, it's mostly about sound money, and how bitcoin is the digital solution to this perplexing age old problem that has fucked humanity eternally
diana_coman: saifedean WHAT makes you an expert on the topic?
saifedean: If any of you good folk would like to get a sneak peak at the first draft, I'd appreciate the feedback
saifedean: (also, I've got a good few names happy to blurb it and hawk it to publishers)
saifedean: I'm sure you agree it's about time someone wrote something about bitcoin beyond the 'muh cheap latte processing fees'