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asciilifeform: i have vaguely positive memory of the fella, minus the part where he answr'd 100% of asciilifeform's attempts to buy sumthing moar than iron, in same way as mcdonalds clerk might react to attempt to buy the mcdonalds
asciilifeform: tho i suppose could also be cuz asciilifeform successfully persuaded the salt mine he toiled in at the time, to buy alpha+genera, paying dks's rent for month or 2
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, i did the gnarl of the bus already, during (aborted) proj for dks where he asked 'make me a replacement crapple mem expander board for nubus'
phf: re ivory i think we had a thread about macivory being much easier to reverse, since it's all isolated, but you will still have to spend time (re?)learning the gnarly details of apple bus, and whatever adhoc protocol is used to communicate with host. going by an xl might not be a worse option
phf: also i'm alive and on the other end, will soon return to regular scheduled programming
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 20:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878058 << what i thought also.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878321 << ftr this was indeed an adacore gnat >=2017 (see thread), though I'm not sure about the libc. ☝︎
asciilifeform: over the yrs, i've written to a number of folx who have the thing, some 'collectors' , some 'museums' that keep the thing under glass and away from the gold recycling people. but 0 replies. ( tbf, wot problem, they can't readily distinguish asciilifeform from gold recyclers etc )
asciilifeform: ( i dun even know anybody who ~has~ 1 )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 17:34 asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878296 << i don't expect that's gonna happen. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 16:28 asciilifeform: lol i thought 25 was prime
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 23:30 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 22:24 bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878058 << what i thought also. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 17:25 asciilifeform: and so happens that i've dug up the src for the supporting proggy that talked to it, 5 or so yrs ago
asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and so happens that i've dug up the src for the supporting proggy that talked to it, 5 or so yrs ago ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:41 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
asciilifeform: 'ivory' board, however ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875835 ) is moar or less exactly the correct item, it's a minimal set of support logic for the chip, and piggybacks on ancient 1980s crapple ( box that's been reversed nine ways to pluto and 100% emulatable today ) for i/o ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty painful proposition, to pick up a $5k board simply to read off the GALs and xray the pcb. but unless somebody has one to lend for the purpose, i dun see how that dig will ever move beyond 'i have these here 2 ic's' without access to orig ivory pcb.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:14 asciilifeform: phf, incidentally, do you know that i blew MONTHS, if you add it up, possibly most of a year of life, sawing open 'snap4' genera in ida ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense ☝︎☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. ugly hacks around the idiocies of the machine arch, where ram is 1) laughably small 2) dies when power cut 3) poorly impedance-matched with persistent storage 4) persisted 'in software' rather than as reliable function of the iron, resulting in (2)
asciilifeform: (i.e. you use whatever data structure you like in memory, and it gets 'persisted' to nonvolatile storage as part of sane iron functioning)
asciilifeform: as often is the case, the answr to 'doctor, it hurts when i do that' is 'don't do that'
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878219 << I will say over the past couple weeks the time spent log re-reading recent logs has had to go up ☝︎
asciilifeform: lol i thought 25 was prime ☟︎
Mocky: enjoy it, 35 is a man's prime. I ought to know, I'm in my second decade of being 35!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 02:58 zx2c4: haha, was just curious. i presume you're ancient
Mocky: also i still need to finish baking these last 7 Qatar blog posts I wrote up
Mocky: damn, 3 days actually. I think I lost a day somewhere
Mocky: I feel lost tho, 2 days behind in the logs, no idea what's going on :D
Mocky: It's coming along, I'm toughening up. I have a couple dozen new recruiter emails this morning and I only want vodka before I start answering and not hollow point so progress!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878229 << i could be the only one, but the old-school 'integral sign' s never bothered me. devil knows , there's even worse fonts on the web-o'shit today ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i'm not arguing correctness, i'm arguing environment fitness. much like "man is the ~only~ biology success". not intended to mean man's a defensible design.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 06:56 mircea_popescu: so no, there's no such thing as "i want mysql and he wants postgres" possible, there has to be an "use this db system for these reasons" much further upstream.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.
mircea_popescu: i suspect some work on trying mp-wp in a postgres environment would be quite beneficial at this juncture, even.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 03:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used a 'trigraph' index, they're O(~n log n) , if yer interested.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:09 BingoBoingo: On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL
mircea_popescu: that said, yes there's evidently a mysql-vs-postrgres holy war in the brewing here. but i don't think that boil's baked enough for lancing just yet.
mircea_popescu: so no, there's no such thing as "i want mysql and he wants postgres" possible, there has to be an "use this db system for these reasons" much further upstream. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: spyked re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#fn4 : the "wrong cut" i'm affraid is the baked-in expectation that you (the impersonal you) might "choose" among "versions" of something as fundamental as the db system, somewhere as late in the flow of things as the userland.
asciilifeform: i.e. royal soc secretary
asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/philosophicaltra2917roya/philosophicaltra2917roya_bw.pdf << 35 MB (!) scanturd , but displays ok on the box i keep for the purpose
asciilifeform: i had nfi these'd been scanned
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 04:46 asciilifeform: ('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin')
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878046 << you're in luck, i have it for you right here : http://archive.is/Tqi6j#selection-2159.124794-2159.124944 ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: afaik there are currently 3 working ( i.e. with keccak format ) vtrons , v.py ( as patched by phf ) , v.pl ( patched by diana_coman ) and esthlos
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
asciilifeform: i had naively installed 'archlinux' on it, and as result found out for 1st time what systemd was.
mircea_popescu: lmao. yeah, i recall this somehow.
asciilifeform: ( thought 'what comp to take that i dun mind border idjiots stealing' )
asciilifeform: tho i was able to get a kinda linux on it, it actually went with me to mircea_popescu's c2 as travel comp
asciilifeform: i experimented with curing an earlier chromebook, in early 2013, also
mircea_popescu: i can see why it'd be.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 19:28 asciilifeform: i find this intolerable on any box used for anything serious whatsoever, so my c101pa is presently gathering dust
mircea_popescu: anyway, for citizens interested in more serious work : i shall prolly delay report making for a few days, because well, this month started with apendicitis hanbot, and i'm not going to force the very pleasant locals to set up their er/surgery hotel with my complicated red boxes.
mircea_popescu: the encounters of intelligent people always have this mocky flavour, "fuck me, i was sitting here looking for a bitcoin game now it seems i'm going to qatar ?! these people ask the wrong fucking questions!"
mircea_popescu: yet i am convinced you can play 2d games until the end of creation not unearth me another chet.
mircea_popescu: whereas hanbot & i ran into each other literally on collarme forums.
mircea_popescu: for what it's worth, chet & i ran into each other on meanwhile-defunct 2d game /me briefly played while being hidden away in a bunker many years ago, to not go entirely fucking mad.
mircea_popescu: right ? suppose you found your wife through chain of events thereby started. shall i ask you %q's about wife-finding now ?
mircea_popescu: usually i write to mock/amuse self not to select/instruct, tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform greatly depends on how inclined i feel lol. maybe 15ppm or so.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i usually read the extreme scores, if doing nothing in particular. not exactly a waste of time, the shit that gets dredged up...
mircea_popescu: the current estimate is about ~1 ppm, give or take 65%. which i'm sure she'll love to read in the log. howdy slut!
asciilifeform: i had nfi how to parse 'just message it'
mircea_popescu: (you understand, what she ~actually means~ is that i should send her whatever test i want her to take, ~in the form her Divine Mother taught her to test-take~.)
mircea_popescu: this is the point im making. before fetlife lulz, i thought as you do, "eliza a+ idiot emulator"
asciilifeform: there's, what, 5 or 6 things they emit ( incl. the 'i have a dom' , 'i am a dom', etc claptrap )
asciilifeform: wainot ? just seed the eliza with buncha variants of same garbage 'ugh i can't see what's in the msg box' and yer golden
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't conceive how this'd be mechanized.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 17:38 asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention. ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention. PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion. ELIZA:What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? ..
mircea_popescu: this whole fetlife thing has firmly convinced me i'd have been deeply unequipped to convincingly write a millenial before. one really needs to experience the unleashed stupid to be able to conceptualize just what garbage these shitstacks are.
mircea_popescu: LordMPofTMSR 38M Master 3h "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Violet13s 21F sub 3h 'Well whatever you said in the subject box I can't see so I have no idea what " intelligence test " your trying to have me show you. So I'm not really failing, if you want to find out my intelligence you should just message it.' ☟︎
lobbes: However, if anyone wants (once I get a proper keccak v going) I can make a private patch on request (a la http://trilema.com/2018/the-v-questionarium-answerarium-2018-edition/#selection-327.0-327.204)
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087) ☝︎☝︎☟︎
lobbes: anyways, I'm try this later on a sane os, and with a gnat < 2017 (will also re-read some of the recent gnat threads).
lobbes: btv: I wonder if just my strace is borked. here's the trace from vpatch < patches/eucrypt_genesis.vpatch >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GU1GJ/?raw=true
bvt: howeve i see that you are stracing a vk.pl, not vpatch itself. tracing vk.pl would give too much information, it would help to see only strace -f vpatch < patches/eucrypt_genesis.vpatch
lobbes: at this point I'm thinking I may just retry this on, say, the rockchip. I dun want to burn republican hours on what just may be debian/shitgnome strange.
lobbes: however I'm not sure even -strace- is working (or perhaps I'm just doing it wrong). for e.g. here's an strace of just "./vk.pl". It just hangs and gives nothing else (same as if I strace the press or just strace "cat /dev/null") >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QN42P/?raw=true
lobbes: diana_coman, bvt: this was indeed a newer adacore (from May 2018) https://www.adacore.com/download. I'm going to look into the tempfile thread alf mentioned. may very well be the same issue
spyked: hey trinque, you still on for changing rss bots? I should be around for another 30 minutes or so. depending on the number of feeds/subscribers, it may take me a while to check/add everything, so we could do this in two steps: you send me the subscriptions (pm, #trilema and everything else) tonight whenever you can, and then I'll add them tomorrow and fire up feedbot whenever you're available to turn off deedbot rss
bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template) ☟︎
diana_coman: hm, if it's indeed the tmp thing, it might be worth a try to press vtools to current leaf (i.e. vtools_tempfile_standalone or _notmp) and see if that cures it; my archive contains pressed vtools to ksum patch only, not further ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 20:52 lobbes: Since this was my first time using vtools, I used diana's "starter v" with the build.sh. Script ran fine, and vtools such as ksum are working. I installed GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/download (the x86-64 GNU Linux). I'm on my debian box, gcc version 4.9.2
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 20:09 mircea_popescu: but i mean, they had elaborate (and interesting) customs, how many scabs, how long to dry (fresh scabs pretty much communicate variola, but dry ones are safe because virions very fragile, readily inactivated by dryness), which nostril to use (girls got left), how to make the blower and what out of (silver) and so on.
lobbes: Since this was my first time using vtools, I used diana's "starter v" with the build.sh. Script ran fine, and vtools such as ksum are working. I installed GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/download (the x86-64 GNU Linux). I'm on my debian box, gcc version 4.9.2 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but i mean, they had elaborate (and interesting) customs, how many scabs, how long to dry (fresh scabs pretty much communicate variola, but dry ones are safe because virions very fragile, readily inactivated by dryness), which nostril to use (girls got left), how to make the blower and what out of (silver) and so on. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in any case it was never common, more of a rich folk giving young bride best chances sorta affair, "if i'ma spend a fortune rising this special camel it'd better sniff dead corpses" sorta thing.