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mp_en_viaje: bimbo (who watched walk of shame with us yesterday, and was very miffed at the whole premise -- "that dumb bitch, they even speak her language!" ; as one who has spent days exactly in the manner there depicted but in rando orclands, she's quite entitled to the pov) : "so... umm... i published an article... it's not very good..."
deedbot: diana_coman rated dorion 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://dorion-mode.com/
mp_en_viaje: but the part where in order to do thing x, you first have to do step 1, and in order to do step 1 you first have to do steps 1.1 and 1.2 ; and in order to do step 1.1 you first have to do steps 1.1.1, 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 staqu-quo protection very much IS.
mp_en_viaje: neways, the rotards are something the fuck else. i had to sick my people on them, because otherwise they have this nominally "passport in 2 weeks, no need of ye olde expediency fees", to be in line with the eu ; but then... waiting lists for the 2 week term to start, stretching like 3 months.
asciilifeform: fwiw mp_en_viaje made it quite clear in june '19 that he intends to close snsa. and this was part of the reason why i set up private rack, it will host phuctor in-exile, asciilifeform's www, and anyone else who has the courage and dun insist on marionette control of the entire thing simply as condition of hosting a box or 2.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-05 19:42:57 asciilifeform: (1) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 16:25:05 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off .
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/Wgnln << Raw incoming results 31.2 White Nationalists 36.2 Fat Forehead with 38.4 percent of the ballots counted. The projections the lcoal media is running because they won't show anything other than "projections" are 29 White Nationalist 38 Fat Forehead.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my focus to date has been 1) obtain and assemble the basic physical plant; 2) offer service to l1.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all of the expansion plans for which i have concrete #s, rather than 'wishes', are summarized. but 1st priorities are 1) service asciilifeform 2) service l1 (such that want in) followed by 3) all other forms of expansion.
asciilifeform meanwhile took delivery of 40kg crate containing 2 'dulap'. won't touch'em tho until wrap up current article.
BingoBoingo: 50/50 chance it gets dismissed right there and 1/2 to 3/4 of their potential maximum upside by pursuing action has been blown then and there. They have to be extraordinarily bad at math.
BingoBoingo: My routine when encountering new folks distributing national party voting lists that aren't bored kids working for Sartori is 1. They offer me their list. 2. I flash the 404 list "Ya tengo, pero gracias porque estas ayudando el paisito"
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-squares-and-the-holes-2/ << Trilema -- The squares, and the holes.
asciilifeform: Bingoboingo: here, 3 halls, 1 packed, 2 ~half-full, none was anywhere as hot or loud as latech at the time i went there
Bingoboingo: There was an east indian fella working on a 1/2 cabinet. He borrowed my pliers to cut something. Did not ask why I was emptying a cabinet.
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 15 hours and 2 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> can you add my www to feedbot-commentism roster plox ? ty
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948116 << ayup, precisely, usg paper asset thing, holding up a notional market.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: typically (esp. folx who can't be arsed to xor 2 #s..) comment re my own text in log, rather than on www. so got habit of this. but yer right, comments oughta go on orig piece.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
asciilifeform: apu1 equipped w/ 4GB ram and 2 cores of opteron.
asciilifeform: for mp_en_viaja, i have the choice of 1) standard rk, cum znc 2) apu1 w/ 1gb samsung ssd, cum znc, and in fact prepared trb on it also.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 10:22:51 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:18:47 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com
deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
bvt: but how much of cpu percentage would we want to dedicate to good hashing? if e.g. keccak is in place, what could happen (but only experiments will show) is that the bottleneck would be in the CPU -> if the system runs low on entropy somehow and self-hashes (which goes through the HG now, should it go through HF? (would also make sense from Size/2 decision rule)), we'd have an easy DoS vector against the
bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 02:31:48 mp_en_viaje: imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic
asciilifeform will post in #2 example scenarios for 'full occupancy' and what is required to permit expansion of plant.
asciilifeform will begin proper rework of costs draft #2 tonight. prelim. spreadshit however suggests that w/ 45% margin, three leased 'dulaps' already would bring in enuff to upgrade the tower (+20u, 10x pipe, 2x amperage) ~and~ remain in the black...
asciilifeform: diana_coman & mp_en_viaje are the king/queen of the prospective customer base, by weight, and so if no one adds anyffin in next few hrs, i'ma work w/ what's been given so far for draft 2.
diana_coman: I'll wait patiently for draft 2, there's no need for sneak previews in the logs or anything.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: moar in brief re expansions (will address pedantically in draft 2) -- they will have to be financed by actual revenue, and BingoBoingo-style auctions, i do not have massive capital (and what i have, is earmarked for physical irons, already ordered 'dulaps' and will be purchasing yet-moar of'em once it becomes clear that asciilifeform won't live alone in the rack)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re rk -- i included rk plant from the following logic : 1) it was best-selling product in era of piz 2) i am sitting on a crate of brand-new rk that did not get invoiced to piz or get to fly 3) pre-existing interest ( e.g. diana_coman's ) in inexpensive www mirrors.
asciilifeform will write brief nitpick, but most of it 100% agree, and will go into draft 2
mp_en_viaje: imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic
asciilifeform: aite, will then post mp_en_viaje's crit manually when wake up. ( and eat into draft 2, lotsa good point )
asciilifeform: 2.90 MB/s from my desk.
mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 13:52:57 asciilifeform: ( before this slips into the sands -- is pretty interesting... the 2 fellas broke off entirely ? )
asciilifeform: btw likbez note for other rack people -- it is ~very~ difficult to rack anyffin large/hefty w/out 2 pairs of hands.
asciilifeform: ( before this slips into the sands -- is pretty interesting... the 2 fellas broke off entirely ? )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946955 << this is actually pretty neat. talk to all of them, it's basically free business training for you, worth 1-2 months of us "college education" per sit.
mod6: Or at least subtract it from the cash total we're sitting upon. Then we'll also have a better idea of what we're working with in case this thing goes to #2.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 << since apparently 'open season' -- fella had 2 posts in 2+y , 1 (imho quite interesting) about getting dr.mengele'd , the other, incomplete cuntoo draft
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: alternatively i'ma supply the machine and roll it into the operating expense, and BingoBoingo does same, for 1/2 of the sharedhosting rev.
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: Let me know if your use of the LAMP discovers any weird, hard corners, etc. .htaccess for classic mp-wp rules works. No more weird apache 2.4 require statements. Good old allow, deny works
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:49:25 deedbot: trinque updated rating of mod6 from 2 to -1 << Makes sounds thought noble about nothing.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 03:40:32 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 - so what is the party you are making there in your hall? because so far the ~only visible part has been deedbot-related + unpublished code on it -> deedbot is the seed of trinque's party; now you say it isn't and 1. why isn't it? 2. what exactly is then?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 02:46:47 lobbes: anyways I'll start it off: you could stand to be more explicit in your communication. As it stands now I'm stuck assuming what you consider my flaws. From my perch I'm *doing more* now than I was in 2017 when you rated me at 2, so it makes little sense to me. And since I truly hate assuming, instead I won't even bother wasting further cycles until I hear more.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:49:25 deedbot: trinque updated rating of mod6 from 2 to -1 << Makes sounds thought noble about nothing.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 - so what is the party you are making there in your hall? because so far the ~only visible part has been deedbot-related + unpublished code on it -> deedbot is the seed of trinque's party; now you say it isn't and 1. why isn't it? 2. what exactly is then?
deedbot: lobbes updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 1
lobbes: anyways I'll start it off: you could stand to be more explicit in your communication. As it stands now I'm stuck assuming what you consider my flaws. From my perch I'm *doing more* now than I was in 2017 when you rated me at 2, so it makes little sense to me. And since I truly hate assuming, instead I won't even bother wasting further cycles until I hear more.
deedbot: trinque updated rating of mod6 from 2 to -1 << Makes sounds thought noble about nothing.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, is there some way to make deedbot wallet work within ~hour rather than ~days ? is there some way to make paste more like 20mb limit than the current wha tis it 2 ? 1 ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i took a naive stab at calculating the 'floor' for this locale. the util co charges presently 7.83 cents per kW/hr. the halftower is supplied with a 1.2kW baseline . 24*30*0.0783*1.2 ~= 70 $ of mains current ; warehouse sq. metrage goes for ~30 / m^2 here, this yields 100; and the remaining unaccounted for portion of price is then 295 , which presumably includes net pipe , upkeep of the grounds (maintenance, cooling, sla
asciilifeform: 'coloco' co. made the (so far , i've nuffin to dispute it with) claim that it's a regional nexus w/ 4 separate fiber hoses in 4 compass directions to 4 peers, 2 power grids, etc.
mp_en_viaje: if your machine mostly serves web, it loses an estimated 20-25 ppm to web being made of shit. meanwhile 2-3 per year comes to sub 1 ppq. it just doesn
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i only buy ecc, last thing i need in list of headaches is neutron . have enuff headaches. (ftr asciilifeform detects 2-3 ecc corrections each yr. per box.)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:46:23 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
ossabot: (eulora) 2018-07-21 mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1*24+2*25+19*21+120*20+1*12+4936*20+23*12+4*12+25*18+1300*20+9*11+4*3+17*21+69*20+1017*20+1470*23+1962*21+350*22+3*22+72*20+77*23+3*21+75*15
mp_en_viaje: a car will take 4 wheels 10 bucks each + 1 chasis 80 bux + 9 windows 2.20 + 1 engine 115 and our margin 20% comes to (4*10+1*80+9 *2.20+1*115)*1.2 = 305.76
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off .
mp_en_viaje: 2+3 produce 4 : to make 50k / year at 20%, one must generate 20k/month in sales
mp_en_viaje: 2. X being a commercial enterprise, will have a very clearly specified margin. "we charge 20%".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-17 16:52:03 asciilifeform: does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks
mp_en_viaje: wtf are they thinking it's anyone's guess (besides, of course, the fact that they've all been pizarro-ing the bed, the usercount has been dropping for 2 decades now, while the internet has been growing)
diana_coman: fwiw on irc-project, thimbronion contacted at least oftc, undernet, dalnet and espernet but because 1. he has to improve there 2. they are all into this wank of "us big networkz, no need serverz" , I'll have him get some proper data and write it up to have it in clear: set up some bouncers and log for a while all chans,
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom.
asciilifeform: fanless, 2-core 'amd g-series' box , vendor publishes 100% electric schematic . runs 100% blobless.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in rackables : 2 'apu1' w/ 1tb 'samsung' in ea. ( asciilifeform-gentoo or other filling at customer's option ) will be standing up. and available to sit on.
asciilifeform does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks
asciilifeform: these are w/ 256G ecc ram, and (slightly faster than the prev. but still pre-fritz) 2.5GHz, 2 x 16core .
asciilifeform: 2 dulap-style boxen set to arrive by end of next wk.
mp_en_viaje: i did say 3-5kg as those are all i ever tried ; but a ladies' 5lb version prolly just as good, w=mv^2 after all
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:43:50 mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:12:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945725 << fwiw i had dozens of sticks hammered into inexistence. you want a 3-5kg hammer, the first 2-3 hits expose the chips no matter what, the plasticovers fly like insect elitrae. then the chips become dust in 2-3 more hits, can count 3-5 sticks dead / minute in qualified hammerer hands.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
asciilifeform: cart and hydraulic crane is shared, 1 of each per hall, there's 2 halls.
asciilifeform: 2 battery rooms & 4 megawatt diesels.
asciilifeform: 22u (2 occupied by power an/ net panel) so yields 20 holes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 18:22:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. )
asciilifeform: mod6: i mention because it appears that BingoBoingo cannot simply put'em in 1-2 crates and mail, may trigger 'export' wank.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma leave it 1) up to indiv. subscribers, for subscriber-owned boxen 2) mod6 for piz boxen. if 1+2 add up to 4, then it is worth for asciilifeform to physically pick up. otherwise not.
BingoBoingo: Well, the LAMP thing has three moving parts that gotta talk to each other. mp-wp seems happier on apache 2.2 than the 2.4 UY1 had. But, that means cleaning up all sorts of version to version nitpicky breakages.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 nitpick -- for links that are in fact in 'era 2', i rec to point to the loggers maintained by the living. i've nfi where is phf and for how long his ghost ship will stay afloat.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. )
BingoBoingo: The apache version on anyserver from the 2.2 line which means mp-wp Deny, Allow statements in .htaccess will work as opposed to needing 'Require' statements as per UY1's apache 2.4
mp_en_viaje: more like 2-3 s yeah
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: even 'ha, you pay' comes in 2 variants, 'you get bill for $bil' and 'your acct empties in 5sec' , would at least like to know which before signing.