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mircea_popescu: i dunno, haven't been in a long time. was never much of a problem historically, but then again back then only cool people had cars anyway
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if BingoBoingo determines 'we need 4 dulap-class boxes by feb', asciilifeform will obtain, fly'em in, etc ) << I suspect more hardware is part of the solution. The Mocky mission to Qatar was a disappointment in the orc non-responsiveness.
asciilifeform: there's a reason i picked traffic light as example -- yes you can buy replacement parts from chinese, but to keep traffic actually moving requires at least 1 d00d in a cellar somewhere with an elementary understanding of impedance , graduated from diff eq kindergarten, etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they work until replaced. they're not "kept working" anymore than the earth's "kept rotating". guess what -- once it stops rotating there'll be a new set of gnats and motes. there's no "keeping", "fixing" etc.
asciilifeform: ( this being said, there ~is~ a population of folx who were built before 'soul warehouse ran out of souls' and they're working ~somewhere~ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only speak what of what i personally witnessed , but presently in the 'software' arm of reich you gotta march in half a regiment or moar, to hire 1 platoon of folx who can 'hello world'
mircea_popescu: literally, lacking the intellectual sophistication to a) put together items GIVEN TOGETHER ; or else b) realise their tools are broken to this degree.
mircea_popescu: you want "magical goldman sachs" to "resonant frequency" a system of the complexity of tmsr ; and then these people go hiring, and the hiring pool has SERIOUS TROUBLE going past banal "oh, would any girl do that keks"
asciilifeform: sorta what the heathen 'industry' specializes in, neh -- to convince erry http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873877 amoeba that she has a working microphone and 'audience' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this whole "social media" thing looks a lot broken-er than anyone realises.
asciilifeform: can kek, but asciilifeform is not a strategist, but only master of proviant, as it currently stands, and would be dangerously out of his depth if were to 'hey BingoBoingo, let's x , y, and z '
mircea_popescu: certainly not instantaneous. for that matter, no propagation is proven at all or anything. but rather than "mysterious alien forces", how about you know... "in 2017 we hadn't started building a house which meanwhile we did build, leaky roof y compris"
mircea_popescu: also didn't look like a bunch of inept dorks.
asciilifeform: ( although, physical-object engineering does offer a ~treatment~, if not cure -- when folx build bridges, they put in dampeners so the thing has a shot at dumping energy even if ends up 'pumped' )
mircea_popescu: what ~did~ you expect bitcoin/usd will do, if we're retreating on foundation, still not solved pizarro market communication a full year later, etcetera ?
asciilifeform: ( and no, i dun have a cure to offer if indeed it is so, it seems to come with thermodynamics and any proposed 'cure' is likely to kill the eater like qin shihuangdi's mercury pills killed him )
mircea_popescu: "singing" in this manner isn't nearly trivial, which is why say dogs don't do it. dogs do all sorts of things, but understanding glass as a system to the degree needed here is rather tall a fence.
asciilifeform: my q was , whether btc/orcbux have formed such a system; and if so, whether sumbody's 'singing' into it
asciilifeform: if 'a' and 'b' are in a 'trench warfare' situation where neither has decisive advantage and can slaughter the other, their interaction will form dynamic system, and oscillate ( as the wolf and the hare taught in diff eq kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but that requires a few joules kinetic and a few terrabytes gnoseologic. as in your quote with "needed dollar to turn screw and million to know whcih one"
asciilifeform: my picture was slightly different tho : consider how you can break a pane of glass with a few joules , that normally would not even be felt on other side, if pumped into it with minimal impedance mismatch (i.e. on resonant phase). as in the famous opera singer trick.
mircea_popescu: and this is a necessary premise of your theory, so i'm not introducing anything here.
mircea_popescu: whole point of "bumper crop" is that A.dorks arbitrary value for a is divergent from market value of a. nothing more than that.
mircea_popescu: do you see how the only outcome of this is B expanding its borders into A ?
mircea_popescu: so at the coming time, they declare they shall trade a for b at the specified ratio. and B had a bumper crop, and so B buys a lotta a.
mircea_popescu: suppose now that for whatever reason, A.dorks decided "they will know in advance" "when a/b ratio is high and when a/b is low.
asciilifeform: that's my whole trouble, i am thinking of it in strictly gametheoretical terms, and it currently seems to me that a sufficiently large holder can inject oscillations into the system which he can then ride.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's two countries, A and B. suppose they have their repsective currencies, a and b. obviously through trade there's at all points going to be some b in A and some a in B.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the question still stands. it stands ubiquitously and universally, too. your elder slavegirl brings in a maid, http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ style. what now ? who's on top and when and why and so on.
mircea_popescu: in fact, one of the principal signals of a dead (ie, divorced from reality) monetary system is...
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a forum in which the shinohais, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873354 shined forever. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "oh woe to me, of course mp is rich, he spent a summer with bitcoin at $2" "and what were you doing late nov 2018 ?" "oh, bitcoin didn't look good anymore ; i'll be back to woe my whine once it comes back up".
asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards
mircea_popescu: or of the "it's unfair that guy is a lord just because he read the call back when i wasn't born yet". or however you turn it, it's the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: consider for a moment bitcoin valuation in fiat was a monotone function.
mircea_popescu: hey, venerable sexuate reproduction worked well for all these years. every fifteen year old has a "secret" to share that's as unsecret as unsecrets can ever be.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 18:46 BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least.
asciilifeform: the imho misfortunate bit, is that for so long as they can http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782156 the waterfall, they actually ~have~ what to 'pssst, tell ya a valuable seekrit' to favoured orcs ☝︎
mircea_popescu: going by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871541 : is this also known, in "russian from odessa" bestiary, the thing where teenaged girl looking to mate "wants to tell you a secret" ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 / http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/ , cluckers -- go to soup, in all times an' places, but while there are cluckers , farmer eats well
mircea_popescu: hey, a thousand or two is exactly what usg should have, based on its situation in the world, truthful general importance and so on.
asciilifeform: my (admittedly nonexpert, i dun have a stable of mata haris to actually infiltrate the fuhrerbunker) model , is that reich has exactly 3 ways of getting hands on coin : 1 ) to mine ( not working so well, on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872801 ) ; 2) to whack somebody over the head an' take their keyz. also not doing so hot, e.g. http://qntra.net/2018/11/usms-lists-approximately-660-bitcoins-for-sale/ ; 3 ) to con idjits ☝︎
mircea_popescu: by now it's mostly a sort of "dao without mp's splooge up ass" "but dorks... it has it on the face." "only asshole counts now!"
asciilifeform: prolly 'lazy-evaluated', if mircea_popescu were to show up with a train load , they'll print with what to buy
asciilifeform: the 1 probe i can think of would be to try selling a bit of it an' see if it's bought; but i haven't any idea why to bother ( and would have to get some to sell in the 1st place )
asciilifeform: is the existence of 1 such idiot a necessary hypothesis ? or could be 100% wash
mircea_popescu: takes a minute to knock it in the head to match bitcoin. the relative weights are in excess of 1mn to 1, and yet some idiots somewhere still think ripple's worth more than a used car ?!
asciilifeform: prolly a team of 200 primo java monkeys already on it
asciilifeform: iirc i suggested this lul yrs prior, but would be hilarious if there were a parallel #trilema consisting simply of bots, 1 for each of us, fed with corpus of log lines + shannonizer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect one prolly ~could~ carry on a lengthy thread sewn strictly from trilema titles.
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy'
asciilifeform: the eliza thing, in particular the behaviour of the secretute who was given a whirl at the terminal, was 1 of those 'great advance warnings' of tech, sorta like edison's electrocuted drunk
asciilifeform: 'Later, in 1971, Colby, Weber and Hilf developed PARRY, another chatbot, but this time was a paranoid schizophrenic made to chat with ELIZA. So they hooked up at ARPANET (pre-Internet) and put them to chat together. ' etc
asciilifeform: tbf a buncha them sound just like.
mircea_popescu: aha. and then "fixed" and then "reverted" and then a few hours later "tried again".
asciilifeform: given as it was vps, dollars to doughnuts 'agent dickweed' was trying out a standard xyzbleed-powered vm escape, and hosed buncha processes, incl. trinque's
trinque: looks more like their backup service doesn't work and has been trying and failing to backup the box for about a day
trinque: this is a piece of shit vps on a service called vultr. the thing was being used as little more than a web-toilet which other services elsewhere use.
asciilifeform: trinque: funnily enuff , i was ~just about~ to buy a 'it is tempting fate to put ERRYTHING in 1 rack' box in singapore !
trinque: haven't a damned at the present. I'm just going to redeploy the thing clean elsewhere.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:43 mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 21:59 trinque: taking it the other way, now there's this process where trinque swears to whoever's ledger that asks (fee or not, doesn't matter here). this comes to signify something, trustworthiness, w/e., can go to wells fargo now and bring in this credit report to get a mortgage. now folks come churn deedbot to produce this empty signifier. later trinque is asked to you know, DETECT FRAUD, maybe with machine learning
mircea_popescu: suffices it for trilema to quote a verse, be it howsoever famous or popular...
asciilifeform: i dun know the specifics; supposing simply that retired boxer aint gonna run a node. therefore goxism.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, it's pretty fucking lulzy though. i mean, there's a long list of these defeateds by "fate", but he's one of the most hysterically humiliated humbugs. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( apparently game did not die under the thrust of alphagoism, but mutated into a kind of motor sport )
asciilifeform went as far as building a new box, with 3d card etc, to 'i'ma finally play that thing', then... realized he gotta write a numeric lib
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873714 << that'd be partricularly cool, considering it is a... virtual reality producer ☝︎
asciilifeform: but imho a vtronic acct system would rock
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 16:10 ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem"
mircea_popescu: seems to me way too much infrastructure for what's still less than a dozen accts with less than a dozen movements / interval in there. but hey, your corp, can't exactly say you don't learn from mistakes, so, if in a position to try things out this is a thing to try like many others.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, mircea_popescu do you think it'd make sense to keep books vtronically? or would it be a case of 'take the rifle to fishing'
asciilifeform: ( btw these are imho a luxury. i simply hate having to click 9000 links to get a tree , and assume other folx do also )
asciilifeform: i did sign a tarball fulla regrindolade last wk. but largely so folx know they get what i put in, rather than ball fulla patches + usg gnutar 0day impregnated in flight etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 22:41 asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873632 << i confess i entirely dun understand what you think a vtree is/does. none of your statements seem to be either relevant or correct, which... ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Also a local news story with a moral "Don't stick your dick in dry old bags kids": https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-menor-fue-apunalado-en-su-cuello-por-su-amante-una-mujer-de-50-anos-20181119155554
BingoBoingo: In local news: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-por-que-alan-garcia-eligio-a-uruguay-para-solicitar-el-asilo--20181119131633
asciilifeform: 'volatility is a tax' or how did mircea_popescu phrase it in the old days.
asciilifeform: trinque: i admit that i sometimes miss the days when the amt of shit i gave re what the heathen exch rate is, was the size of a hamster's . pizarro is the 1 bone in throat on that score, it runs on heathenbux and consequently sensitive to the weather, like a bad knee
asciilifeform: given as i'd have to release N almost-completely-identical patches each time i release a chapter
asciilifeform: it forced you to proclaim that the 6 are in fact new programs, because you turned a common knob and potentially changed their meanings, of all 6
asciilifeform: and yes it is true that if you write 6 platform variants today, and want to change the common trunk tomorrow, you will need to regrind all 6. but this is 'not a bug, but a feature'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:03 asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either
bvt: but i see how this is the correct process, and just a bit more optimized case of what i planned with branches diverging at the genesis (saves reader some labour of reading same vpatches in each branch). and if tree becomes to messy, can regrind.
asciilifeform: bvt: if you understand why bitcoin does not tolerate 'yes i'm on the same chain as you! except that i flipped a single bit in block 100, and really, honestly, nuffin ever depended on the tx where i flipped it!' -- you will also understand why v does not tolerate this either ☟︎
asciilifeform: bvt: it's in fact exactly the same thing that e.g. bitcoin does -- you cannot go back and flip a bit in block 100, and expect to be on the same chain as other folx, it'll correctly invalidate 101--present from your node's pov ( and your entire existence from other's pov )
asciilifeform: the 'one little thing' is only 'little' when ~nothing depends on it~ -- i.e. is an extension of a leaf node, graph-theoretically speaking
asciilifeform: v makes it possible to sign a compartmentalized change , so reader is not stuck having to manually diff contents of signed_foo.today.tar.gz against signed_foo.tomorrow.tar.gz to see where the changes were. but what it deliberately does ~not~ do is to enable the pretense ( carried on in git & other heathen abominations ) that a proggy where something semantically upstream of $place were changed, is ~same~ proggy ~but for $place~ .
asciilifeform: arguably v is a labour-saving device ~specifically for readers~, rather than writers, of programs -- if we were passing signed tarballs around, as we did prior to v, reader would be stuck determining exactly what changed, after manually verifying sig. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873666 << much of what seems to n00bs as 'unnatural acrobatics' in vtronics is in fact the actual and inevitable cost of writing proggies ~honestly~ -- i.e. without pretending, as the heathens do, that 'i only changed this one little thing, whatddayamean it's a new program now' ☝︎
asciilifeform: bvt: when you absolutely must publish mutually-exclusive variants of a thing, they oughta be v leaves, yes
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873583 << this is unfortunate, i won't have possibility to work on this code in coming days; there will be a vtree stump for ~2 weeks. ☝︎
diana_coman: keeping the trees in sync is probably cheaper than regrinding the whole thing anyway; and if /when it's not, then...regrind it as a single tree and that's that
diana_coman: regrinds are not evil or anything of the sort but they do have a cost ; and if you get others to sign your patches, the cost increases since you lose the original signatures basically
a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 11:50 mircea_popescu: experience kinda seems to indicate trying to have the same model for two things is a recipe for tears in this "industry" of apes and aping, but then again... man gotta try.
bvt: ftr, i don't expect that i will make this tree without a single regrind
bvt: yes, i can definitely see that. scope of the tree must be fixed at the moment of creation. which is not necessarily a bad thing.