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diana_coman: hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly
mircea_popescu: i doubt the problem's etiquette. seems to me much deeper issue than that, civillian pantsuit expects anything can be taken in "at his own rate" because his personal golden veal promised him there will never be such a thing as the calling in this world.
diana_coman: I suppose log etiquette is not obvious
mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 10:22 amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it
amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it ☟︎
asciilifeform: qt ( of last i saw it ) had a thin shim for opengl but iirc hat was all the '3dism' offered therein
mircea_popescu: but all this said, i see the "multiplatform" angle.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the question might be a little like "why are they all in flip flops, terrible design, utterly inconvenient, how the fuck is every dumbass on fetlife amange to pick em". ie, "pick nothing, it's what they had at the store. ALL they had at the store."
mircea_popescu: if this is the result of some kind of signalling, i'd like to know what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: no what i'm saying is : poor & stupid kids in peripheral village somehow picked same bit of entirely indistinct and utterly useless&dysfunctional flotsam as ibm.
asciilifeform: i misread , thought was re 'unity'
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Technologies << vaguely interesting to the entomologist, i guess. 100% vaporware, shit never worked nor was it ever useful. yet for reasons unclear it received the microsoft treatment, where usg.ibm started throwing money at it for no reason, rather than the http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ usual pump-and-dump scam treatment.
phf: asciilifeform, yeah i just included the patches in case there's something interesting there (i don't know what the overlap of patchsets is between machines)
asciilifeform: ( at the very least, is moar than i've written for it )
phf: (there are some other hacks in genera-src, but i don't want to investigate at the moment)
asciilifeform: he reminds me of that kanzure d00d, who 'look, i spent $2mil on microscope parts' 'so what didja micrograph?' '...'
asciilifeform: he wrote something ?! i had nfi
phf: i think he took a bunch of macro photos of random parts, and wrote a zmachine version 0 emulators, which in itself can be noted, if the rest of it wasn't so obnoxious
asciilifeform: at one time i actually went through his entire www, thinking to find even 1 shot of PAL/GAL with the sticker off, to identify the part. found 0.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'lisp engineer' (picture) is simply the most publicly-egregious example i know of . prolly there are others, similar, but with fewer lolcatpics
asciilifeform: also so happens also that the most recent piece of iron in the torture room , excluding FG, is from '09. ( the opterons in the box i'm sitting on nao. )
asciilifeform: phf: i got 1 of those here, lol
phf: i bought a barely used eizo cg243w from a russian guy. it was one of his last possessions (no work and didn't want to become a "corporate whore"), and he talked about how quality of everything went down and keeps going down and that you really only can trust 2009 hardware at the latest. i wonder if there are more people like that hoarding their prized bolix, but without yet hitting the necessity to sell one.
asciilifeform: for comparison, http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt is identical to the document i got from dks in '07. quotes 3.2k for the exact box i uncrated today.
asciilifeform: couldn't have all gone to the au recyclers, i dun think.
asciilifeform: i suspect it's moar like the high prices of illicit cell pnoje in jail. i.e. not high because megatonnes of money circulating, but because supply so thin.
phf: asciilifeform, that's entirely my impression. the xl that i bought went at asking price, because ^ wasn't bidding, the rest of them were bought by the same guy, and he was bidding against a handful of desperados. i suspect that the whole thing was a fluke, or rather the Rembrandt market was a combination of luck and skill on the part of dks
asciilifeform: phf: damned if i know. in as far as i can tell, the entire 'user komyoonity' consists of asciilifeform , phf, and a dozen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 's ☝︎
asciilifeform: possibly i'm the last archaeologist who didn't have 1 yet, lol
a111: Logged on 2014-01-19 19:38 asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
asciilifeform: ( it also came with the nic, so i'ma run it through x11. but will keep these around for later http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449479 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: in other noose, phf , mircea_popescu , et al, the bolix is here. dks packs a++ , princely, all parts on manifest , and kilometre of bubbles. will post photos as soon as i wrap up my albatross of this week, ch14
mircea_popescu: precisely. i have regular bowel movements that do not tend to interfere with my daily life ; but even so i still spend most of the day doing other things.
asciilifeform: sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter, this fabled wonder of the ages, the thinking man.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of variety out there, "i have a cuck, i'm marrying him" doesn't even top the scale.
asciilifeform: i thought it was mostly pokerists, and shirts rather than socks
mircea_popescu: i thought we previously agreed last time any actual design work went into computing the year was 1979
mircea_popescu: or "i, robot".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos
mircea_popescu: Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants “speed”. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880894 << thinking of this and the whole sns/hp nonstop etc thing : i suspect a large chunk of the way things went may be driven by a (naive, and not necessarily spoken) "what if machine becomes sentient and you cant' turn it off" phobia. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think her situation is rather typical.
asciilifeform: 'I come along with a cuck' 'I'm marrying him' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: i expect it's another dazed twenty-something.
asciilifeform: suppose cassette sat in trough of pb, 2cm or so in thickness. ( i.e. only path for photon onto paper, is through the $object )
asciilifeform: i.e. barely detectable output, will need relatively long exposure.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880896 << i figure 100metre of 1/d^2 oughta suffice ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:58 asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
asciilifeform: do i have to write own log bot nao on top of errything else ?
danielpbarron: huh? i am part of "a true church" -- idk where you got the idea i left
asciilifeform: also possibly i missed sumthing, but didn't danielpbarron schism from 'truechurch' ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card; once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f
asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( actually 1st item will actually be to ditch the ancient scsi hdd and replace with solidstate. i'd hate to lose the box to platter rot )
asciilifeform: plus i'ma need ivorytron with direct probes on the cpu lines, and there aint any room for such a thing in the orig
phf: i.e. get macivory working outside of macintosh context
phf: so you want to make a replica that plugs into same hardware? i thought you'd want to do a fake mac harnes first?
asciilifeform: ( i aint gonna stick to the period srams/drams, cuz that'd be simply dumb , each really belongs as 1 chip )
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i still dunno if the bolix people set the lock bit in those things or not; possibly they didn't even )
asciilifeform: what i could really use is some PAL/GAL src. if ever turns up. will make the affair go 9000x quicker.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools ☟︎
phf: well, you'll still have to xray some, because i barely have anything on macivory, but i'll go over the scans this weekend. i actually have (miracle of miracles) free weekend coming up
asciilifeform: btw phf i hate to repeat meself but am i ever gonna see that bolixgem you dug up, or will i have to get whole thing from xray
phf: i still remember one of the cobol guys pulling out random bits from it on day one and going "i can just pull a bunch of things and it keeps working"
phf: well, i appreciated it in theory, didn't have enough active drive to grok it, nor the necessary background
phf: asciilifeform: i worked on tandem for a bit (known by then as HP NonStop), i appreciated the architecture, but entire software stack was cobol
asciilifeform: the win, when there is a win, is that you can make the jesusbolt 'stateless', i.e. if particle whacks it, it resets and retries the last cycle rather than going into metastable strange
asciilifeform: ( i.e. box had multiple cpu that had to majority-agree re outcome of a cycle )
asciilifeform: specifically in re 'iron built for reliability', 'tandem' was interesting. i dun expect to ever lay hands on 1 , tho
asciilifeform: e.g. xerox lispm is rarer still ( and had own merits, which i pieced together 100% from docs and surviving photos and won't even go into in depth because approx as questionable as archaeology of merv... )
BingoBoingo: I dunno if that will work with your Russian physiology
asciilifeform: i gotta take to drink, so i can quit!11
asciilifeform: ( can laff if you like, at the d00d, but he ~does~ apparently have a blog. and it's even 1 that aint in 'lamp stack' , and i envy the pg load latencies.. )
mircea_popescu: but "here's the 256 serpent keys i want you to pick amongst" is not.
mircea_popescu: yes, "i move here" is tightly coupled.
mircea_popescu: do they check and signal when queue is fuller than some percentage << i expect the task manager will have to do this. not the wrapper, no.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not even sure whether a sender/receiver should be in fact part of smg_comms" << while this has merit, i'd still keep them in.
mircea_popescu: alright, i'm sold.\
mircea_popescu: well, i had thought you did it the other way lol.
mircea_popescu: i see.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I thought you got that?
diana_coman: my implementation is just a bounded queue fifo, 1 item at a time in /out; and yes, I looked again at Ada's standard stuff and I could use I think a bounded_synchronized_queue container but then it forces me to put/get full structure
mircea_popescu: well now i hafta go read this
diana_coman: i.e. yes, it could have been implemented as mircea_popescu describes if I didn't aim for this specifically
asciilifeform: ( 'priority queue', i believe. but from my brief look at diana_coman's posted item, it dun do this )
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the way I implemented it it's as asciilifeform says but the reason it is *this* data structure is because of intended use so linked to above
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that's precisely why I made it that way; I suppose it's not clear there at all but yes - because processing of rsa/s is meant to be easily and entirely separated physically, aka machines
asciilifeform: ( i thought orig mircea_popescu spec was 'keep rsa packets in own queue, so clearly cap the resource that is spent on'em'
mircea_popescu: hm. i suppose this is okay, really. scalable enough, if eventually we decide to get a s and a r machine, they'll just have their own queues and that's it.
asciilifeform: ( ffa is not threaded per se, but is thread-safe, dun allocate anyffing other than on stack, i.e. can be used inside a thread safely )
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, certainly should provide whatever diagnosis tools and equipment you want. i don't want to fill that in yet, it'll... come to you, as it happens :)
mircea_popescu: i see. not the best use of words on my part.