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mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what does carry flag ruin ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
asciilifeform: it isn't a straight imbecile mapping to the idjit cmachine cpu, as c is.
mircea_popescu: well, the part that's ada is ada and the part that dun work or isn't wanted in ada... isn't ada.
mircea_popescu: and so back to the original, there can't "not be alternatives" to gnat. leaving aside the in principle argument, there's alternative by example : expose the cpu instruction and woe to anyone who won't/can't/doesn't.
mircea_popescu: "doesn't go away just because intel stops including it" to ~same degree.
apeloyee: motherfuckers, there is not a single comp made in 40 years that doesn't have a carry flag. << *excluding non-actual computers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rs232 is a 1960s standard, and doesn't go away simply because wintel stopped including the plug on the mobo. and world's simplest and most widely-supported standard for digital comms, moar so than ethernet ( i have whole pile of devices with 0 nic but several serialports ) , and will remain, regardless of what wintel does.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 15:22 asciilifeform: FG is a straight serial device tho, it doesn't lock you into any particular form
mircea_popescu: maybe i didn't make the inline incantation sufficiently magical, but anyway. "straight asm", what'd you prefer.
mircea_popescu: i suppose ye age olde "i didn't know there was interest" at play.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: PeterL by his own admission didn't test the thing at all
mircea_popescu: aaand asm rotate is a straight asm item, it doesn't lock you etcetera.
asciilifeform: FG is a straight serial device tho, it doesn't lock you into any particular form ☟︎
asciilifeform: motherfuckers, there is not a single comp made in 40 years that doesn't have a carry flag. WHY YOU HID IT
asciilifeform: afaik there isn't a proper solution.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't yet know the answer to that; I'm still eating Ada so I can't decide either way; still, I don't ...like it, that's all I said; perhaps there is no solution to it, perhaps there is one
asciilifeform: it ain't pseudocode for anything useful
asciilifeform: if e & 1: t = (t*b) % m
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 11:27 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739374 << can you enlighten us about why you believe there's no way to use information about range of factors (because you say so?), and about the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739371 as regards the number field sieve, as this doesn't seem to be published (or perharps for quadratic sieve). elliptic curve does benefit from smaller factors, but if the...
mircea_popescu: other lulz, same source : https://blog.josefsson.org/2017/08/03/vikings-d16-server-first-impressions/ (apparently there's an entire kanzure 's wanker club dedicated to republican hosting ; vikings.net and whatnot. doesn't seem to be actually working though, but i did join their irc, see what happens.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 11:27 apeloyee: ...factors differ only a few bits in length, it doesn't appear to be better than NFS.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739432 << factors differing by only a few bits in length aren't particularily unsafe, which is why the original alt-rsa spec involved them (see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697613 and the eventual end of that discussion.) ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739412 << i don't think anything besides the stringing of words is seriously contemplated. ☝︎
apeloyee: ...factors differ only a few bits in length, it doesn't appear to be better than NFS. ☟︎
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739374 << can you enlighten us about why you believe there's no way to use information about range of factors (because you say so?), and about the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739371 as regards the number field sieve, as this doesn't seem to be published (or perharps for quadratic sieve). elliptic curve does benefit from smaller factors, but if the... ☝︎☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: it isn't small.
PeterL_: but isn't it easier to break knowing that they must be 2048b than if they could be anywhere within a wider range?
asciilifeform: it simply won't terminate until pq is 4096b.
phf: well, in a sense that it's not a special wrong. they also run systemd and can't wait for wayland etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: ah. alright. without prejudice to the principle, "can't make everything one single hairstrand", there's also the consideration that can't make the whole repuiblican scalp buzz-cut
mircea_popescu: when they become something they could have been but weren't, they'll be something else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your brand of logical here is inadequate. the matter isn't what things could be.
mircea_popescu: first line in install being "install this other thing" is generally an indication item present can't be genesised. maybe not an absolute rule, esp if multiple priors involved. but if just one...
mircea_popescu: well for one thing, logbot can't stand up without ircbot.
phf: oh and don't open link #3 that crashes everything!1
phf: i couldn't resist
trinque: nah don't think he had to patch
mircea_popescu: i can't see why it wouldn't be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wasn't even included in mine
phf: asciilifeform: it didn't, i just didn't realize that there was a proper genesis
mircea_popescu: well anyway, this'd be a great time to go through the slag, "items that didn't work list" see what other mpis are in there
asciilifeform: phf: if your thing wasn't able to parse it, i'd much like to know why
mircea_popescu: maybe his thing didn't eat it for some reason. ☟︎
phf: but oftentimes when i post a patch something comes up anyway. like the recent mpi release by asciilifeform is a vpatch, but it lacks a genesis, which breaks all kinds of assumptions (e.g. the tree visualizer wouldn't work at all)
phf: *don't rely
phf: well, that's fine by me, i think what happened is some other conversation got crossed over into what i was thinking. alf said you gotta publish, to which i responded with a very non committal "i'll think about it". but there were parts that i was thinking of publishing. specifically vpatch parser and presser both of which don't really on external tools, but accomplish the whole thing in memory. might be useful for further vtronics
asciilifeform: the current item, as i understand it, doesn't interoperate with wp ( or otherwise blogotronic )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 17:59 phf: asciilifeform: no haven't published it, it's a big ball of mud that in the gran lisp machine tradition lives in TMSR package, along with log bot, log visualizer, log database, etc. so if there's interest in any specific parts i can extract them into library and publish, but i've not been planning on publishing the whole thing
mircea_popescu: now, which of these two didn't you have in mind with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739048 cuz i read both in there. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: don't resent it ; instead, let's examine what this "ima publish" entails.
phf: mircea_popescu: no, publish meaning put relevant parts into patch visualizer, i otherwise haven't published anything. log/patch visualizer is presented as a service, as far as log is concerned the philosophy has been "write your own" and there's not been much interest in the v part until now
phf: mircea_popescu: it is (though there's an interruption in the chain that i need to regrind) that doesn't help me though, because it's the whole thing, rather than parts.
phf: because we don't have an equivalent available
phf: asciilifeform: no haven't published it, it's a big ball of mud that in the gran lisp machine tradition lives in TMSR package, along with log bot, log visualizer, log database, etc. so if there's interest in any specific parts i can extract them into library and publish, but i've not been planning on publishing the whole thing ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the important points here are a) scheduling. if we're in the middle of a conversation, low ranking rando won't make any friends by dumping comments re paste. if you had the decency to put it on blog, he can leave you a comment, which you can read when you have the time. major efficiency boon for everyone.
mircea_popescu: can't imagine why not, ada still uses fixed calling, you can't call by pointer-to-string or shit can you
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/#selection-91.5-95.0 << hey mp, shouldn['t this 12 read 19 instead ?
asciilifeform: in the given hack, you can't. hence i said 'does half the job'
mircea_popescu: how do i do anything beyond "here's a doodle, click 80 times in inept trees of documents like it's 1980 all over again and steve jobs hasn't yet come to put into abject slavery all sorts of retarded academiacs who really thought they had something to say" ?
asciilifeform: it won't win artistic awards but does about half of the job
asciilifeform: it doesn't do the hierarchical or line-numbering thing tho
trinque: asciilifeform: reintroducing structure atop the browser's dom isn't sensible, see: semantic web
mircea_popescu: ah you don't like scrolling right ?
mircea_popescu: consioder that for i in {1934360vii..1..12viii}; do usrix= << you can't fucking beat adnotated codelines jesus god.
asciilifeform: if a wwwtronicist ( ben_vulpes ? ) were to come up with a method of dropping ada into wp and getting out an item that doesn't wrap or truncate lines, destroy numberings, and allows linking to individual rows -- i will take off my hat
mircea_popescu: phase 4, when you are done writing code for A WHILE. it doesn't mean the code's good or bad, it means you personally will be doing other things. in this interval typically people discuss your 3 and stuff happens outside of your hands.
mircea_popescu: phase 3, when you are done writing code FOR NOW. this is traditionally the "refactor break". this is also when you publish, explaining other than the code what you did and why, in detail. this included "i tested so and so -- i didn't test so and so" as it includes "i asume so and so". countrary to patently false subjective intution, this is the MOST valuabler of all the phases.
asciilifeform: i was just thinking about this, this morning, during the 'declare' thread -- wanted to link to a particular item in ffa, and realized that i couldn't
mircea_popescu: just like in physics you can't say "5", a number, gotta say 5 WHATS ; just how BingoBoingo can't say "VAT", just so programmer can't say "here'\s code"
mircea_popescu: re the "I don't even know whether he tested it or how otherwise;" bit -- this is the sad effect of publishing pastes/github links etc.
diana_coman: oh, certainly; I wasn't under any illusion that ada==pascal, no; there is some danger in the perceived similarity too, basically the "false friend" type
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:34 diana_coman: I don't even know whether he tested it or how otherwise; also not sure if there isn't some way around using Strings.Unbounded
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738857 << his keccak.adb per se, didn't use it. it was in the demo routine, for file i/o ( entirely unnecessarily) ☝︎
diana_coman: I don't even know whether he tested it or how otherwise; also not sure if there isn't some way around using Strings.Unbounded ☟︎
mircea_popescu: o look, they don't. hm.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine brazil doesn't have something similar.
mircea_popescu: b) btc goes to $1. you're now on the hook for the same 3.5k, but if you didn't change the BTC to cash as you received it, you have no way to cover for it. this possibility makes just like a, people not want to pay long term.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738805 << see, this is the terrible habit of poor organisation. you don't say "VAT here is x%, and apparently can be avoided in so and so circumstances with so and so riders which works out to a minimum Y value past which it's worth doing". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738804 << mno, you can't get both margins. either you put your whole cost structure into the bottom line, in which case you charge that ; or else you put your recurrents into the bottom line, charge *2 and amortize your fixed costs out of the 2nd part of that *2. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: somehow the african notion of "famous" does not preclude the need to "give testimony". wouldn't i already know about him if he were famous ?
mircea_popescu: wer perhaps another user from before used the same nickname too << yes. someone else registered the nick, but didn't set enforcement on it. as a result you can use it (you don't get kicked by nickserv) but can't register it yourself. ask in #freenode if they're willing to move it over to you ; if not, find a diff name and register that.
trinque: isn't any method for changing a nick.
mod6: are you sure it wasn't you that set it up so long ago?
wer: i don't
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i've not worked as a caretaker of the profoundly retarded, neh, so can't say i experienced directly << Do you want to come visit before we depart for our seperate ventures? I can make introductions. Maybe even get you some shifts at the BingoBoingo store.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the double entendre is now a triple entente. << You probably wouldn't be interested in Miss trainwreck because height is in the range that is short for you and ergonomic for me
mod6: my first time in .mx many many years ago, i was like "Bimbo Bread? wtf, don't they know..."
mircea_popescu: aren't we like 100% to date ?
mircea_popescu: nothing is ever signalled ; not even one way streets. because the local never ventures outside of spaces it knows, so doesn't need signals. why not ventures ?
mircea_popescu: you may, on a novel road, wonder if it's a dead end. i don't wonder that. i know it's a dead end. because no CONCEPTION of grid, see. it's not that they failed to implement it. it's that they don't realise such exists.
asciilifeform: i've not worked as a caretaker of the profoundly retarded, neh, so can't say i experienced directly
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if there is nonchinese equipment for sale somewhere. unless you count the for-usg 'weight in gold' nonsense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps you don't know your own strengths.
doppler: I wasn't saying nice going to you guys :)
asciilifeform: 'What is Doina, you ask? Is it a candy bar? A protein bar? Does it contain meat, or is it gluten free and vegan? I. Don't. Know.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: it was that a) it didn't know what to steal (as per above re lisp) and b) it couldn't steal fast enough.
mircea_popescu: that was the level. the problem with the romanians wasn't that they couldn't steal -- of course they could ; nor that it was in any way immoral or dubious to steal -- holy hell, country-in-development trying to catch up with technology, a good half of the techs involved were sympathetic anyway.
mircea_popescu: things don't change just because new generation of lambs came out of pregnant ewes this spring like each othe rspring before it.
mircea_popescu: ro didn't really have agents in the us.