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mircea_popescu: for as long as
they can keep burning granpa's furniture
to power
the pretense machine, i suppose
they can keep pretending like
that matters.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it objectionable. it IS however disqualifying, for
their claims as
to
the self. in other words, i don't respect
them above chattels, and
there's a fine reason why i'm right
to not respect
them above chattels : right here.
ben_vulpes: i suspect
that i hadn't yet verified output against
the runs
that mircea_popescu posted
ben_vulpes: i left off before posting for some reason
that i cannot now recall
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of
the people buying belgian rubber concessions on
the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with
the hands and feet.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 16:43 mircea_popescu: much like you know, all sorts of "rng experts" not merely do not wish, but specifically wish NOT
TO examine FG. andf so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i intend
to open
that for implementation, let people (in wot only) bid, like candi_lustt worked oput.
mircea_popescu: (that'ds how it works, once not 4 players at
table one round, it ends.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will have
to have 4 for long enough, so it dun end
too soon.
mircea_popescu: much like you know, all sorts of "rng experts" not merely do not wish, but specifically wish NOT
TO examine FG. andf so on.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:48 asciilifeform: show me
the 60y.o. who 'test me!1111'
mircea_popescu: that';s what i mean, it's really very minimalistically built for
the purpose of showing a set of idiots
they;re idiots.
mircea_popescu: especially
the "arbitrary" epithet is meaningless -- anything seems arbitrary
to
the disinterested. and otherwise, everything's a prng etc.
mircea_popescu: not clear what relation exists between what you're
talking about and what we were
talking about.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 03:18 asciilifeform:
the 'formulate as predictor' came from asciilifeform's ongoing regular stabs at breaking shitoshi's rng.
mircea_popescu: ie,
this model GIVES AWAY what
the ourdemocracy retards imagine is
the whole job, and leaves
them
to you know, apply "jus'
the facts"
mircea_popescu: but
the fact remains -- you have "The book" ie a complete description of
the god machine. all
that's left is
to you know, apply
them "just
the facts" in context.
mircea_popescu: no, you get
the info, you just don't directly get how it relates
to you.
mircea_popescu: in fact, every single player
that spends 256 rounds finding out
the functions achieves
the historical goal of all human science. in
this alt universe, it's not "ars longa" etc, it's a specified, 256 step process.
mircea_popescu: you can, for instance, obtain
the complete and correct list of
the functions in
the machine.
mircea_popescu: whole
thing started as a dispute re
the practical meaning of learning.
mircea_popescu: hey, i already made a game.
this was
the reality
teaching
tool.
mircea_popescu: it just fails
to be biased in favbour of internet-shithead-generation nonsense, wikitardia et all.
mircea_popescu: so if anything,
the model is biased re
the
theoretical possibility of learning, by overstating it.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- it's not just
that
there's A LOT of leakage of actual information from universe
to player. it's
that irl
there's provably less.
mircea_popescu: that's
the fucking point. as bama well observed, "my old man used
to gamble when he plantted his field and prtayed dfor rain. i figure if a man's gonna gamble, might as well do it without plowing."
mircea_popescu: moreover i imagine ima actually work it like
this : anyone can add as many agents as
they wish for 1 bitcent per ;
total pot minus what
the simulation costs is divided
to
top scoring agents.
mircea_popescu: "no better
than chance strat exists and you can't prove
this."
mircea_popescu: and it keeps going from
there, next step eg (-2 * 35 * 7 x + 14 * 35 * 7) / 16**2
mircea_popescu: you end up with fn initialized as say -2 x + 14 and
then on
the first pas it becomes say -2 * 35 / 16 x + 14 * 35 / 16
mircea_popescu: the state is kept as bytes, except for a and b parameters of linear functions, which are reals, and which change
through division by ints.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem
to me
the model as described does in fact generate reals properly from rng.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point here is
the deux-pez is not a fully computable machine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, EXCEPT when
trying
to model reality.
mircea_popescu: but imo in
this application,
the problems of reals actually are used, for our purpose.
mircea_popescu: and i see no way out of having reals sadly, because gotta vary
the function list somehow.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 04:22 mircea_popescu: btw @all, lemme know if you have complaints/comments re
the whole b itcoin learning
thing before it gets drywalled.
mircea_popescu: you should see
the coffee here btw. it's fucking incredible.
mircea_popescu: dork wasn't perceiving itself as part of a cheapo corporate culture ; on
THE CONTRARY!!!11
mircea_popescu: culture shock of all
time, when mp ran into barrista, pointed out
to her
that he didn't give a shit about what her supposded name is either, when
they started
the whole nametag crap in
the 70s.
mircea_popescu: the incomprehensible part is where
the parents don't chain
them naked
to posts and whip
them until
they escape or die.
mircea_popescu: except it's not "i can't decide what
to do", it's "i've decided
that being a fluffer's handmaiden is below my level. i'm not willing
to kill myself over
this apparent failure of
the world
to contain anything fit for me, but i'll shamble about aimlessly for a while maybe something sticks"
mircea_popescu: i believe it, if nothing else
than because i saw
this dorkette.
mircea_popescu: as
that dude selling out in 1929 pointed out --
there are people you really do not wish
to commune with. by
the
time shoeblacks are buying stocks, stocks are for shoeblacks.
mircea_popescu: first
the chicks with great
tits show up, and make a party out of a desert.
then
the chicks with ugly
tits hear about
the nice
tit hangout and go
there
to
try and sprinkle some nice on
their sad bosoms.
mircea_popescu: i'd say
that's fair, 70s us vs 2010s us might as well be different planets.