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mircea_popescu: hey Mocky : i need a buncha noob clicks done in eulora ; can you spend a coupla hours one of these days ?
billymg: i mean, the second needs it now in any case for the "no newline" spew, but had that one been fine, what would've been preferred for remedying the one before it?
billymg: wondering about proper V process though, this is back in the previous patch i published to add the text selection feature, does this mean regrind both?
billymg: i also noticed that the selection-magic.txt (which is to be renamed to selection-magic.php) ( http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/selection-magic.txt ) contains comments at the top marked with // that are not parsed as comments because they're outside the <script> block
billymg: hanbot: thanks for checking it out, i'll take a look at the "no newline" issue and see if i can get rid of it
lobbes: auctionbot was down for ~9 hours today (back online now). I'm going to give a 100 ecu per auction hour credit to everyone who had auctions going during this downtime, since no one could put in bids during that time and I don't wanna charge fees for those hours. Thinking I'll make this standard policy going forward
asciilifeform: this means not only slightly slower gcd than the draft posted earlier (it'll need a mux) but it also means that e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_qshft__adb.htm#111_14 was in fact leaking, albeit undetectable on the tests given in ch14, and will need mandatory HaveBarrelShifter = 0 (i.e. 5% or so penalty)
mircea_popescu: i know of no project that can say same over half decade.
mircea_popescu: also, remarkably stable, i've not had to fiddle with the original ftjam, client compiles today same exact way it did back then. which...
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says -- i'll believe
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does it work in that 'it worx, and 7 others previously barfed' or 'it was 1st i happened to try and it seems to work' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read the link from earlier, made sense
asciilifeform: there are so many and I'm only one << i admit that i'm a little curious why diana_coman & mircea_popescu dun enlist Mocky to carry on client dev -- but it's not my biz , if they dun feel like going into subj, i won't cry
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 15:36 asciilifeform: last night i re-read diana_coman's piece on m-r , it is interesting just how much sweat diana_coman had to put in simply on account of koch gnarl
asciilifeform: i find it interesting just how many half-working substitutes for gnumake folx have written
diana_coman: and yes, I'd much rather use gnatmake for the whole pile of shit but atm the idea was to focus on a *different* part of the shit, since there are so many and I'm only one
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suppose www.perforce.com/documentation/jam-documentation will explain that in triplicate
asciilifeform: btw it is possible to build cpp with gnatmake, believe or not ( i only tried for simplest case, but does work )
diana_coman: ffs jamfile shit: I did not have a space between lib name and ; so it...silently ignored it and ate my time grrrr
diana_coman: I suppose I can further look at what gprbuild does for standalone libs and then force it into what I want but ...
ave1: I can do some experimentation, but this will take a bit longer (got to go now...)
diana_coman: I'll have another look at any rate, can't hurt
diana_coman: ave1, hm, I did look in there when I made the first go aka I compiled step by step the whole thing; but I don't recollect any real alternative to the standalone lib if one wants to pack the code really
ave1: hmm I was talking to feedbot to up myself
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 17:06 mircea_popescu: "But the type conversion rules for pointers are not so easily duped; there are no "classwide pointers" (thought perhaps life would be different if there were!). " << motherfucker on a stick, i want "classwide pointers" ie, "this door ambiguously links to any of the mcdonalds not any specific one" as i want to wake up to being assfucked by chtulhu.
asciilifeform: ( observe that ch1 ffa actually starts out by http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-337.0-1150.0 , i.e. banning 90% of ada.. why didja suppose this was. )
asciilifeform: i have even moar wtf items in my collection.
asciilifeform: the world of the folx who wrote ada for moneys in the saeculum, is not , as i gather, a happy place. sorta why asciilifeform had to learn buncha things from 1st principles, rather than by reading their ugh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta why i suspect 'greybeard'. prolly he also had a 200kloc (or 2e6...) that had to be dealt with as-is, pointerola & all.
mircea_popescu: am i the only one to whom this seems like going the exact wrong fucking way ?
mircea_popescu: "But the type conversion rules for pointers are not so easily duped; there are no "classwide pointers" (thought perhaps life would be different if there were!). " << motherfucker on a stick, i want "classwide pointers" ie, "this door ambiguously links to any of the mcdonalds not any specific one" as i want to wake up to being assfucked by chtulhu. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect he was 'old guard' (ada greybeard) and the bottle took its toll.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 23:38 asciilifeform: typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively : type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr; procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed. Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.'
asciilifeform: re: ada elaboration, i found http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741485 item useful when i was last puzzling over subj ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally i cant think of any reason it wouldn't work exactly same with mysql, with the exception of where i dun yet know how to do the o(n log n) indices in mysql
mircea_popescu: nah, i'd hope phuctor's better interfaced.
asciilifeform: (i.e. cut into sections that can run reentrantly)
asciilifeform: i strongly suspect it'll have to be de-threaded to work reliably with ada-cum-tasks , sadly
asciilifeform: oh i recall
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that even if you get the thing to properly link, you will discover new headaches on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885177 . really imho proggy that has ada tasks oughta have ada main , and (if must) call static cpp turdola, not vice-versa ☝︎
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886104 -> I seem to have missed this; ave1, did you find a way to expose the adainit for static libs? ☝︎
asciilifeform: last night i re-read diana_coman's piece on m-r , it is interesting just how much sweat diana_coman had to put in simply on account of koch gnarl ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/i-think-it-might-be-the-case-im-becoming-pretentious/#comment-127374
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 11:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885856 << i was having some trackpad issues in india (macbook's trackpad would stop working after about an hour outside), which made me contemplate problems of mousing at sea, which made me think that it's likely that someone makes rugged trackballs for industrial application. imagine my surprised when i discovered that someone actually does.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886056 << i tried and failed to find & buy whatever it is they make for the sea ( why settle for konsoomer plastic ) but no dice, it aint gettable anywhere ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( mine has no elaboration . but i escaped using all sortsa things )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 11:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 << you can also switch between three acceleration modes by, i believe, holding middle button and clicking right button (or similar, should be in the manual)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886058 << i set mine to max when i uncrated it, but noticed that 'overshoots'. turned out, they aint acceleration modes, but pulses-per-radian, and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 actually made it feel proper (i.e. can turn the roller 2pi, and then -2pi, and come to same pixel ) ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 11:14 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886060 << ah ty phf , precisely what i wanted to learn ☝︎
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/i-think-it-might-be-the-case-im-becoming-pretentious/ << Trilema -- I think it might be the case I'm becoming pretentious.
diana_coman: i.e. have it as a procedure, exposed and accessible from cpp
diana_coman: or at least none that I'm aware of
diana_coman: i.e. if you want to call ada from something-else main then you don't really have any choice that works other than this
diana_coman: it has a donkey-horse as far as I can tell: a dynamic lib does not include all the code it requires so you'll need to further link /distribute stuff
diana_coman: the encapsulated part means it depends only on static libs at least (or so I read in the docs...)
diana_coman: with the standalone encapsulated dynamic lib approach, I got it to work
diana_coman: in other eulora-client headaches: to get the cpp client to use my ada lib (that I want to keep separate! away from cpp swamp!), it seems I need to make my lib "standalone encapsulated dynamic"
mircea_popescu: imagine my surprise << i can imagine!
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:36 asciilifeform: hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night..
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing ☝︎☟︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 << you can also switch between three acceleration modes by, i believe, holding middle button and clicking right button (or similar, should be in the manual) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 16:48 asciilifeform: i dunno how phf ended up into it tho, iirc he dun cad
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885856 << i was having some trackpad issues in india (macbook's trackpad would stop working after about an hour outside), which made me contemplate problems of mousing at sea, which made me think that it's likely that someone makes rugged trackballs for industrial application. imagine my surprised when i discovered that someone actually does. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 04:53 hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886041 << not a bug anymore (last year it was printed as a warning with no effects on the patch, effectively forcing newline always. i then adjusted vdiff to put correct "\ No newline.." directive, while vpatch knows to omit final newline when that directive is present) ☝︎
lobbes: ty for helping me think this through trinque (and for the work on cuntoo in general. I'ma keep at this thing)
trinque: no idea, maybe passwd file manglement somehow. I'll look forward to what you find
lobbes: trinque: I agree that I could use a more substantive grasp on the script as a whole (and will indeed study moar), however I want to say I'm at least understanding the bit in "create_user.sh" where it calls useradd and passwd, and then adds the $USER to etc/sudoers. I'm just missing -why- the user/password I set through useradd/passwd wasn't working when trying to login. Probably something elementary
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 04:31 billymg: hanbot: i put together a patch for the svg links mentioned earlier: http://billymg.com/2019/01/mp-wp-vpatch-update-internal-image-references-to-point-to-svg-extensions/
hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch? ☝︎☝︎☟︎
trinque: I'm still gunning after the nondeterminism in the genesis.
trinque: I recommend you read it, understand what it's doing, and then talk about it from knowledge of substance rather than knowledge of surface.
lobbes: trinque: fair enough, but then I should be able to login with that user right? Or at least chrooting in and setting the root password should've worked (I'd imagine)
lobbes: wb mod6. I also look forward to reading your keccak regrind post (hopefully I can sponge some useful info)
mod6: *nod* I appreciate that asciilifeform, your eyes on such things always are a Good Thing. Not long after I post it, I'll be looking for people to help test the updated HOWTO guide too if anyone feels so inclined. (Please reach out if interested.)
asciilifeform: neato mod6 , i look fwd to reading
mod6: Thanks mircea_popescu, I appreciate that.
mod6: And I think that makes sense, this isn't my personal project. How this work was done for the foundation should be a public facing thing, and reviewed by people before vpatches published.
mod6: Yeah, have already reground, indeed. This is a write up of how I did this.
asciilifeform: or do i misread, and mod6 already reground, and writing re how.
asciilifeform: mod6: at the risk of sounding like mircea_popescu in earlier thread -- why is this a mega-project ? i reground ffa to keccak in about 10minute (after getting hold of a working keccak-vtron)
asciilifeform: ( i find what e.g. mircea_popescu said in 2014 , interesting, but not xyzputin3333 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i not only gotta write proggy, but to make sure that it makes sense to people
asciilifeform: i dun have the necessary figure yet. hence 'i'ma come back'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform IF rm doesn't take much time, THEN i don't see the point of doing any gcd. because r-m is a complete test for what we need, and gcd is not.
asciilifeform: i'ma come back to this binomial once i have the m-r.
asciilifeform: grr, moar complicated than i initially pictured, because m-r ~also~ demands rng
asciilifeform: i dun have the m-r yet, so cannot give the equation quite yet.
asciilifeform: i.e. to save on r-m time.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the point.
asciilifeform: i'd be satisfied with gcd as initial sieve (given that i have one that dun leak anyffin) ~followed~ by m-r.
asciilifeform: let's say yer baking one of the p, q of a 4096bit rsa mod. it needs 2048bit , i.e. 256byte of FG. a standard FG at room temp shits out 7kByte/s. therefore 256 / (7 x 1024) ~= 0.0357 sec., for a fillup of candidate register.
asciilifeform: on a box with 1 FG, the wait for a random fillup of a e.g. 2048bit reg, i suspect dwarfs the runtime of stein (and possibly even of m-r, dunno yet)
mircea_popescu: i can, and i do.
mircea_popescu: i'm just bitter.
asciilifeform: ( and it aint a lie, i studied the burroughs arch, indeed was non-overflowistic iron )
asciilifeform: ( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: alas, poor yorick. i knew him, horatio...