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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes !!up and then !!v +5 mins ?
BingoBoingo has a simulated alf in head that complains Supreme Court review is too slow for Trumpreich to overturn all of the shitty lesser courts on everything
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: unless the bot is to stay down until the op awakes?
hair_soup: aaaand there it goes.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless) ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: very trivial to make fixed time upping after all.
mircea_popescu: well, obv this is at teh ops option. but i'd have imagined that not excepting.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674940 << excepting the special case of the bots ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1762...0867 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ) ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD542B4BEF18F141C7B6941F77348DB7B711C2E59FD22B9BCF8389711074965 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1462...2939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.24.157.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.24.157.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (exchange.piccollo.cz. CZ)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:02 asciilifeform: for one thing, there IS NO SESSION in gossipd (either my concept or either of mircea_popescu's two essays)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674709 << it's not clear to me what he means by session ; might be some internal-only thing (eg, lifetime of particular sig) which isn't breaking. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 00:57 asciilifeform: sina: one of the things gossipd needs is a constant-time-constant-space rsa. if you don't have one, enemy can derive your privkeys remotely based on timing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least they get buggered sore like a hobo's whore. that + gallo pinto > what they got at home.
mircea_popescu lolzd at the whole shoe problem, because nicaragua has a healthy contingent of dumb white whores who went there to suck native cock and "get in touch with teh earth" paddling around barefoot in the streets and "learning" the "fascinating" how to twist a necklage together "antique traditional skills" sandy invented last decade.
mircea_popescu: coding without v and without #t. how do they do it, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-25 17:01 mp-en-managua: apparently fucktards learned nothing of the doge slaughter, still believe "promotion" matters.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 23:02 phf: nah, that's your monthly occurrence.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 20:07 asciilifeform: from earlier, lulz, 'In April 2017, an unexpected and disruptive change was made to the MIT network: the sale of historically MIT-allocated IP address ranges to external entities such as Amazon. The sale wasn't announced to the MIT community until after it had taken effect. '
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674638 <<< it's a good thing that the successful introduction of ipv6 rendered such considerations mute. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 17:29 asciilifeform: if 'full builds are infeasible', your tree is mis-structured.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674592 << moreover, these are data containers, non reflective non recursive what's the similarity in tyhe fgirst6 place ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( for n00bs : 'hyperthreading' attemps to marshal 'resources unused by the current instruction' - say, the ALU during a memory fetch - into becoming, through sleight of hand, 'a cpu core' that is , while said resources are available, behaving as a cpu, executing instructions )
asciilifeform: code that is built with awareness of the pipeline ~cannot~ leave any room for ht to have any useful effect - elementarily
asciilifeform: it does 0 to well-written code -- other than slow down, and -- behold -- sometimes breaks semantics entirely
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674906 << ht is not a legitimate concept, like, e.g., pipelining, but instead an ill-conceived attempt to speed up 'winblows as it existed at the time' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:28 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674899 << lol it takes time to generate commentz, i not long got back from long lulztrip ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 17:07 erlehmann: i am willing to abandon my redo efforts if v maketron suits my needs better. does there exist a v implementation in <500 lines of shell?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674534 << you can definitely make this in an evening by simply translating the extant lisp/python iirc impls. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674511 <<< sadly this question is not unlike asking "has multiplication ever actually worked". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:38 asciilifeform: they spent it all on... ethertardium?!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 asciilifeform: 'Ever since IS&T started to undergo "The Transformation", there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt to change Computing at MIT for the worse. Services that have been relied on for years have been discontinued and turned down, frequently without notice. Infrastructure critical to running MIT has been outsourced to cloud services during "emergency maintenance". Most of these changes had minimal impact on students and faculty,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 trinque: clearly needs to upgrade to the f35, it's 19 better.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674488 <<< for some reason the illustration featured a hercules, which is a prop not a jet, but w/e. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/06/supreme-court-lifts-lesser-court-injunctions-against-trump-travel-bans/ << i take it asciilifeform had no comment ? :D ☟︎
mod6: yeah, seems like hardly an accident. supposed to talk to the goddamn thing. as if.
asciilifeform: hard to picture such exquisite torture implement arising through mere happenstance
mircea_popescu: you're prolly supposed to speak it or who knows what shambling idiocy.
asciilifeform: the latter must've been designed as an active fuckyou to people who actually enter text
mod6: yeah, those are, like you said, like pounding on concrete
asciilifeform: mod6: even rubbish membrane kbd that came with my 486 -- beats crapple lappy
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 12:37 erlehmann: sina have you checked all your input against a formal grammar today?
asciilifeform: mod6: which is this
mod6: i really like the new kb i've been using. took a little while to get use to, but hands feel good after all day typing.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 09:58 sina: if anyone wants to play https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674428 << i'll do this tomorrow, too displaced right nao for such werks. ☝︎
mod6: it's the worst.
asciilifeform: crapple kbd is egregiously, insidiously deadly, has ~0 'give', is rather like pounding a table
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 05:39 ben_vulpes: on the "laptops suck" thread, now that i'm using an adult workstation most of the time, my hands start hurting after a bare thirty minutes on a 13" laptop kb
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why i said to d00d, 'don't be disheartened '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, kinda what i meant yest. while he's actually trying to implement, he discovers these things. the result may not be usable, but its building will have been useful. otherwise his only option is to nod along, not really comprehending what he's agreeing with, or to "rebel", and have "his own opinion", except also not really comprehending what he's talking about.
asciilifeform: sorta like 'shit stuck to bottom of shoe' is 'shit', and never snack
mircea_popescu: gossipd should hot be able to discover peers. (if you think about it, the ability to discover peers is another way to say "leaking data").
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 01:02 sina: but this presents a chicken/egg problem, where the peer "initiating" the addition will need to then advertise that key to the other peer and wait for a key back, and then initiate an update to the peer data to add in the advertised pubkey
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./ ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: it dun wanna go so easily, that's fo sho.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to sewage : the thing civilised people generally fail to appreciate is just how insistently shit sticks to human agglomerations.
mircea_popescu: ah ah. too much abdomen for how sad their ribcages were.
asciilifeform: which detail then
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: i expect the dysentery to get them first though, judging by certain anatomic details.
mircea_popescu: tis true. bigots = fixated people with beards you couldn't convince of your reasonable position, such as "the rabid dog doesn't bite" on the grounds of it not having bit yet, or "marrying your first cousin is fine" on the basis of hey, cunt that doesn't scare me! ☟︎
asciilifeform: did the kidz also droop salivate
mircea_popescu: and yes, the root is common.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674362 << speaking of bigots : so i'm walking with girl through utter shithole, true poverty area. stench of sewage in the air, houses made out of $200 in materials and so on. i spot a rabid dog by that sure sign of drooping salivation, so i go in between and keep my eye on it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why ty
mircea_popescu confirms that indeed js-of-mp and mp-en-managua are legitimate mps
sina: vulnerable to what, exactly, is the question? I am struggling to see how timing can be ascertained from that kind of model, but it's only a thought experiment so I can steal your brain juices
asciilifeform: this is like the perpetuum mobile. you cannot argue your way out of fundamental constraint.
asciilifeform: if you're sending bits from one to another, and using crypto that branches-on-secret-bits -- you are vulnerable.
asciilifeform: it doesn't matter what they are connected with.
asciilifeform: if they are connected, and communicate, they are not time-independent
asciilifeform: describe what they do, and how connected
sina: fine, what if we assume two independent computers ☟︎
asciilifeform: and memory accesses will take variant time based on recent operations, by any and all threads.
asciilifeform: 2) you might have a box with 2+ cpu where the scheduler puts both of your processes on 1
asciilifeform: it is not possible to make guaranteed-independent-timewise processes
asciilifeform: already you have made an assumption that is false on all extant hardware
sina: messages are to be delivered for a given peer or set of peers.
sina: Imagine two independent processes. Process #1 is going through the list of peers and generating encrypted payload for unique peer key since last seen. When the payload is generated it places in outbox. Process #2 is running every N interval (1s example sure) to accept connections and deliver payloads from outbox. If for some reason Process #1 doesn't complete operation in time, it simply appears as if no
asciilifeform: illustrated in the earlier link.
asciilifeform: and the way to provably do this, is method called 'constant time arithmetic'
asciilifeform: you gotta say 'it will return answer in EXACTLY t units of time, no less AND NO MORE'
asciilifeform: UPPER as well as LOWER, that is
asciilifeform: sina: making 'constant time rsa' by trying to bury the rsa in a fixed 'box' of time, only works if you can guarantee LOWER bound of how long the rsa ops (ALL of them, till the end of time) take, as well as UPPER
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F26286E344AAD5DAC3259412DFD76A915DC0CA95AE6C819CC7F33B760D99DD19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...2949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.128.149.20 (ssh-rsa key from 62.128.149.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ecg.co.uk. GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F26286E344AAD5DAC3259412DFD76A915DC0CA95AE6C819CC7F33B760D99DD19 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1593...2599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.128.149.20 (ssh-rsa key from 62.128.149.20 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ecg.co.uk. GB)
asciilifeform: arbitrary 'don't report the answer for T units of time' doesn't work, because you have no hard assurance of no spill. ☟︎
sina: I'm not sure I explained correctly. Please let me try one more time.
asciilifeform: if i have this knowledge.
asciilifeform: and it is == as not having the box.