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thestringpuller: so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching"

asciilifeform: for a 'legit' firm, that keeps a single set of books and files taxes, etc

asciilifeform: trinque: (a token sum was collected, but no one could be evicted for any reason short of death or having new digs in prison)

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i don't even work at a place where they ask the question any more

decimation: asciilifeform: surely you get paid a little extra

thestringpuller: 401k is a scam

danielpbarron: a sim city still set to defaults

mircea_popescu: generally a very poorly implemented one

mircea_popescu: any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy,

decimation: moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway.

mircea_popescu: netscape is a fine example.

adlai: i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape)

asciilifeform: but what if the lab is not a lab, but a bomb whose entire purpose is to trigger earthquake

assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043311 << "moving the market", in professional language "slippage" is not a desirable phenomenon but the bane of all existance. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: almost all american programmers of a certain age once wrote lisp of some description

mircea_popescu: iirc he started out as a lisp hacker.

decimation: asciilifeform: he strikes me as a washed-up do-o-crat

asciilifeform: i have always had a mild dislike for jwz and was never able to articulate why

mircea_popescu: yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over.

decimation: apparently jwz's main business is running a club now

asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎

assbot: 6 results for 'babbage' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=babbage

mircea_popescu: since im in a ftr mood apparently.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this ancient fallacy has a name: 'dwim'

mircea_popescu: not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to.

decimation: mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's

assbot: 40 results for 'foia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=foia

decimation: yeah it was a stolen reimplemenation of cp/m as i recall

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: dos was not, properly speaking, a microshit product

asciilifeform spent what must have been a whole year playing with it as a kid

thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i love old microshit tho. found a copy of 3d studio R1 from 1990, and it runs on ms dos

mircea_popescu: fun fact : elf does not contain a windows byte. netbsd, linux, system v etc.

thestringpuller: 2 beers in and a few exercises this is not bad .jpeg

mircea_popescu is mildly offended at this "i will persist in being a redditard" attitude, for the record.

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mats: no, i bought a majority of it at 800 BTCUSD

danielpbarron: i found a used one for 60 USD (the new is twice that) and impulsively added it to another order i had pending

danielpbarron: sounds like the book is timeless or something / probably a good investment

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you will have a real bitch of a time learning the language from the standard and justification docs, if that's what you were thinking of doing

mats: i managed to make ~60% ROI in the 13 months ive had a coinbr account

adlai: it's a problem, the people who frequent such yardsales probably like hanging around the yard

pete_dushenski: so barring that much braindamage in a single vessle, we should see silbert or whoever packing their bags for rio de janeiro

pete_dushenski: and since osama is basically the usg's religious messiah, come to save it from internal destruction by providing an external enemy, why not make a whole church service around him

asciilifeform: (does each u.s. citizen get a small piece?)

pete_dushenski: 'we made a movie and it won an oscar so history happened!'

cazalla: pete_dushenski, pretty sure she can't announce nomination until such and such a date.. part of what made the bitbet bet's that clinton and rand would announce last year an easy win

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and i'd still bet a nickel on the republicans

asciilifeform: it's a very long road (or so they think) to hitler's bunker and 'headsoff.com' being filmed on washington streets

asciilifeform: they don't care if they win a war, lose a war, here&there

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point was that these folks live in a perverse sandbox world where it literally doesn't matter what happens

ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? << a good reason to use usg mailservers and own your keys

pete_dushenski: she's a distraction at best and a fallguy at worst

asciilifeform: 'xxxxx.' 'you're a nutter, go away'

asciilifeform: if tomorrow we get a 'leaked' clinton email where clitler reveals that she is medusa and can kill with headsnakes - what will change ?

mircea_popescu: "The development on Capitol Hill came the same day The Associated Press reported the existence of a personal email server traced back to the Chappaqua, New York, home of Clinton. The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton — who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign — significant control over limiting access to her message archives."

mircea_popescu: sure, it's "not been 100% proven as a scam". this however isn't the criteria. you lie, you get caught, you're fucked.

mircea_popescu: a tad late for that show.

mircea_popescu: the very notion that the us has any sort of purpose, not even conscious or expressible, but any sort whatsoever is ridiculous on its face. it has all the purpose of a shambling headless zombie. which is why they're stuck trying to invent nonsense, "women and gayz! anti pedo!!" etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it's a hungry leopard

mircea_popescu: you're looking at a cat and seeing love. it's just a cat.

mircea_popescu: that's a generous problem to solve, seeing how the part that'll ever get solved was never not solved, and the rest isn't happening.

asciilifeform: say, actually have every table and chair with microphone that sets off alarms if someone mutters a dissenting thought under his breath

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or they were trying to solve a different problem:

mircea_popescu: just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem.

mircea_popescu: so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea.

mircea_popescu: he'd rather swallow a fistful of thumbtacks.

mircea_popescu: The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh.

asciilifeform: (the soviets also didn't have microshit 'word', which helps illiterates to play-pretend by turning them into a kind of cyborg meat-assisted shannonizer)

mircea_popescu: all but a working head.

mircea_popescu: it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying"

mircea_popescu: and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever.

asciilifeform: if you aren't a sapper - find another hobby

asciilifeform: it's rather like those kids in ru who make a hobby of collecting mementoes from old battlefields

mircea_popescu: sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark.

assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 19:46:13; kakobrekla: heres a few of the more interesting pwm ones; http://shrani.si/f/3M/2d/4N2Jzpz2/profiles.png

asciilifeform: (there are edges a few atoms thick, in there)

asciilifeform: when i used word 'unclonable' - that's meant literally. as in, no one will produce a matching half of that broken glass

adlai: the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party

asciilifeform: a kind of interferometric 'hash'

mircea_popescu: they'd make a bead and crush it.

asciilifeform: incidentally, i love a good analogue 'stone-age' cryptomechanism. and not only for enciphering. consider the broken cup.

mircea_popescu: if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no.

mircea_popescu: fixed distance i mean. if you have a 100 cm pad with 1 leter per cm, yes.

asciilifeform: more like cracking a rotor

asciilifeform: still crackable with a rubber cock that inflates while second variable is expansion of one end (use an aperture, like camera)

asciilifeform: take a table leg, a length of photo film, and experiment

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons.

asciilifeform: jurov: nobody's getting a monopoly off epsilon btc

pete_dushenski: not everyone packs a salami for lunch

asciilifeform: scytales... ecdsa << if this analogy is accurate, woe be unto ecdsa users. you can crack scyrale with a physical contrivance analogous to an engorging cock

mircea_popescu: there's ~185 meters in a stadion

asciilifeform: adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist << the bot is not for use! it's a theoretical construction, like carnot cycle

adlai: the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged

adlai: pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2π, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column

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pete_dushenski: " the scytale, consisted of a tapered baton around which was spirally wrapped a piece of parchment inscribed with the message. When unwrapped the parchment bore an incomprehensible set of letters, but when wrapped around another baton of identical proportions, the original text reappeared. "

adlai: pete_dushenski: could be. scytales just rearrange the 'packets' of a message, whereas modern crypto jumbles the data within