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mod6: ah right. still sux tho.
asciilifeform: mod6: if ~you~ type it up, it'll be ascii...
mod6: how come they don't publish these things in ascii like normal people?
asciilifeform keeps dedicated iron around for the purpose
asciilifeform: 'mathematics of computation' vol. 61, no. 203, july 1993, pp. 177-194 ( https://www.math.dartmouth.edu//~carlp/PDF/paper88.pdf << yes it's a scan, ain't got another ) appears to give the desired bounds for miller-rabin.
shinohai: https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/65 <<< This Summer, even the testnet forks.
mircea_popescu: could also be derived mathematically, but so far've not managed to.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally brings us to a very workable and very useful tmsr definition of entropy quality : take a FG string. flip a number of consecutive bits to 1. the result is your entropy quality, such as 100/1mb if you flipped 100 bits. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be an interesting adjunct to the dh tests even. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, is the relative impact cuadratic or subquadratic ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's another thing i would like : a graph of the relation of the m-r failure rate to the a) entropy quality and b) margin.
mircea_popescu: it is entirely acceptable for proper keygen to take up to a few hours. 200 seconds is actually exceedingly fast.
mircea_popescu: (yes this yields keys slightly longer than 4kb. good.)
asciilifeform reruns the test
asciilifeform: aactually bug in my gpg torturetron, so :
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 04:34 mircea_popescu: actually to formalize that : a 4096 bits key means a p that is 257 to 259 bytes long ; and a q that is 258 to 260 bytes long. end of fucking story.
asciilifeform: betcha nobody ever tested its bignumtron with longer ints..
asciilifeform: lol kochgpg ends up computing garbage if the 4096 cap is removed
mircea_popescu: o it was ? i was murdering the logsearch
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that tmsr-standard-rsa-key discussion
asciilifeform: i can think of other considerations, as in the thread with the exponents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. one needs multiple planets, the other exceeds matter.
mircea_popescu: not so. why i said do the math : cracking 4kb key the hard way exceeds the universe. this is a categorical argument, substantially different from "i could compute 2 bit key by enumeration on napkin"
asciilifeform: each theoretically 'needs multiple planets' to break via traditional methods
asciilifeform: at any rate a p proggy starts with the register bitness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well there is that. nor should you. butwhat happens to 8kb keys is of ~0 interest nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: and not even 4096 bits, there's a whole speccing discussion re this in teh logs
mircea_popescu: and this nonsense of offering faux meaningless choice a la kochpgp is unwelcome and shouldn't be perpetuated. keys are 4kb and forget about it.
mircea_popescu: do teh math, if 8kb rsa key is preferable to 4kb rsa key, there's fundamental problems with rsa that make it useless anyway.
asciilifeform: i'm writing a proggy meant to be wholly devoid of 640isenoughforeverybody-isms
asciilifeform: a 8192b key, not yet known, because gotta patch it to even allow one
asciilifeform: sooo a 4096b rsa key takes about a dozen modexp's, on avg, on gpg 1.4.10 ☟︎
asciilifeform goes to the torture room answer this q empirically
mircea_popescu: yes, but i mean as the middle of distribution
mircea_popescu: what's a 4kb keygen, gotta look for the primes, say a few hundred emults ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 19:57 asciilifeform: in other noose ! nao we have comba's algo multiplier as basecase in karatsuba (currently threshold 8 words) , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673165 becomes now 7.5sec
BingoBoingo unsure that this isn't new levels of irtellectuan int-L-evance
BingoBoingo: Our democracy however does not care to speak at all about parallels between protagonist of film who is a "bedsheet ghost" and Klan uniform which is also "bedsheet ghost"
BingoBoingo: Other critics on said "cultural milestone": "Rooney attacks that pie like a cake person, engineering such unusual fork scoops (she stabs the pie at least four times before each bite) that I started to wonder whether the actress had even ever seen a pie before. We all do weird things when dealing with grief, but I was tickled by the fact that Mara’s bizarre pie-eating method still managed to leave the crust mostly intact."
mircea_popescu: hey, gotta speak to your audience.
BingoBoingo: "Rooney Mara’s character, grieving the death of her lover (Casey Affleck), returns home to find a pie left in her kitchen by a sympathetic friend or neighbor. As the bedsheet-clad ghost of her beloved looks on, Mara’s character, known only as M, unwraps the pie, sinks to the kitchen floor, and devours almost the entire thing in a five-minute, uninterrupted sequence before suddenly dashing to a nearby bathroom to throw up." << Films W
mircea_popescu: and at happy teen camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b40607635b9d1d72440bd1ead172e7fa/tumblr_oqtcsfkq2R1robtkso1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: At least knows to keep butthole off of dirty cheap plastic
mircea_popescu: and in other "cheap whore under the opposite delusion fittingly depicted atop cheap couch on cheap plastic flooring", http://68.media.tumblr.com/475c27b3bf85f5ee0fe1d2b344939189/tumblr_onxl0wT7jK1w8x9u1o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and yes, both gerousia and roman senate come off the first branch.
mircea_popescu: (for the anthropocurious : there's three types of primitive civilisation known to either theory or practice. all three had a female hut, where the women did their woman shit. one of them had a male hut where they got drunk and dragged unwilling sexual partners by the hair. another had a male hut where they mostly sat idly about. the final one had no male hut at all, like the chimps, and thereby is very dubiosly a civilisation
mircea_popescu: direct calque off the inept old woman "oh, tell all the young women not to go to the rape hut!!!" except , of course, the sort of girl that'd listen nobody wants there in the first place.
mircea_popescu: moar win-win has scarcely ever been seen in the history of human stupidity.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly how it goes, too. and the funny thing is, the braindead vat dwellers actually go by that.
asciilifeform: 'weirdos who eat garlic with every dinner because we keep trying to vampirize'em'
mircea_popescu: "that weird cult that calls everything by unprintable names inexplicably because we try to run off with any other names they use hur durr"
asciilifeform: aha, i can't think of any good reason to.
mircea_popescu: i also do not expect we will ever call anything outside of the "pussygraber" "yesmeansanal" etc antipantsuit set
mircea_popescu: i eagerlyexpect the imperial "fuckgoats" bowdlerization
asciilifeform: 'Find a healthy middle ground for regulators to interact with commerce without compromising some core principles inherited from Bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: funny how nobody from the "concerned" peanut gallery is there on the congress floor uninvited every day, "hey guise, remember that time when oyu decided to rechristian french fries ? what happened to that ??? I THINK THE USD IS WORTHLESS!!!"\
mircea_popescu: lemme guess, it conveniently makes fries on the side ? LIBERTY fries ?
mircea_popescu: what are we going to od ?!
asciilifeform: at this rate i'ma end up keeping paper notebooks again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was my first thought when the qntra thing appeared but when went to look for it, LOST IT AGAIN!11
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 14:59 phf: https://archive.is/lyT2j << "The American college graduate allegedly beaten to death by a gang of 10 people in Greece was an aspiring entrepreneur who was visiting the country to launch his own fashion line."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681164 << amusingly this was discussed a coupla times in the logs, naive "owner" in thailands. ☝︎
phf: https://archive.is/lyT2j << "The American college graduate allegedly beaten to death by a gang of 10 people in Greece was an aspiring entrepreneur who was visiting the country to launch his own fashion line." ☟︎
shinohai: (ba dum TISS)
shinohai: Maybe new owner is busy znorting the profitz ?
asciilifeform: hey 1 time vanished for ~month and 'no problem'
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta remember post-modernism and "social justice" were the actual KGB/Soviet plot to undermine west
shinohai: https://dayton.craigslist.org/sys/6201338395.html "you can always sell the bitcoin and buy ether."
mircea_popescu: in the same vein, the early 1900s investigations into the meaning and structure of number resulted in a correctly complicated notion, from riemann functions to cantor's sets and so on. this is at great variance with non-fields like "artificial intelligence" or say alf's favourite, postmodern qm (say string theory or w/e) -- which evidently are incorrectly complicated even if it's not always evident where exactly.
mircea_popescu: "if you're going to complicate -- complicate like latin, don't complicate like puritan society or any other barbarian non-people"
mircea_popescu: and re latin : it should be noted that it was by no means a maximally simple, or a maximally adequate-to-human-experience language. it was however ~correctly~ complicated, which to date is its foremost value.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, perhaps best historical example of the "problem -- ill posed" bit is the history of the sewing machine.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/#comment-122353 << alf did you miss the part where color is a cultural construct and mircea_popescu does it differently?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dun talk smack about the pole dancing and stilt wearing crowd until you greco-roman wrestle a coupla. they're NOT THAT EASY << Original Sport!!!
ben_vulpes: whoreticultural trip report: ranier cherries are amazing this year
asciilifeform: trinque: if you're the hero who knows how to standardize $subj without birthing a microshitian shitfest - go, do.
trinque: nobody's asking you to compute in your home in $standardLang; fuck in perl and shit in brainfuck, but speak something civilized in public.
mircea_popescu: somehow 8-bit bytes is standardizable, but this, no.
trinque: blind spot right where one node talks to another
trinque: this goes right along with his "omg social skillz" thing
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 16:14 asciilifeform: i dun get the fixation with 'universal db language for all walks of life'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680990 << do you not also get the fixation with "all citizens shall speak latin" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http notably gets this half-right : there's no such thing as an error message the server ever expects to see from a client, such as i dunno, "this page has porn on it, unacceptable, send me another version" or whatever.
mircea_popescu: i am ok with chunks of machine word size, ie, quantify data by n bits rather than by 1 bit.
phf: well, then you're basically in the whole "nobody's ever going to need more than 64bytes of block size!!1"
mircea_popescu: phf i would be friendly to the notion of a machine word yes.
asciilifeform: either them numberz are fixed or not
phf: unless by decree you say that "numbers are packed in 64bit blobs"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this knot can be cut in exactly 2 ways - the 'ffa' and 'gmp', if you will
phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't care if it's a "gui" or a telex or whatever it may be.
mircea_popescu: or to put this belaboured thing in different words : if your data exchange protocol includes the concept of "error message", you do not in fact have a data exchange protocol.
mircea_popescu: and if asked for "bitcoin block", i do expect to be asked a number according to that exact type.
mircea_popescu: but the problem becomes really complex when you consider "bitcoin block index" is as of right now "positive integer under 474974", and won't stay that way for long.
phf: i also doubt that's what we'll ultimately go to. wire/remote is tied to cmucl, and nobody's going to untie it
mircea_popescu: myeah. well, no point in rehashing the suck.
phf: well, wire/remote is cavalier with byte packing, it knows how to pack various sized types, but variable sized stuff is probably not the most bullet proof (i vaguely suspect it's similar to bitoind, i.e. <typetag><count><item><item>...
mircea_popescu: so more like all-exposed-functionality) -> ((gossipd:all-message-since "give me all the gossipd message since a certain timestamp") ((timestamp fixnum positive "timestamp (in seconds since epoch) since which messages") ...))
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 16:19 phf: (all-exposed-functionality) -> ((gossipd:all-message-since "give me all the gossipd message since a certain timestamp") ((timestamp fixnum "timestamp (in seconds since epoch) since which messages") ...))
mircea_popescu: moreover, and here's where it gets biting : if we go with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1681006 ; which i expect we should, you can end up with implicit types. "you asked me for the 999999th bitcoin block, fucker". what about that ? you will need bounds adnotation yes ? ☝︎