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mircea_popescu: are
they paying you for
this btw ? or do you just donate
to
them for free and
then donate
to
them also
the HAVING DONATED, like bob beck "has grown accustomed
to expect" ?
erlehmann: my “those people are almost certainly charlatans” moment with urbit was when
their software barfed on a character being more
than one byte, despite claiming unicode support.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann so your implementations of unicode include a filter
table which consists of... ascii, and which rejects all non-ascii chars ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey,
the desire
to break
the visually-inspectable quality of
the machine has been long in
the
tooth.
they want
their girlfriends "mystique",
the libertards.
erlehmann: at least
that is for software i write. full recognition etc. pp.
erlehmann: about characters, if you start using shit i do not expect, prepare
to fail at
the input frontier.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu if i was not entirely sure she would never have gotten
there.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 17:04 erlehmann: jurov converting case is locale-specific,
therefore better left undone.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann well let me know if balloon-with-face cleans up
the residue when you
tell it
to.
mircea_popescu: (lulzy bit re
that, weeks ago stark naked local girl with grandiose
tits assuring us
that "she doesn't steal". i was like... woman... WHERE WOULD YOU PUT IT.)
erlehmann: let me say it like
thit: a friend of mine once randomly started
to masturbate beside me while visiting. i did not care as i was occupied otherwise, since she did not leave stains. if she had, i would have
told her
to clean it up.
mircea_popescu: "who
the fuck are you and why are your clothes still on" applies equally well
to cunt and
to squiggly. it is my house like it is my computer, exactly.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann so
then what is so different with
the characters ?
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i negotiate such
things beforehand. wants
to live with me? must live up
to my standards.
erlehmann: having delved into plan9 innards, i can say
that some ill-thought abstractions make obvious shittery obvious,
that is all.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i
tend
to fuck people i can stand enough
to live with, so … yes? unless i misunderstood
that.
mircea_popescu: or just on
the occasionally missing carkeys, cellphones, etc.
mircea_popescu: do you also
tend
to not waste brain cycles on cohabiting women you don'\t fuck ?
erlehmann: while codepages i use are gibberish
to CJK
erlehmann: i
tend
to not waste brain cycles on codepages i do not use
erlehmann: asciilifeform expensive in what
terms?
mircea_popescu: erlehmann
that is
the important point here :
the bicentennial folly is neither relevant nor long for
this world. it is no proper part of human history, nor will be long remembered.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new symbols are indeed
the most expensive luxury
there is.
mircea_popescu: aka "i am a human perfect in every way and equal
to all others, what could
there be
that's not directly obvious
to me as well as anyone"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-28 02:19 mircea_popescu:
there's no peer discovery as a gossipd function ; at all
times it knows already all
the peers it will ever know. in lawyer speak
this is called "never ask a question you don't know
the answer
to."
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:58 asciilifeform:
the mere possibility of 'new characters' is antisanity.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
the problem with bureaucrats is
that it universally is not possible
to provide
them with an above-secondary education. << AHA,
they pursue baccalaureate education in studying
their High School experiences
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, 1800s public person is on
teh record saying you can readily understand so-and-so's broken romanian : first,
transl;ate it back
to german.)
mircea_popescu: which brings a different matter home :
traduttore
tradditore etcetera, but only if
trying
to cross
the human-monkey linguistic divide.
mircea_popescu: consequently
they form a highschooler's
toolbox and
then go build
themselves monumental graves.
mircea_popescu: the problem with bureaucrats is
that it universally is not possible
to provide
them with an above-secondary education.
mircea_popescu: you can not, still
to
this day, in spite of all sort of "published research", include a statement of its own coherence in a coherent system sufficiently complex (so as
to include a statement of certain mathematical
truths...)
mircea_popescu: nor, and here's
the important point, and
the utf bane, nor could!
mircea_popescu: "romanian
thinks all other languages are badly written romanian", and
this because it actually continues latin.
mircea_popescu: this is done universally and
to everything, german, russian,
turkish. zdreantsa!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it is
the correct mark of
the perfective participle in
this circumstance. so "cumfaced" i guess.
mircea_popescu: this is why i like
that romanian cartoon series, "robotzi".
they do it extensively,
to breaking point. single example : at some point one says
to
the other "daca stiam c-ai sa ajungi un ghetzalit nespalat".
this is evidently in standard romanian "if i knew you'll end up and unwashed ???".
the ??? is iffy, because ghetzalit is not a word in romanian. in fact, it's a construction : ghetz is how you say sperm in hungarian, and -
mircea_popescu: anyway. your chief point is correct, in
that flexion is pure lisp for language,
that i even
to
this day can say inexistent words whose meanings are directly evident
to romanian speakers is a large matter. english even has rudiments of proper flexion, i can say "the built" and it connotes, but not
to all speakers.
trinque: and I don't see how
this'd not be way more cumbersome with
the ideographs
trinque: ah, well sorta still works. meant
that in latin
the user can generate concepts on
the fly, and have
them known as singular items upon which
to anchor others
mircea_popescu: now, if
the jews and other golden crescents notated six centuries later whereas
the chinese notated a few centuries before but a language already 2500 years old...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most languages were notated after long
time spoken
though.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 20:29 phf: asciilifeform: i used
to
try and clarify
the inflection, but
then realized
that it's mostly meaningless for
the anglophones. so however much it grates,
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 18:45 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684311 <<
the amusing part here is
that ~possibly~, as an entirely speculative, rather literary
than linguistic notion,
the chinese started out early, and as such started out small :
they had but 8 or so letters, which
they combined in words (with silent winds, as was
the fashion 5000 years pre-magdalene). as
the complexity driven by a large empire ever piled,
these short and few letters sta
mod6: BingoBoingo:
that is pretty cool
trinque: standardizing writing *below* concepts appears
the only possible sanity
trinque: you know, ABCDEFG has
this relationship with JKERQ
trinque: or more likely, never
turn combinations into
their *own* singular concepts, upon which
to build other relationships in mind
trinque: you'd have more symbols
than atoms in universe by long
BingoBoingo: erlehmann: Anyways
the point is, even pickeljaube still can't make Illinois as cool as Missouri where people wear DOT helmets, but are allowed
to attach scabbard and ride with carbine on steel horse
trinque dun see how it could be anything but
the squashiest of
thinking
tools
trinque: I'm still an idiot flash-card-level student of latin, but worth discussing
that as
the standard for "proper alphabetical lang". even
things like "afui" make me feel like a bumbling idiot when in english I have
to say "I was away". only way with pictographs
to combine meanings and generate new would seem
to be "well yeah, go with me on
this one, but
this one is sorta related-looking
to
these other
two"
erlehmann: > estimates imply
that every death of helmetless imbecile prevents or delays as many as 0.33 deaths among imbeciles on
transplant waiting list
mircea_popescu: thereby coming up with
the confucianist horror we all know and loathe
today.
mircea_popescu: then
they made
the stupid move of coming up with separate notiations for
the 16 meanings of
the letter
tsa.
mircea_popescu: rted
to carry multiple meanings. FILIP B is still how you say philip
the 2nd in greek
to
this day, because B is also 2. it means a number of
things, and if you didn't know "set" is
the english word with
the largest number of meanings.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:57 asciilifeform: if i start writing english as strings of 16-bit indices into
the oxford dictionary, people will laugh.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684311 <<
the amusing part here is
that ~possibly~, as an entirely speculative, rather literary
than linguistic notion,
the chinese started out early, and as such started out small :
they had but 8 or so letters, which
they combined in words (with silent winds, as was
the fashion 5000 years pre-magdalene). as
the complexity driven by a large empire ever piled,
these short and few letters sta
☝︎☟︎ trinque: she had a joek of
the pointed variety.
erlehmann: trinque if ${girl?} wanted
to make a joke, she should know: APL is not
the worst offender, merely
the first. rules for identifiers in c# correspond
to unicode standard annex 15.
BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> large scale deployments are always driven by statistics. i once read
that many stats have no bike helmet laws because lawmakers are convinced
this would reduce biking
to
the point where more cardiovascular diseases outrun benefits of less head injuries. << For all
the idiocies Illinois does participate in, it refrains from helmet laws.
This means
the occasional perosn riding a chromed up cruisers with a DOT non-compliant Pick