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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure 16x16 "is not enough" because, for instance, "you can not tell if the strokes were made in the correct order"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/beating-that-spark-of-heaven/ << Trilema - Beating, that spark of heaven
asciilifeform: but bitmap oughta be the canonical form.
asciilifeform: if they want fancy calligraphy, let'em recognize and substitute the 16x16 bitmap with a fancy.
asciilifeform: which is more than you can say for multibyte turdicode
asciilifeform: ^ searchable, too.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:48 asciilifeform: they wanna say 妓 -- let'em be stuck saying 32 bytes (16x16 bit matrix, more than enough for any hierohorror) rather than 2 bytes !!!
asciilifeform: the sane solution , if hieroglyphs are your thing, is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684293 ☝︎
phf: well, i have to conveniently go afk at this point :)
mircea_popescu: and this is not to count the various jokes, and puns, and that in turn is to not count all the cases where i'm fucking with the fucking with it deliberately.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, sometimes my a is /a/ and sometimes /ə/. and even some other times /ɨ/.
phf: but that's an alternative solution, since unicode claims taxonomy of symbols. "A" as written by mp in 2017 is not necessarily different from "A" written by mp during other times (but it might map to different A's within taxonomy, e.g. latin or cyrillic one). in case of japs they claim that the new symbol actually carries additional meaning
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
mircea_popescu: the only correct unicode, is, obviously, dated font tables. whereby i write in the year-specified letter a. and to read my modern story typeset in fraktur you have to set your computer clock to year 1199 or else the machine will refuse to print ("error! temproally-unavailable fonts detected!") much like gedit refuses to open files in gnome.
mircea_popescu: (and since on it : prince csaba was the youngest son of atilla, king of the huns).
phf: and have the other half unified with greek
mircea_popescu: the reason they did not wish to do this is plain racism : they were afraid of me, and all the humour i was about to heap on them (the above x is not h but p is r very much apropos), and they understood (correctly) that no such scholarsip is available to yellow men.
phf: vaguely relatedly: if you drink unicode cool aid, shouldn't cyrillic latin subset like "a" be unified with the latin equivalent, along the lines of han unification? and then you introduce "linguist context surrogate" or whatever to actually give the glyph proper i18n aware shape? or perhaps that information should be contained purely in font, i.e. "russian" font has latin A rendered with russian typographic conventions. #makeunicodegreatagain
mircea_popescu: csaba the csaker could be a grandiose character, though.
phf: yeah, scratch the second part, i confused myself
phf: come to think of it, for non cyrillic readers, xakep is how you spell "hacker" in ru, written in this case with latin alphabet, because it just happens that the subset of cyrillic required to write the word "hacker" in ru is also latin
mircea_popescu: but most go around with this puta, neither cock nor cunt imature device.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you like to have your wine surrepetitiously drunk by such rather than the melanogaster ?
mircea_popescu: adding a "well, the detector pointed this way" answer to the repertoir wouldn't hurt jack.
asciilifeform: ( faith healers, esp, ufology, were on MAINSTREAM ru tv at the time. so a 'counterculture' mag ~had to~ avoid'em, see )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do all sorts of weird shit. there's iirc trilema telling the story of me calling chick out of the blue. "how did you get thsi number ?" "i had you followed".
asciilifeform: it was not the bizarre cocktail of mental illness exhibited in 'mondo'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 18:20 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1686972 << in the same vein, though a slightly different subculture there was a super trashy ru magazine XAKEP, which was sort of combination of game/hardware reviews and script kiddie writeups in the style of 2600. they have their archive online https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/002 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/003 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/004 etc.
asciilifeform: revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689019 : 'XAKEP' mag stands head and shoulders above 'mondo' et al rubbish : it may be lame, but (most of) the things it describes ACTUALLY EXISTED, long-forgotten dos games, vapourware, electric schemes for 'detect ufo' that would at least detect passing truck certainly, tv jammer would in fact jam tv. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( or are they released in the forest to find later, like safari lions in 19th c... ? )
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu-style fun consisted of sitting in chair and watching the gurlz fight over which one gets to go in the door
asciilifeform: i dunno why mircea_popescu would even want this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: the whole point is to let the machine err.
mircea_popescu: possibly ; though i don't think i'd use this.
asciilifeform: what you'd want here is a vortex tube, that lets dust/heavies settle into exhaust drain, air per se -- out the side pipe, and the magic fraction concentrated 100+x -- to nose.
asciilifeform: there is an 'olfactometer', instrument that pumps known volume of sampled air from the room into expert nose, for gas leaks etc but is NOT same thing as subj.
asciilifeform never found any record of such a thing being attempted
asciilifeform: as telescope is to eye
asciilifeform: where asciilifeform admitted that in preference to gc/ms or other usgairport-like fancy junk, it could very well be a simpler matter of concentrating odours from air and simply piping into own nose
asciilifeform: did we ever do the concentrator thread ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise moth's have huge ears instead of those fuzzy chemcapture devices we call antennae.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this'd well beat ears.
asciilifeform: i thought that was what yer ears were for
mircea_popescu: fun fact : it should be able to detect A PARTY (say, mingled perfumes in trace amts) from a reasonable distance away.
mircea_popescu: i't put it on the car in preference of "radar detector". who fucks radars.
asciilifeform: but this was ( fortunately ? ) before he had money.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform actually investigated building this.
mircea_popescu: rather than deeply dubious "disease scanning arrays" from whatever stupid ho, how about the equally dubious but deeply fun "go this way" aerosol evaluator.
mircea_popescu: fucking moths have it built in ; and rats. what's kids to do in town.
asciilifeform: same place as other barely plausible martian tech, lol
asciilifeform: lol iirc we had thread
mircea_popescu: you know, tindr.
mircea_popescu: phf no but i mean, directional. like the metal detectors.
phf: mircea_popescu: you missed asciilifeform's "page 2: how to get a girl from irc chat?"
asciilifeform: lol i had nfi that goblin wrote for this rag, phf
mircea_popescu: translate that bit if you will ? how does he dress ?
mircea_popescu: you would expect the one useful tech could do for 15yo neh ? "left, right, left, left, there she is"
mircea_popescu: laugh, but from the trouble it gives randos i would expect "how to trilema" is like sitting on a warez pedestal somewhere.
asciilifeform: lol p. 17 'how to irc'
phf: yeah, pretty much. but 2600 has the whole "fight the powa!!1" vibe to it, this is more of a trashy 16 y/o internet club rats learning how to deface websites.
asciilifeform: i'll add that i ~never read ru '31333337 d00dz' material. because deadly boring, even moar thoroughly winblowz-centric than ANYTHING ever to come out of anything in usa short of microshit press itself
asciilifeform: in usa this was '2600'
asciilifeform: aint these folx ever heard of djvu
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 00:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686933 << when phf first described subj, asciilifeform thought 'what if i saw it then, would it have made sense, appealed?' but now i know -- no
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1686972 << in the same vein, though a slightly different subculture there was a super trashy ru magazine XAKEP, which was sort of combination of game/hardware reviews and script kiddie writeups in the style of 2600. they have their archive online https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/002 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/003 https://xakep.ru/pdf/xa/004 etc. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: aah in that sense yea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the game has no actual use for cards, it just uses cards to generate some random numbers. it's not a card game, properly speaking, not anymore than using your car engine for powering your laptop makes the assemblage "it"
mircea_popescu: (in fact, the do, it's called barbut).
asciilifeform: well they still play cards, that get shuffled, just like 500 yrs ago. unless i misunderstood the rng remark.
asciilifeform: ( though today they ~mandate mechanical shuffling machines, for some reason )
mircea_popescu: why not ? how's this reasoning go ?
asciilifeform: so can't be the rng
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason why extinct is that no longer need deck for rng. which is ~all that was.
mircea_popescu: mebbe you inprinted on teh sideways glance.
asciilifeform: could be simply camera angle, or could be that there's actually somebody home in that head. i've nfi.
mircea_popescu: her eyes are kohl'd, there's powder on the cheek, and well chosen rouge on the lip... what more, really ?
mircea_popescu: she's made up about to the evening level.
asciilifeform: i didn't imprint on the kabuki and find it repulsive, is all.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688972 | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688963 wut do you both see in random club slut like ~any other ?! this is interesting already.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688984 << can't speak for phf, but to my eye she looks like a human face, vs plastic cow ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if only wind blew strong the other way.
mircea_popescu: but the point : there's always winds. whether men blow the winds against the mechanisms, and create the prison card playing world ; or whether mechanisms blow the winds against people, and create the "company policy" and us office, there'll still be wind, and there'll still be some towers, and some ground down mounds were other towers could have stood.
asciilifeform: but not a type i recall seeing previously.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:54 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9900...7209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA)
asciilifeform: 'who would ever think to...'
mircea_popescu: a sort of fairness-and-equality-through-simplicity-and-poverty is required for such things. kinda why orange revolutions work, when they do.
mircea_popescu: in town. much like, of course, representative democracy belongs to the simple and them alone ( http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-79.0-85.2 ).
mircea_popescu: anyway, the discussion of card cheating brings us to an inverse of that ancient towers point ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312420 ) : it is only in prison that technology is sufficiently limited for the "cheating -- allowed" approach to work. yes, it does work well, and yes it is very warmly human. but it is also a strong part of the rural vs urban dispute, in that it is strictly a matter of rurality, and can not live ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688972 | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1688963 wut do you both see in random club slut like ~any other ?! this is interesting already. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason why extinct is that no longer need deck for rng. which is ~all that was. ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9900...7209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA) ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B4A9F8064616CAF4A77EF29B696C8E55FF481782DBFC35092B3CEC51BAA60B2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9903...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.0.156.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.0.156.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SD)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82DFE01A00E566825DFF781D85F4FB9EA8405E400F9B6C772D8FA7552383F0C6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9903...1737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.112.244.14 (ssh-rsa key from 92.112.244.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (14-244-112-92.ip.ukrtel.net. UA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B4A9F8064616CAF4A77EF29B696C8E55FF481782DBFC35092B3CEC51BAA60B2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9287...7133 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.0.156.30 (ssh-rsa key from 212.0.156.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SD)
asciilifeform: ( in usa that is )
asciilifeform: but today ~extinct.
phf: apparently terza is a pure sakhalin invention, stos is known in u.s. as faro or pharaoh and bura while also a custom prison game is essentially thirty-one
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 17:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at teh club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/90688d90d3207ffb7a2d1179f07c9b10/tumblr_o915ywAHth1vshvsro1_1280.jpg
phf: atch your opponnent, it's your right, know how to cheat yourself, know how to dispute a questionable win. a game is always between two people -- one on one. none of the pros would degrade themselves by participating in a group game like ochko. none would be scared to play against a strong “performer” either -- like in chess a real pro looks for a strong oponnent."
phf: (a rather butchered translation) "it was sevochka, a famous expert at terza, stos and bura, the three traditional card games. he was a master of the extensive ruleset, strict adherence to which was mandatory in any real confrontation. they said about sevochka that he is an “excellent performer” that is he shows the skill and the agility of a card sharp. of course he actually was a card sharp; an honest theifs game is a game of deceit: observe and c