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a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 00:16 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690392 << fear mongering for rhetoric purposes, but my point is
the same one as was made by
the situationists: you can build negation into your
tooling all you want, but if need be
the maggots will find a way.
mircea_popescu: "I'm a grad student who will be going
to grad school
to become an occupational
therapist."
phf: i agree
that packaging (and
the attempted status implication) is distasteful. but electric engineering etc. associate wouldn't be much different. a handful of specialist classes of varied quality mixed with utterly useless "general education" stuff
mircea_popescu: you're considering
things in isolation. sociology major has significantly different expense expectations.
phf: i just can't share in
this sentiment. girl can probably make herself useful by making pretty looking edibles for cupcake stores and weddings. i
think
that's more useful
than sociology
mircea_popescu: souffle is a 4 week course if you're nuts. wtf are
those, cupcakes ? out of pre-mixed batter ?
mircea_popescu: phf you realise, one could perhaps
turn pastry making into a degree. BUT i guarantee
that's not what
they did.
phf: still more useful
than sociology
mircea_popescu: also re
the "maggots will find a way",
the
tmsr point is subtler
than
that : a) yes
they will but b) let it be
the intake manifold and c) make sure
the machine corrupts
them into humanity.
mircea_popescu: in fairness
though, it perhaps contains more "moderate your expectations"
than actual solutions, by mass.
mircea_popescu: phf i have long searched for said way.
trilema is what i came up with.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "kitchen appliance" really should be a standard body
type.
phf: (this started because i couldn't find a printed version of julius evola's "ride
the
tiger" in russian
translation. i found a pirated version,
that i figured i can just print
through lulu. i still haven't produced a pdf version
that doesn't rely on
the whole 6gb
tex distribution)
phf: fwiw, i'm just
tryin'
ta get a way
to publish an occasional document; i was under an impression
that
TeX is a no brainer, it's supposedly inherently
tmsr friendly. apparently not, and not only
that,
the whole stack, since before i was even doing computing was already llvm-like. layers upon layers of "autotools"
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690392 << fear mongering for rhetoric purposes, but my point is
the same one as was made by
the situationists: you can build negation into your
tooling all you want, but if need be
the maggots will find a way.
☝︎☟︎ palatine: first
time panic,
totally understand ;)
palatine: i read a bit on
the origins of
the republic, i found striking similarities with our current situation
mircea_popescu: see, cause originally, when
the venetics were little more
than an orcish
tribe,
they wanted
to matter in
th world. so
they went and stole st marcus remains from alexandria.
a111: Logged on 2014-01-14 10:51 mircea_popescu: and also my country,
teh most serene republic of bitcoin.
palatine: it's amazing because when i walk
the streets here
the San Marco lion is everywhere
a111: Logged on 2013-08-19 13:24 mircea_popescu: it was
the same in 1600s low countries, and in 1100s serene republic.
palatine: how was
that you picked
the Serenissima?
palatine: yes, but
the meaning is subtle and missing
too many words make it a mess
palatine: nope, i nicknamed it
the "romanian wall"
palatine: gotta
take my
time with
this one
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid
that was sexually abused
through
the process of socialist schooling (which is all of
them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with
the idea
that newton sat down
TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and
THEREFORE he did.
mircea_popescu: generally "to plan" is used as a view
towards results.
this utterly is not what planning is. planning is all about
the construction of processes.
mircea_popescu: both.
the distinction only exists in a certain (and false) view of
teh world. otherwise,
to plan it as a literary opus correctly IS for it
to grow on its own wya.
palatine: i got a question for you, if you don't mind answering, did you plan
trilema as a literary opus by
the very start or sorta did it grew out on its own way?
palatine: i'm very happy
to have found out
this place
mircea_popescu: well if it makes you feel any better,
the us is rapidly catching up.
palatine: fact is,
the place i live
the law is a joke
palatine: your remark is spot on, by
the way
mircea_popescu: well, people are also
totally non-legal minds either, kinda why
they come
to you.
palatine: people being
totally non
tech people either
palatine: yes,
that would be fine even if a somewhat hard on
the practical level
mircea_popescu: that way you get actual, as opposed
to
theoretical, attorney-client priviledge.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a lawyer you absoluitely wish
to bake pgp into every aspect of your practice. don't have any customer email you plaintext.
mircea_popescu: ah. i suppose
to keep
to
terminology, "i'm a scholar person".
palatine: i'm a lawyer by profession and
trying
to escape
the barn in general
☟︎ mircea_popescu: lol but i mean, "i'm not a
tech person because i am an ? person" ?
palatine: not being a
tech person i have some
trouble with
the WoT
thing
palatine: beginning
to figure it out, almost ;)
palatine: feels strange
talking
to you after all reading i did, sorta speaking with a character out of a book
mircea_popescu avvers
that had he run into remarkable crapola re knuth he'd have
thrown a louder
than usual and as public as usual hissy fit.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i can envisage a future where
the clean html of
the republic is viewed
through "browser2iphonekek" as javascript-whatever.
mircea_popescu: all systems designed
through inductive means can always be improved --
through
the removal of
the inductive parts and
their replacement with deductive equivalents.
that's all.
mircea_popescu: it is, for
the record, NOT axiomatic, or even
true,
that any large system can be improved.
mircea_popescu: phf i wasn't aware he ever did bit
twiddles. my sparse reading of bits and pieces never showed me any.
phf: i can envision a future where some
TMSR SYSTEM package weights at 100GB but at its core is "p.vpatch"
that is used exclusively
through "vada2rust"
translation system
phf: oved." etc. etc. last
tex release (apart from bug fixes) is version 3 in 1990. you'd
think(c)(r), but
the reality is
that layers and layers of cancer are grown on
top of it, and when
there's a discussion it is in
terms of original values, but when it comes
to details its "use
this lua pdf unicode
thing which comes as part of a 5GB package"
phf: fwiw
the dynamic around
tex is fascinating. here's very much a literate artifact of high discipline. every piece is a carefully documented literate program, custom
tooling
that enforces
the conventions, "I have also spent
thousands of hours
trying
to ensure
that
the systems produce essentially identical results on all computers. I strongly believe
that an unchanging system has great value, even
though it is axiomatic
that any complex system can be impr
phf: i don't know if
that's
the case,
that's just my guess. but you are doing fixed size allocations
though, and we had
threads about it
phf: "This
TEX implementation conforms
to
the rules of
the Pascal User Manual published by Jensen and Wirth in 1975, except where system-dependent code is necessary
to make a useful system program, and except in another respect where such conformity would unnecessarily obscure
the meaning and clutter up
the code"
phf: i suspect it's more about
the choice of data structures. for one
there are no allocs (very much in
the spirit of ascii's ada explorations), so he probably has a lot of mempools, some byte compression and possibly bit
twiddling. i've not read
the second book yet, because i still haven't compiled
the damn
thing outside of
the reservation
phf: (for me, anyway).
There is a system called JavaTex, by
Tim Murphy, which might be a bit easier
to read, maybe. But I ran out of
time. – bubba"
phf: "Like you, I also wanted
to study
the
TeX code. After all, it was written by an eminent computer scientist, and, for a large piece of software, it is remarkably free of bugs. It looked like something significant could be learned. But, I gave up after a while. Mostly because
the code is full of clever
tricks
to pack data into memory locations
to save space.
This made sense 30 years ago, but not so much
today, and it makes
the code very difficult
to read
mircea_popescu: I blush
to
tell, I
tremble
to recite our Persian childhood and its fated plight! or something at
the very least.
the cogent points is
that one
tempts
the fates at his peril with a recount of how changing
the republic for a satrapy contained in itself its future blessings such as
they were.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:19 mircea_popescu:
the fatal weakness,
those folks just wanted
to get along.
mircea_popescu: come
to
think about it, whether someone is publicly shitting hsi pants every change he gets (aka,
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690153 ) versus
the other categorical alternative, "doesn't seem
to feel in
the slightest bit in danger" would rather predict us citizenship
than anything else.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: by
this measure, neither do
they "seem
to feel" in danger in north korea.