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BingoBoingo: World cup managed to get bets, but seemed to have a broader appeal
mircea_popescu: that worked with a LE of 35.
BingoBoingo: stunna: Well, Bitbet would be lower fee than a sportsbook (1%), just wondering if other money would come in to correct the odds.
asciilifeform: but yes, probably a fairly boring chinese variation in this or that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when weighing the lot, i discovered, to a bit of surprise, that there is ~50g of variance between the individual units.
stunna: BingoBoingo: Would have been out quite a few coins
stunna: BingoBoingo: I agreed to some guy's terms a year ago for the warren buffet bet thing and he pulled out, I got lucky he got cold feet
asciilifeform: decimation: if he 'broke' it, he will simply be left holding the short end of a fork
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform has never heard of either until now << Both fighters 5 years past their prime. One Black, one Island folk. Both old enough hard to see this happening without a loss of life.
decimation: after all, when Linus promises not to 'break userland', he's promising to be a good slave
decimation: asciilifeform: that's a good point. in many ways, controlling the 'standard library' on a platform is way more important than the kernel
asciilifeform: because it declares war on microshit and unix, 'a pox on both their houses' ☟︎
decimation: well, it appears to come with a very well specified standard library
asciilifeform: this is -one- of the reasons why ada (and to a slightly-lesser extent - common lisp) is interesting
asciilifeform: (it is quite impossible to do, outside of a classroom)
decimation: it seems that any sane implementer carefully sticks to a subset of the language - or a particular compiler/library
decimation: C++ does 'just work' but if you want to use the standard functions in any way other than designed it becomes a massive hairball
decimation: yeah for example I have been trying to 'optimize' a std::vector<std::complex<float >> turd
asciilifeform: esp. since the 'jewel of simplicity' aspect tends to dissipate very, very quickly in unskilled hands trying to implement a modicum of actual optimization
decimation: ah so the 'funarg problem' appears when you only use a stack
decimation: no, it sounds like a very simple mechanism
decimation: the guy claims to have built a small hardware processor that 'runs' picolisp
asciilifeform: decimation: i found that it is only any good as a 'textbook example'
asciilifeform: in past 24 hrs, only some spew from a diffbot, and a query from a n00b re: 'ghost' vuln.
assbot: On owning things on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfF5RL )
mats: really? i could attack that on a laptop from 2005.
ascii_field: assure that any decimalization had enough bits to be precise to a given number of digits). Stephen's aim seemed to be to sacrifice correctness for speed. He seemed clear on that the error was not a problem for him...'
ascii_field: 'My real concern, of course, was not that he was using optimized data structures so much as that he seemed on target to reintroduce numerical error back into a world that we had worked hard to make 'exact' (Macsyma used bignums from Lisp) or at least 'arbitrarily exact' (Macsyma had a derived type called 'bigfloat' that was internally a pair bignums, acting more or less as a ratio but with lots of other hidden bits to
ascii_field: and hired some folks to cough up a gui for it
ascii_field: a certain lisp
ascii_field: what he did was, essentially, steal a usg mega-product - macsyma, the first really universal computer algebra system, thousands of man-years of
ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism ☟︎
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone who's not proud to work for corporate america a la buffett is busy trying to carve a small kingdom of flies type of arrangement
ascii_field: so he ended up as a mad king of a small kingdom of sorts
ascii_field: the man is a crank who grew up as 'next big physics mind' who ended up coming to nothing. but turned out that he was good at harnessing other folks to pull his imperial cart.
ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance ☟︎
ascii_field: 'Wolfram, for his part, responded by suing or threatening to sue Cook (now a penniless graduate student in neuroscience), the conference organizers, the publishers of the proceedings, etc. '
ascii_field: how the result was made public, but to claim it for himself. In fact, his position was that the existence of the result was a trade secret. ...'
ascii_field: 'The real problem with this result, however, is that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic tag systems, and he didn't come up with the incredibly intricate construction needed to implement them in Rule 110. This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got to control not only when and
assbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOGpHJ )
assbot: 43 results for 'wolfram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wolfram
ascii_field: wolfram is a u.s.-based fella though
mircea_popescu: kinda how it only takes a moment;s survey to reealise a field/group/whatever will never amount to anything worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: it may be good taste, but it more likely is a firm decision to burn anything and everything until it either behaves or goes away.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - electricity had a bad king, and it still sucks to this day, as discussed yest
mircea_popescu: (and before anyone wants to argue re ford : the man pissed on a field of patents, ignored the law and basically ordered anyone messing with his stuff murdered.)
mircea_popescu: ic had no such luck. you could say shockley made a bad king.
ascii_field: and before we say 'the americans and their wasted effort on pointless sigint' - let's recall how they set up a whole planet as chumpers who can't access a sane computing system at any price...
ascii_field recalls how richard sorge, perhaps greatest spy who ever lived, still stuck to impersonating a german - rather than japanese - official, while in jp
mircea_popescu: im a tall lanky white eskimo from romania. problem ?
ascii_field: not sure if this will make sense, but living as a stupid -social- organism takes a lifetime of practice.
ascii_field: this is more of a 'that day was suddenly torn limb from limb by the other shoppers' thing
ascii_field: to get back to original point, that i attempted to make, - division of labour exists, and not everyone is a universal and reshapeable everything.
mircea_popescu: what is surprising is that you're passing off chimps in a zoo for chimps in the wild,
ascii_field: what is surprising? the thing has roughly 5x the strength of a man, per gram of muscle.
mircea_popescu: "Andrew F. Oberle was giving a lecture to a group of tourists at the Chimp Eden sanctuary on Thursday when two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into their enclosure, said Jeffrey Wicks of the Netcare911 emergency services company."
ascii_field: 'when two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into their enclosure...'
mircea_popescu: this was in a cage ?
ascii_field: iirc there is a hypothesis that it is why they attack - he fails to respond to some important chimp gesture of dom/sub protocol handshake
ascii_field: man makes a terrible chimp
mircea_popescu: so just say "a monkey among monkeys"
ascii_field: the point, which i evidently failed to get across, is that the man vs chimp contest requires the man to at least get a chance to sharpen a stick, in order to use his advantage over the beast
ascii_field: here i don't have a position as such, only observations
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you propose that if you were taken to a jungle, you would have trouble exterminating monkeys ?
ascii_field: one very important fact is that a 'naggum' - if he is the genuine article - is a -destroyer- of jobs for his own kind, rather than creator thereof
mats: as you know, a proper master is rare...
ascii_field: can't speak for mats, but basic idea is that once you leave your meatwot, you are a fungible machine. this is a situation that, as mats put it, 'resets you to entry level' - and overwhelmingly favours the very young ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you never, ever, no matter what happens, accept a metric that puts you behind.
mircea_popescu: fuck that. why would you ever take a standard that disadvantages you ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't sound like you'll face a dearth of opportunities.
ascii_field: it isn't strictly an age thing, beyond a certain point
ascii_field does not, afaik, know anyone in local meatspace who 'doesn't need a job'
mircea_popescu: he doesn't sound old enough to need a job, that doesn't sound like a job good enough to want, etc.
mats: my manager dicked around on a server and threw me under the bus when he fucked up
ascii_field: i mentioned him at least once as specifically an example of a particularly vile species sometimes called 'digerati' ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:38:08; mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lanier is one of the world’s great polymaths. He’s a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and the author of a new book, Who Owns the Future?, published last month "
assbot: 10 results for 'lanier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lanier
mircea_popescu: i think they all did that, in the olden penny a word days
ascii_field: he was, imho, of a particular school of writing where threw shit at a wall hoping that some would stick
ascii_field: i happen to own a copy of most of it
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to ellison, guy apparently wrote a shitton. i suppose it's mostly that we don't give a shit about their pulpy universes.
ascii_field: sooner i am a dog.
mircea_popescu: in other news, is Casey McKinnon really a man ?
ascii_field: but no, ellison only shat a few basic prunes.
mircea_popescu: heh. he never shat a plum.
mircea_popescu: fraud that makes the consumer "consume" is a-ok
ascii_field: (a great many - published such figures; turned out, to no one's surprise, fabricated wholesale; then somehow entire brouhaha magicked away )
mircea_popescu: sf in the 50s was a spare cycle endeavour of the people who at the time didn't have bbs yet.
mircea_popescu: dude... it was a joke when we made it.
mircea_popescu: was a big scandal in the tiny cup. evnetually tho... lo! i am vindicated.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that was more of a 'how dare they make an upvote ring, that's -ours- to do'
mircea_popescu: i recall when i was a kid, some of the first books printed in shiny covers etc were various sf works, which is how i even ended up owning some (ender's game, dune, other americas, crap like that) - they looked good.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ellison is interesting for another reason. he is the undisputed emperor of 'wrote a few good stories in the '50s, famous for nothing in particular since'; loudly rants demanding eternal copyright because 'creaaaatorz have riiiiiightz!!111!!'
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NeAZG_tgI << this guy is such a ho.
ascii_field: (iirc britain had a periscopic rifle sight/trigger stick in ww1, for roughly same problem)
assbot: 2 results for 'alien problem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=alien+problem
mircea_popescu: obviously a bad idea, just not in their circumstances.
ascii_field: and not obviously a bad idea under the circumstances
ascii_field: ak with a curved barrel << krummlauf !
mircea_popescu: maybe you want an ak with a curved barrel, for all i care.