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mircea_popescu: decimation depending on the fridge. i think they make gen friendlier models now.

bitcoinquestinos: mircea_popescu: I know I'm asking what is the purpose of this IRC?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> those who don't, typically own a small (5-10kW) genset on wheels << i have no idea what this would do. suppose a 2kw air conditioner unit, or fridge, or even washing machine.

bitcoinquestinos: thanks man, what is this IRC? I read about it in a blog post

decimation: asciilifeform: I have a small 2 kw job that runs on propane, to run essentials 'just in case'

mircea_popescu: i mean order. not prepared. order. when you feel like.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at all what i mean.

mircea_popescu: mebbe i am confused as to how things actually work thar.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can d << lol, we know these were for friends, not mircea_popescu's house

benjamindees: I was referring to Hitler.

benjamindees: since I'm not the CIA... no

mircea_popescu: this is actually a fair analysis, i suspect. cca 1936, stalin was pro hitler, lord halifax was, undeclaratively, but essentially, pro hitler. everyone was pro hitler.

mircea_popescu: because these logs were INSUFFICIENT i swear. i leave for a full few hours and what do i get ? NOTHING

ben_vulpes: yeah. i get it

mircea_popescu: well i dunno what teh topic really was cause i'm not so sure i said what it seems to be the case i said or something

mircea_popescu: that said, i'll definitely run a few myself.

mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the lowest "i did something positive for the world i live in" barrier they'll ever meet.

mircea_popescu: there are, however, bunches (i'm told) of people who would like to do something, but for reasons of barrier of entry, can not.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it most certainly cannot be true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in. but quite likely true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in for 18 usd per. <<< it doesn't even reach that. the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can do to halp bitcoin.

mircea_popescu: that i never ended up using because... there hasn't yet been a power outage.

mircea_popescu: or tell you about how on reports about "power outages" i had all sortos of arrangements in place, including the option to have a container generator installed (worth about 3mw)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that machine tools are uncommonly difficult to obtain in ar, for example << do i need to show you pictures of the casa del transformador again ?

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: my plaintive cries << it's not a bad plan i don't think.

mircea_popescu: i can sort-of read c++ and i comprehend computers, but jesus christ was it fighting against us.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but... <<< i come fresh from a three hour session of discussing eulora game model with c people.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'we've never heard of you' <<< i'll insure against that one, for cheap.

mircea_popescu: "oh i hate shootin gelephants and the empire is too heavy ; oh how the latrines stink" is really not adequate for one over the age of about 15.

adlai: i'm not going to declare in advance that i want X% of profits, or a Y% upfront fee, if that's what you're looking for

adlai: so at this point i'm working further on my code, and waiting to see if anybody interested in using it has terms in mind already

adlai: i'm not set on a specific configuration for how such terms would look; i'm interested to see what works for them. mircea_popescu outlined the terms he offers people who manage profit centers, and it seems that he's not willing at this stage to risk an amount which is worth my time to manage, and this is understandable

ben_vulpes: i'm just saying that i admire your persistence. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: oh i get it!

adlai: ben_vulpes: context is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052, the thing is usable, i'm trying to get people to use it. maybe not the most tactful, but i don't have my own pr lady (yet) ☝︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: <adlai> [] this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself << i admire the guys persistence

assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 22:22:37; benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.

asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that machine tools are uncommonly difficult to obtain in ar, for example

assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 06:26:04; mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.

ben_vulpes: not at a term i don't understand.

ben_vulpes: i'll not laugh, no.

asciilifeform: i don't know the author personally, no. he's just a blogger.

asciilifeform: i mean, to keep the space for pleasure

asciilifeform: sounds very spiffy, but i notice ben_vulpes is referring to this business arrangement in the past tense

ben_vulpes: i grow to suspect that you see all of the ussa as a homogenous enforcement environment.

ben_vulpes: i've worked in minimally secured shops

ben_vulpes: actually asciilifeform i contest this stance

asciilifeform: when i said 'security cost', it does not necessarily refer to tanks or rockets

ben_vulpes: out in the woods, the sop (as i understand it, not having pulled this particular hat trick myself) is to fire a warning shot, shoot the invader, and then call the sherrif.

ben_vulpes: i did notice the door was unlocked.

thestringpuller: he was like "I've become a hipster even though I was an anti-hipster"

assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:39; mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.

thestringpuller: i guess. they said the city is a hipster factory.

ben_vulpes: i start to understand how badly the c toolchain messes with ones head

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't buy the malicious usg. thing is purely reactive, and only within the logic of itself.

ben_vulpes: i've a feeling argentina'd welcome me with open arms.

ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.

ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages << i worked with a database with queries in datalog recently.

danielpbarron: hey at those QNTR prices, I made ~5 bucks per article i wrote. not bad :D

ben_vulpes: i'm reading logs from days past, not hacking

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the historical picture in my head is incomplete, but i just can't grasp the portrait of orwell as cockless worm.

mircea_popescu: charlie going "i am willing to work with planes as long as either the light stays on or x or y"

asciilifeform: 'Some months ago, in this column, I pointed out that modern scientiﬁc inventions have tended to prevent rather than increase international communication. This brought me several angry letters from readers, but none of them were able to show that what I had said was false. They merely retorted that if we had Socialism, the aeroplane, the radio, etc. would not be perverted to wrong uses. Very true, but then we haven’t Soc

adlai: if it's an unconscious expectation, then i'm not conscious of having it :)

assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 20:09:21; mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.

adlai: mircea_popescu: i still don't follow why you say http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011933 ☝︎

asciilifeform: the 'work self' thing i remember, but still find it bizarre

asciilifeform: that's kinda how i pictured the narcissism working - you play 'paratrooper' and imagine that you are in fact a ww2 hero

asciilifeform: it's one thing to sign a freshly-packet parachute with your blood, swearing 'i am responsible for this, whatever happens'

adlai: well you can catch yourself being stupid before you "open your mouth and remove all doubt", although i guess it's harder the stupider you get

adlai: also i don't follow why you think that i have this expectation, or that it affects my problem(s)

adlai: don't worry, i believe the same nonsense about my discovery

mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly. ☟︎

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: netbsd on pogo << last i checked, lacked support for internal eeprom

adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011857 << i'm interested in doing this, but it requires either collaboration with an mpex account holder, or the fabled coinbr api... ☝︎

danielpbarron: speaking of netbsd; that's what i'm researching as a candidate to replace archlinux for the pogo

punkman: I assume this has less baggage

mircea_popescu: your test will probably be in the double digit failure rate, which is laughable. i suspect it is impossible for chemodynamic reasons to make it single digit, which makes it impractical

adlai: amazing how this thing just keeps running while i'm in here, almost like it's not human

jurov: and i can submit company papers to kraken and we'll see. but it will need really good agreement as to who is liable

adlai: this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself

mircea_popescu: i wut ?

pete_dushenski: the world doesn't revolve around me, i'm told

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol i guess so

mircea_popescu: i just woke up yo.

thestringpuller: i believe mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are robots

pete_dushenski: and i think my reservation lies mostly in the lack of commitment

pete_dushenski: this isn't my area of expertise and i'm working from my own understanding of human motivations

mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine how people think actresses are to be taken seriously if it's plain obvious that should a drill sargeant manifest and yell "STRIP!" she'd start trembling like an eight year old.

assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 13:21:22; jurov: perhaps i can look into kraken

adlai: i'd make a more reasonable offer for a more attractive amount of capital

assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:27:14; mircea_popescu: well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ?

adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007145 << for it to be worth my time at this amount, i'd want half the profit. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: f his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence. Recently I drew up a table of atrocities during the period between 1918 and the present; there was never a year when atrocities were not occurring somewhere or other, and there was hardly a single case when the Left and the Right believed in the same stories simultaneously. And stranger yet, at any moment the situation can suddenly reverse itself and yeste

mircea_popescu: "I have little direct evidence about the atrocities in the Spanish civil war. I know that some were committed by the Republicans, and far more (they are still continuing) by the Fascists. But what impressed me then, and has impressed me ever since, is that atrocities are believed in or disbelieved in solely on grounds of political predilection. Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those o

punkman: "Matt Green, a professor specializing in cryptography at Johns Hopkins University, said he has looked at the GnuPG source code and found it in such rough shape that he regularly assigns chunks of it to his students for review. At the end I ask how they felt about it and they all basically say: 'God, please I never want to do something like this again'"

mircea_popescu: oh i had the wrong talk :p

punkman: asciilifeform: yes I have perused (even before #b-a ;)

mircea_popescu: sad because you thought "one day i too will be stupid and senile like graham" ?

punkman: I remember his "The Future of Programming" talk, made me sad

punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011347 << that's what I have, wedges ☝︎

asciilifeform: i may never have sat down to play with it had the library not thrown out (yes) the only book on it therein.