asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried electric heat. blows out the breakers, the place is powered via extension cord

asciilifeform: by co2 ?!!

asciilifeform: unless you burn motherfuckin hydrogen

asciilifeform: no way around it.

asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks. ☟︎

asciilifeform: also same problem

asciilifeform: on wooden floor ?!

asciilifeform: the handle was thermoplastic iirc (as on frying pan)

asciilifeform: 'Mr. Heater' F232000.

asciilifeform: gasenwagen.

asciilifeform: and nonsense, it does not all burn off.

asciilifeform: i have what is supposed to be a spiffy propane heater in the workshop, it is not endurable for more than half hour or so

asciilifeform: but slower co poisoning than with tank ?

asciilifeform: must've smelled delicious

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: neighbours had it ?

asciilifeform: and why waste oil

asciilifeform: either

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what was it, stirling engine ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja lap it ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha! and it ran ? for how long ?

asciilifeform: and without shaking the oh-precious princess therein, to death

asciilifeform: or where handmade mercedes drives 100 miles WITHOUT needing new piston rings

asciilifeform: like the one where semiconductors are made out of horse shit in medieval castles

asciilifeform: because those are the lands of magical pixies

asciilifeform: we can say a few meaningful things about where it WON'T go

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but that's perfectly pedestrian 'mad max' remnants-of-the-old, rather than ab initio 'for the 15k!1111'

asciilifeform: (where german tanks sank into the earth)

asciilifeform: or to drive same mercedes on ru mud road

asciilifeform: i would like to watch pete_dushenski make a piston for his mercedes without carbide tooling

asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'perhaps' l0l

asciilifeform: phf: you know very well what happened

asciilifeform: what do you suppose a tungsten carbide endmill would cost if created by hand in quantity of three ?

asciilifeform: the materials ?

asciilifeform: aha! good. do you recall the tooling ?

asciilifeform: even as tourist

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i've been wondering, you ever set foot in a factory of whatever type ?

asciilifeform: and if this doesn't look like 'cryptocurrency', don't complain, it is THE logical 'car for the k00l d00dz and not the 15m maggots'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other. ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374417 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373684 << iirc putin is giving out phreeeee land there (encumbered with must-build-house and no-sale-for-xx-years conditions, but still) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373654 << anybody ever read kornbluth's short story 'marching morons' ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: (which, of course, would mean that a correct vtron does not presently exist...)

asciilifeform: and if i include ALL DEPENDENCIES it should take no more than a day to read.

asciilifeform: if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !!

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373434 << while this is a correct description, i would also like to add that a ~correct~ vtron is also defined as being SPECIFICALLY NOT THIS : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370325 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: the one in the skinning machine

asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week ☟︎

asciilifeform: sorta like that skinless chick

asciilifeform: so with this dawning on me, i can't defend the rest of the piece, it sorta blows in pieces in the wind.

asciilifeform: e.g., both of my parents were.

asciilifeform: but actually kreinin is getting one thing catastrophically wrong, it is entirely possible to get dekulakized ~out of one's profession~

asciilifeform: gonna tell me that a sawmill is the same as knowing-how-to-remove-appendix ?

asciilifeform: but is the choice between 'accumulate capital' and 'smoke dope' ? or is it about ~what kind~ of capital

asciilifeform: then i must be thick.

asciilifeform: he is saying, or so i read, 'if you are a typical small person you are defenseless and will be raped, so have a very small cunt with spikes'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372769 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2014#855658 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: and to not be able to do a lick to stop it

asciilifeform: i fully expect to be robbed of everything

asciilifeform: without dirigible.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not ~you~, but ~normal person~

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373346 << if you have a box with gcc5, just format the hdd and start over, sanely ☝︎

asciilifeform: raedah: where in nature ?

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373287 << i'd quite enjoy learning what part of that piece mircea_popescu disagreed with ☝︎

asciilifeform: it just needs you and a local construction equipment shop.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: like any ~really good~ tech, it needs no kickstarter

asciilifeform: (man-portable)

asciilifeform: and a novel crucible design for this purpose.

asciilifeform: but aside from this, it was ok, fella determined, through laborious trial & error, a recipe for a very reasonable ~thermate~ which cremated usb stick to ashes with 7g of powder.

asciilifeform: only films.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373279 << incidentally THERE WAS NO THERMITE!!111 at the motherfucking talk. suit was 'symbolic!11'. i shit thee not. ☝︎

asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_manufactured_gas#/media/File:Drawing_the_retorts_at_the_Great_Gas_Establishment_Brick_Lane.png << spiffy pic

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: (prolly will have to hit the library at some point...)

asciilifeform: i'd like to find out how they handled digging, rights-of-way, and whether they shared what today folks call 'last mile'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373771 << how many gas companies were there in 1820 london ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: if you have the patience.

asciilifeform: it has the holes.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373759 << aaaaactually you can solder the sata plug on ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << did anybody ever suggest keccak ?!!! did i sleep through this?! ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing. ☝︎

asciilifeform: for all the good it does.

asciilifeform: !s lifecoin

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373744 << hey, false. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (caps the life of the machine at about 2y)

asciilifeform: it absolutely ANNIHILATED longevity. witness, e.g., plastic bicycle derailleurs

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373792 << helped that plastic (esp. of the fine-detailed injection mold variety) was not yet a thing ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, it

asciilifeform: (and the set before them)

asciilifeform: like my colleagues

asciilifeform: he drives. even to coffee across the street.

asciilifeform: incidentally, one interesting fact perhaps unknown outside of usaschwitz is that one assumption baked into these 'shoes' is that owner DOES NOT WALK

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << phun phakt: i bought a new (fiddybuck) pair of shoes a week before blasting off to conf3 in b-a. these shoes began to show visible 'asking for porridge' the week i came back. mostly in tatters now. ☝︎

asciilifeform: it blew my mind that 'civilized' usa does not

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373783 << aha, we had this in '80 su ☝︎

asciilifeform: as in rail.

asciilifeform: ah now this i recall.

asciilifeform: tax was scarcely a thing at the time/place ?