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asciilifeform: can just as easily have linear coils on pistons
asciilifeform: you get as much or little torque as you want, motors take pwm
mircea_popescu: and much better than any fucking converted lawnmower they sell as generator, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: yes but i mean, on sale as a product.
mircea_popescu: i want an unit which lifts up the bridge, plugs into the car as if it were a wheel, and then simply converts.
asciilifeform: ( tricky to get that 160 out as dc current tho )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:41 asciilifeform: but as i currently understand, my q reduces to 'find The Formula For Primes' (tm)(r), a millenium-long headache for mathematical folx , to this day unsolved.
asciilifeform: just as he will take advantage of having airplane, and satellite, and armies, etc.
apeloyee: consider that the enemy will certainly take advantage of your willful ignorance of atmospheric conditions (as known from bbc,etc), as you will up the power
asciilifeform: as for atmospheric conditions, station has no way of knowing them ☟︎
asciilifeform: can also restate as 'how slowly'
asciilifeform: could restate problem as 'maximize # of bits that can be sent before you gotta move'
apeloyee: df for usg for free << correlation attacks work but are neither easy nor cheap. if they only exchange 10% of the traffic, will take 10x as long to find you, unless they know the key
asciilifeform: it works just as well in attic.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's original q could be restated as 'how to achieve same thing as satellite, but without any'
asciilifeform: incidentally the problem as originally stated, 'communicate across planet with a few watt, reliably, unjammably, and as close to undetectably as possible' was obsession of usg in 1940s-50s; and was declared 'solved enough' when satellite was built.
apeloyee: most of the processing is local << if a known вредитель, that means siege. otherwise they need to exchange ~approx as much data as can be fit in spectrum. obv can't reuse the very same spectrum. hence lasers/sound/cables. can be sabotaged. them low noise receiver must cost quite some $$$.
asciilifeform: also i suspect that 'avoid gestapo' is a very small superset of the much harder 'physically undetectable'. for example, if you pirate on an already unusably-polluted band, you would probably never Have Problems for so long as you are not distinguishable from the usual polluters ( e.g. led light bulbs and other filth )
apeloyee: e.g.balloon tx'ing can masquerade as thunder
asciilifeform: nope, but purely physical invisibilities are a-ok. as radio per se is invisible to savages who never heard of radio.
asciilifeform: so long as i can force the 2 ends of the line, to differ in such a way as to carry information
asciilifeform: what's to stop it from being exactly same spectrally as motor, if that's what i want ?
apeloyee: the transmitter disguised as motor
apeloyee: Do you have any data as to how distinguishable defective motors are? e.g. it's probably an impulse filtered with a min-phase filter. whereas fake motor probably won't be.
apeloyee: aha, so you're ok with the method produces junk, so long as the primes in range are equidistributed?
asciilifeform: i want a method, as stated above, where inputs map one-to-one and onto, the primes , up to the register width.
asciilifeform: but as i currently understand, my q reduces to 'find The Formula For Primes' (tm)(r), a millenium-long headache for mathematical folx , to this day unsolved. ☟︎
apeloyee: can't. I was sarcastic, because I don't see how CRT construction can amplify, assuming not obviously broken/backdoored RNG. why won't long-range correlations kill mthe "pick random prime" method as well?
apeloyee: at that point might as well give up
apeloyee: it's not the same method as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733339 ☝︎
asciilifeform: apeloyee: did you read same bernstein as was linked ? pretty clearly pins 'constructed primes'
asciilifeform: 'Further computations were consistent with the guess that p and q were being generated as powers of 65537 modulo L, where L was either the product of all primes through 691, or the product of all primes through 701.'
shinohai: You may remember Vitalik from other great books such as "How to run a quantum computing scam to raise capital for a crypto scam" and "Dress like a furfag and cook your own meth!"
shinohai: Shit has more rollbacks than Walmart as it is.
davout: or maybe they'll grow used to having Ctrl+Z as a thing
mircea_popescu: !~later tell apeloyee http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-123449 let's get teh guy involved as well.
asciilifeform: as described on trilema and elsewhere, usd ain't money, it's 'money[*]', and the * typically includes 'cannot be spend on defense from usg'
trinque: soon as you want a chromium browser you're gonna get it
asciilifeform: this one clearly built as reusable item -- nipple valve
BingoBoingo: Peru's a no go. Only independent "datacenters" advertising as such there aren't in the colo business. They are in the Pinoy spam for Espanol speakers business
jurov: Lastly, as an appeal to any trace of ocd present, links to individual deeds are relative already, and i don't see why the difference.
jurov: also, with only relative links, one can use the mirror as local files without any changes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-05#1733088 << try as i might , i cannot tell who , if anyone, is the ant, and who , if anyone - the anteater ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and can just as easily substitute ~actual~ otp in place of the prng, if you like , the exact mechanics of generating the noise waveform are irrelevant other than for the fact that they must be repeatable )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 16:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the bait and switch thing. reddit started life as a sort of 4chan with a jump, ie the little girl's not on the page, but you have to click. this wasn't accidental, because their phase 2 ("growth phase" eh) consisted of the exact value proposition : add your crap to reddit, watch people click on it. once growth stopped they dropped the bait, switched to "we will control the conversation in this ever-so-importan
asciilifeform: 'not using hunter's equipment' still requires a meaningful difference to exist. just as in the case described in old trilema, where some illiterate camel fucker reinvented caesar's cipher ( and unsurprisingly exactly as breakable as if caesar were resurrected and using his , because why not , despite 'not issued by hunter')
mircea_popescu: i suppose. though really the problem as far as interests here is this : presented with an "aberration", in natural noise you really can't tell whether relevant ; whereas in gaussian noise you generally can guess.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not the best term for it, as it's metaphorical rather than descriptive.
apeloyee: if you use wide spectrums, you get back to the problem of, "nature has more energy to burn than you do" << I'm unsure. Shannon-Hartley thorem sez that at least in its conditions, using as wide spectrum as poosible is optimal.
asciilifeform: ( as all existing radios use )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: difficult is ok. so long as for intended man -- possible, for the unintended -- impossible.
apeloyee: I concede I don't have a good estimate as to the amount of information a fixed location's good for
apeloyee: can just as easily be, say, 17 sources geographically dispersed , working in concert << you would not particuraly need fancy modulations then
asciilifeform: can just as easily be, say, 17 sources geographically dispersed , working in concert
apeloyee: two stations won't let you recover the signal, of course; just know something's there as soon as it transmitted enough bits (literally!)
asciilifeform: they sit around and 'make rules' for it, same as 'for blockchain laundering' etc.
asciilifeform: oh upstack re radios, the 'why not use aperidic wave, and entire spectrum' thing was of course not long ago hannobockized and redhatized by usg shills, as 'uwb (ultrawideband)' and 'regulated' and other rubbish. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so... nsa wants to keep in touch with the whatever community, and idle tards of ~same value as a pig their size want to be kept in touch with.
mircea_popescu: many many years ago. but the item is exactly descriptive. one day, white petrus shows up at so and so office, starts picking up the trash and acting as if he works there for visitors.
asciilifeform: exactly like the 'cypherpunks' as described by phf in old thread
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, it is a kind of primitive voice-powered usenet group, with the diff that you can get gestapo to pick up spammers
asciilifeform: ( though as often car as bus )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must be one of the folx who brings own bomb on every plane, as in the famous anecdote, 'probability of 2 bombs is epsilon'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "british researchers" as they're known in the romanian press will receive all sorts of signals, even when no signals there.
BingoBoingo read that as bong water
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732693 << the danielpbarron eulora thing is intended as work-in-progress os basis for eulora (the mmorpg). it is not specifically secure yet ; it is however cleanner, in that less spurious / unnecessary / unknown or incomprejhensioble stuff included. ☝︎
diana_coman: oh, oh; as far as I know there were 2 versions at least and one of them with 80kB, yes
asciilifeform: as in, addr space
vlad56324: that's creepy as fuck. Consider that a couple of years ago i was feeling safe generating paper wallets on a online ubuntu distro
asciilifeform: consider that in the age of 1990s microshit, it was not necessary for a box to have modem at all, to be infected ( just as today )
vlad56324: basically i'm on ubuntu since a lot of time, then after reading i've discovered some useful networking instruments such as tcptrack
asciilifeform: yesterday i learned that there exists a similar subculture in academia as pertains to 'covert radio' ( see 'olivia' thread )
ben_vulpes: the corn syrup says maple syrup, that means it's just as good and certainly cheaper at any rate
ben_vulpes: well there's a whitepaper, that makes it just as good as bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732541 << or could simply use fg as is, neh ☝︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: always lusted after those as a youf but never had much chance to fiddle with 'em. unobtanium for young pete's budget but glad to hear they're still running strong
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, for various definitions of resolve; I'm satisfied that problem was as identified i.e. pl2303x vs pl2303
asciilifeform: just as it is conceivable that , e.g., despite FG comes with schematics and agonizingly pedantic description of what it is, more than enough for martians to replicate it to last resistor, there are prolly still folx who were unpleasantly surprised
asciilifeform: the cost of selling moonpalaces is to become known as a seller of moonpalaces.
mircea_popescu: a deal can be anything. a stupid deal, or a deal of no economic value or relevancy, such as me offering for sale my palace on the moon, with the footnote that as far as i know there's no palaces on the moon and if there were i don't know of owning any is one thing. fraud begins later on.
mircea_popescu: preorders as such are a few steps closer to sanity than this.
mircea_popescu: so : being rich protects one from action on fraud, on the basis of being able to make restitution and only as far as that lasts.
mircea_popescu: yes, and advertised as such.
mircea_popescu: would you advertise yourself as "bitcoin seller" or as "commission-powered bitcoin hunter of future bitcoins and advisor extraordinaire evanghelizist at large" ?
mircea_popescu: somehow the entire ukistan real estate market has little problem identifying the latter case as a scam.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:07 mircea_popescu: "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of the milking of tomorrow when you own a cow is not "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of davout's isp that davout neither owns nor will but for 0 reasons feels within himself a swelling indicating that he's just as good as one who does, and therefore in a small manner, as if by contagion, he also will. because he "could".
mircea_popescu: first of all not the "victim" of "his own success" as it's called.
mircea_popescu: "everyday substitutes for categories as provided by tv"
mircea_popescu: fellow identieis me as you know, "scenariul pesedisto-antenist". right ? on the basis of something he's read, or w/e, encountered in his daily lyf.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> orcs are slow. <- from my personal experience this is actually a rather reliable empirical measure of how much someone groks reality as is; the analogy would be as to how far away they are from it, hence how much it takes for the "light" to travel aka them to see it; for some the splendours of Rome are visible only now so they still hold today's Rome to be the greatest thing; others are still seeing the Habsburg
asciilifeform: asciilifeform confessed to a cabbie that he wants to move, and cabbie looked as if asciilifeform grew a cock on his forehead ☟︎
asciilifeform: and plenty of folx knew. but it is exactly same picture as in mircea_popescu's 'vina batranilor'
mircea_popescu: "clean the slums" very specifically means -- an effort by the early pantsuit to remove local autonomy from the poor. yes they'll be just as poor -- the important point is to make sure the landlord is one of us not one of them.
asciilifeform: if usg 'borrows' something from me, i dun expect to see it again 'like own ears without mirror', because mother did not drop me as a child
asciilifeform: this only worx because they've dressed ordinary tribute collection as 'borrowing', and ordinary mongol rape as 'lending'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-03 12:08 mircea_popescu: yes futures exist, as a financial derivative. no the millenials' meat isn't worth money "because human rights and democrcy" ; nor has argentina's masfuturo a financiable value.
mircea_popescu: the problem, however, seems to be that your mind is actually regressing to the mean, and you find yourself in 2017 making the type of arguments you'd have readily recognized as an idiot's (not even a scammer's ; some people are too dumb to actually scam in that they have not the intelligence required to create a space between themselves and their victims, so they're just fucking everyone over without mens rea for lack of a m
mircea_popescu: yes futures exist, as a financial derivative. no the millenials' meat isn't worth money "because human rights and democrcy" ; nor has argentina's masfuturo a financiable value. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of the milking of tomorrow when you own a cow is not "stuff that doesn't exist yet" in the sense of davout's isp that davout neither owns nor will but for 0 reasons feels within himself a swelling indicating that he's just as good as one who does, and therefore in a small manner, as if by contagion, he also will. because he "could". ☟︎
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732242 << shit. So it is. Looks like I fail the intelligence test, as per: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732028 ☝︎☝︎