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valentinbuza: "to improve their experience." leads to "Which top sites are users visiting?" :)) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( firefox is the one that has the added 'feature' of eating GBs of ram for no reason ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: all of the graphical wwwtrons are, afaik, ~same.
valentinbuza: gave up chrome long time ago for firefox (with noscript + self destructing cookies). now I should start looking for alternatives. ☟︎
asciilifeform: valentinbuza: 'lynx' is, i think, quite popular among the folx here
valentinbuza: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.governance/81gMQeMEL0w << Firefox discussing to anonymously collect browsing data. What browsers are you using?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701790 << would be interesting to read moar re this ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: you get 300k transistors and that's that, use'em well.
asciilifeform: 1980s chips were jewels not because of any magic, but because the option of bloat was simply unavailable to hardware designers then.
asciilifeform: when saw that the ~original~ src was a pile of shithacks, lost interest in anything but the electron microscopy path ( like it or not, 1uM process folks were ~forced~ to make compact description ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform spent ~years~ sawing both apart in ida. until learned that the whisperers have the source, recently even on shithub.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701775 << the original bolix emulator was handwritten in asm for dec alpha ( which is why dks sells (sold?) alphas, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186 ) . the x86-64 port never ~quite~ worked, it was a hasty c rewrite. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701530 << recall the original "fpga" miners, serials shaved items "while supplies lasted" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701786 << asic miners. the original 'asics' were actual shaved fpga. the next gen -- were 'hardcopy fpga', the cheapest fab available, where you just get to define metallization layer and naught else ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun care so much re the name, but elaborating re the resistance.
mod6: I'm open to suggestions for re-name.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:31 asciilifeform: i don't much like the phrase 'trusted nodes', when you connect to trb node, you get plaintext tcp, and 0 guarantees re who or what you're actually talking to.
mod6: I don't think these belong permanently in the SoBA each month. It would be probably a good idea for individuals who own these nodes to sign their Node IP and send that to the btc-dev mailing list. However, I seem to recall some resistance to that.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << Sounds like there should be a link to the trusted-nodes page in the HOWTO maybe. Also, a once per-month round-up of me asking for Node-Updates, if there are any. ☝︎☟︎
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << thanks will add these to the list @ http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html ☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B929C2CA50C9AC4FECF9C063980D211F1FABDFF7E5FBC47809099014E5E92038 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...7539 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.186.163 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.186.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ve1097242242.providerbox.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B929C2CA50C9AC4FECF9C063980D211F1FABDFF7E5FBC47809099014E5E92038 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1689...8337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.186.163 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.186.163 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ve1097242242.providerbox.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA95E086BED135A67EA6B95E0071AA22CF55152588AB8E540E61F11E802BEE6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1545...8109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '191.32.60.22 (ssh-rsa key from 191.32.60.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (191.32.60.22.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. BR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA95E086BED135A67EA6B95E0071AA22CF55152588AB8E540E61F11E802BEE6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1723...3427 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '191.32.60.22 (ssh-rsa key from 191.32.60.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (191.32.60.22.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. BR)
asciilifeform: if you don't do this -- you are very likely to have all N die at once, on same day.
asciilifeform uses this method, worx
asciilifeform: say you have 4 holes. use 3 mechanicals + 1 ssd, then few months in, replace a mechanical, then again, year later, whole thing is ssd that will not ever simultaneously burn , in theory. ☟︎
asciilifeform: pro tip : stagger them in age, by 3-4 months, the first time you build a hardware raid5 from ssds
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701821 << i do this in my flagship wurkstationx -- but it is expensive, 'trim' dun work properly through hardware raid, they burn even faster than in singles. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i use it in workstations. but the cost is imho misplaced in a trb node, which are supposed to be a redundancy layer p2pfully in themselves !
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701735 << very much this. raid arrays are cheap and easy these days, monodisc systems are a little weird for this reason.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701819 << ~actual~ - i.e. ~hardware~ raid -- ain't cheap, even the controller, and mobo with actual slots, for it to sit down in, each cost more than all of zoolag ! ☝︎
asciilifeform: primarily because just a basic nic controller itself would take up a whole ice40 ( ice is their low-end, barebones cpld series, and was reverses without any cooperation - through kicking and screaming of, even - lattice co )
asciilifeform: but lattice per se is EXACTLY like xilinx, same profit model, closed arch, license 'ip cores'. their larger flagship fpga is exactly like xilinx 'spartan', full of proprietary peripherals, and that's the one that tends to get packaged into devboards with nic etc ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701554 << incidentally, has anyone tried to talk to the lattice folk ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701794 << lattice dun make the boards ☝︎
asciilifeform: on top of all this... betcha the canonical ref implementation is in overflowlang.
asciilifeform: pretty typical usg production
asciilifeform: ( implementation becomes an underhanded-C-contest in concealing the fact of ~any~ box running the idiocy reverting to nullcipher on demand ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: '0. No confidentiality. This payload is sent in cleartext.'
asciilifeform: the 'noise protocol' link is hilarious -- even features the classic leper's bell of nsa committee , the null-cipher ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:51 asciilifeform: not a single symmetric cipher other than otp has ever been proven to be worth a sparrow's fart.
asciilifeform: the other lul in the 'noise protocol' is the use of symmetric ciphers ☟︎
asciilifeform: as for diffie hellman, it is nsatronic , and this is fairly well known at this point ( whether because timing side channel, primes-which-ain't, and other sabotage of concrete implementations- or more fundamentally broken - is unknown )
asciilifeform: dh in the logz is... 'dieharder'
spyked: valentinbuza, "Noise is a framework for crypto protocols based on Diffie-Hellman key agreement. Noise can describe protocols that consist of a single message as well as interactive protocols." in what's a tradition here, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dh I'll let the more knowledgeable ppl hammer it.
shinohai: http://archive.is/0TOaA "The US Navy orders "Operational pause" as it teaches sailors to actually navigate waters and use GPS, whilst all llitoral combat ships are refitted with pykrete ☟︎
valentinbuza: spyked, people who are serious about transport security (data in transit) shy away from TLS and they craft their own stripped down version using Noise Protocol Framework (http://noiseprotocol.org/index.html) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 08:29 mircea_popescu: and then /me runs into http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05b-https-war-declaration.html and it's like... dawg's been reading trilema has he.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701836 <-- also, starting point for discussions with certain meatwot people who keep insisting that https "just works", and "why don't you propose an alternative", despite their having tried the alternative in ~1st university year. ☝︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701835 <-- was mostly an exercise in translating from communist "wooden tongue" to english newspeak. a lot of similarities there. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 05:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701444 << you can work towards the fuck you please. like say the http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=balanced+ternary or the http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=serial+computer or so on.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701768 <-- foodforthought. thanks! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 05:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701432 << ah you two know each other ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 05:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701414 << empire is not organised towards "protecting of the proles" or any other statement with the proles as a subject. the proles (understood deductively, as "all people", just as they understand govenment deductively, see prev discussion), as well as the environment generally are the objects, not the subjects of imperial discourse.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701761 <-- well, but. "won't somebody think of the children!" this goes on and on. it never happens in fact (as the avg gyppo in the slums of bucharest -- or "banlieue", n'est-ce pas? -- can certify), but it happens in speech. hence attempt to regulation that only increases coefficient of friction in sane economic activity. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and then /me runs into http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05b-https-war-declaration.html and it's like... dawg's been reading trilema has he. ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A922DD117C7DBCEA3AFB8DF5085F0A18C37B6C58FA2BA5D6B2A4D56DF0370AED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...7083 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.74.183 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.74.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-58-10-74-183.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 10)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A922DD117C7DBCEA3AFB8DF5085F0A18C37B6C58FA2BA5D6B2A4D56DF0370AED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1721...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '58.10.74.183 (ssh-rsa key from 58.10.74.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-58-10-74-183.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 10)
ben_vulpes: comes complete with ~5% tax cut
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, quest to eradicate commute from my life appears to be drawing to a close!
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-19#186295 << yup, sorry for the delay
BingoBoingo: And Qntra stats shows a resurgence of interest in http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/ this month
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 02:48 asciilifeform: it may prove more economical to run spinning disks with slice raid, vs ssd.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701735 << very much this. raid arrays are cheap and easy these days, monodisc systems are a little weird for this reason. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 02:22 asciilifeform: imho this hypothetical exercise falls under the banner of Do. Not. Share. Privkeyz. With. Anyone. It. Never. Ends. Well.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701724 |<< eh relax. i do it all the time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 02:14 asciilifeform: disclosing privs to empty addrs proves ownership to whoever finds them.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701715 << as per ancient alf techs, can just dump the privs later on makes it ok neh :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:43 pete_dushenski: though i'll be damned if i can gather why it is that -connect'ing to 2+ nodes jams up every few hours whereas just 1 node sync beautifully with no issues for days on end.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701674 << this is actually in the logs. in short, badly written "p2p" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:42 pete_dushenski: in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:34 pete_dushenski: "ultimately, the only way that philanthropy is really going to be able to shed its aura of noxious elitism is if the rich give up the reins of control, and allow the poor to make many, many more allocative decisions." << i lolled
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701658 << ooobviously. "imperial charity must be defined as opposite of mp definition, we'll omit referncing trilema notwithstanding it is our source" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: i struggle to imagine the poverty of system that behavior was intended to be useful on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701627 << problem is poverty of mind, not of system. "i don't want to look at large hex strings, they intimidatre me". same exact shit-for-brains that gave us pgp "fingerprints". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:36 asciilifeform: all of the pattern 'have you seen this tx?' 'no...' 'but i sent it to your node and got an ack'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:26 hanbot: yeah, ty. i wonder if it wouldn't be wise to update that list monthly as part of reporting etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 22:22 hanbot: say, where's the current list of trb nodes? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << accurate?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 21:30 spyked hates xilinx with passion. if only because of the bloated software
mircea_popescu: it is ~possible~ they actually don't know what they want / don't want anything specific.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 21:18 asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701554 << incidentally, has anyone tried to talk to the lattice folk ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: easy to condemn this as "a mistake retrospectively", especially if one has nfi what sort of demands an operational approach places on the labour pool.
mircea_popescu: ay, trynna make money for da rent.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:26 asciilifeform: imho it is strange that the contract on him had to wait until ceaucescu dead
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:21 asciilifeform: now it is ~possible~ that the spec is disinfo, and in basement of kgb there is a rewritten alteratronic chain. but imho unlikely.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701538 << no, the raw die theory is on the mopney. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:16 asciilifeform begins to suspect that these folx simply got a hold of american raw dies and make a killing mounting them in sov-era specced ceramic cases with gold pins, and calling it 'new production'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701530 << recall the original "fpga" miners, serials shaved items "while supplies lasted" ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:06 phf: pff, russian tech. spec is produced by kiril after sit in room with 2 fpga (such luxury, whole two!) and bread for three months
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701525 << i have no idea why but this is overpowerly funny. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: your parents being rich and your friendly relations with all the elite of the town and generally your comfortable situation is a fucking baseline, not a high water mark, wtf is this, peaking in highschool like african women ?
mircea_popescu: there's no particular requirement that the person building an ironclad factory does not own the sailship drydock in town. on the fucking contrary ; the sign of the drydock owner ~being an idiot~ is their not building an ironclad factory right down the shoreline.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:05 phf: to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701518 << the implicit point does not prevail with me because i personally ran a revolution from the very comfortable setting of my burgeois setting. you can ; and in fact the better revolutions go exactly like that. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system. ☝︎☟︎