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mircea_popescu: hydration is prolly going
to emphysema-kill you in weeks at
the most. sorta in-between
mircea_popescu: kanzure fluid respiration does happen, and has happened since
the 70s. it's not even
that costly, biologically. lung NUTRITION however is impossibru.
kanzure: well you didn't say it; but let's stick
to
the deriving-from-authority concept eh?
kanzure: claiming
that it's not supposed
to look like noise (explicitly after saying
that was your goal) is just insane
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha! it's like mp-berylium
that
thing,
totally reflects my memory rays.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz we're patient and
tolerant and i have a houseful of
teenagers, mr grouch.
mircea_popescu: ie, "why do you know so much about string
theory ?" "because im on
this biker forum and
this guy steve keeps posting articles about it" "yes but... it's neither
that important nor interesting" "i dunno"
kanzure: hash functions are supposed
to look like noise you dolt
mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY
too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the problem with
the current crop of kids is
that
they're so used
to have OTHERS pick
their reading materials for
them.
kanzure: if operatig
the yudkowsy parody
twitter account for five years is insufficient
to convince you
that i absolutely hate
the person,
then what would?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: every membrane will have a pore. it's only natural. dja know
the joke with
the horny bear ?
mircea_popescu: eh.
think of it
this way, if people didn't have barriers at all
they'd be goo.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 20:26 asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from
the
trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could
tell ) rat << And
time + selective breeding some well built bulls in Belgium
mircea_popescu: so basically,
this is a sort of republic-like, some people got
together
trying
to do [what
their idea of] good is. not nearly as dead as cat-v.org
thing for instance.
mircea_popescu: hey, for every single articulation
there's multiple positions, and
the shit we dabble in is many articulations long. combinatorial explody.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you run a grep on
the site over my name or what
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are
the digital equivalent of women : men fuck
them so
the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
mircea_popescu: as oft discussed,
the current system excists as does because satoshi was a lazy
thinker.
mircea_popescu: the problem is
that
the money users pay is pocketed by
the miners for mining ; whereas it should be pocketed by miners + nodes for mining + noding.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right
through vx. << AHA, an innovation
to revolutionize pest control!
mircea_popescu: the problem is not one of proof, here, and it is imperial nonsensemachine
to misrepresent it in
terms of proof.
mircea_popescu: user pays for
tx via fee.
that's 100% all he has
to do. if he should pay more, let
the fee be more.
there's not going
to be any
tack-ons in kind, it's a monetary system not fucking 1800s serfdom.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, *
Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics,
transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by
the Federal Death Administration (5
times)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for one
thing because i want
to be able
to spend by hand.
mircea_popescu: you are discussing
the composition of said proofstring ; i was giving
the ur-example of what he's
talking about, "make USERS prove
they have
the blockchain, not miners".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like pubkey = hash(hash(privkey+proofstring) . privkey). you publish
the pubkey AND
the hash(privkey+proofstring) component.
then when spending
they check
that indeed
the proofstring component was correct.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you can't put
that sort of burden on key generation. he has a point with
the babbage quote, you're
trying
to put contraryt
things in
the same box.
kanzure: i
think
the most mature construction was one
that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides:
they could be running a fake client
that solely does
these rule validation protocols or whatever, and
then
they don't actually run a node in
the end)
kanzure: yea you can prove
that
they are hashing a value of blocchain content (or doing rule validation) with
the presence of a secret nonce, etc.
kanzure: well, i agree, however you can include a private key in
the scheme, and if
the user is outsourcing
their private key
they are dumb anyway
kanzure: so, i had a proposal a while back where i pushed
that question
to
the edges instead of
to
the miners; e.g. a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying
to determine whether
the recipient is actually running a node (because why would you send coins
to a monkey
that isn't running
the bitcoin protocol).
kanzure: they can have many invalid
things, as long as
they choose
to broadcast
the valid
thing
kanzure: can you riterate
the value of proving
they have a copy of
the blockchain. what you really need is a proof
that everyone else has a copy of
the blockchain (e.g. all utxo owners sign
the damn content).
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 19:32 asciilifeform: ooook
try
this on for size : suppose fixed-width
TX (as discussed earlier.)
T(N) is
the Nth
tx,
T(0) is
the first
tx in genesis block, etc.
Tmax is
the last
tx in
the currentheightblock.
kanzure: one way i was
thinking was something like, move
the
transaction merkle root out of
the blockheader, eliminate
the block header, full
transaction list must be
transmitted in order
to verify PoW. unfortunately gmaxwell broke
this in 3 seconds (because midstate).
kanzure: block content is actually not sufficient. even if you include a nonce (like a private key) plus
the previous block content, you don't actually get what you need
there in
the sha3 proposal.
mircea_popescu: "'I
think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost
their bitcoins." as opposed
to "he actually blew up
the early feelers of
teh cartel a year ago, we're STILL butthurt about it".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember
the days when "teh cartel didn't exist" ?
kanzure: you're asking me why miners would want a central organization
to control bitcoin....?
kanzure: no i mean coercing me into saying
things
that i don't believe
kanzure: ya
the miners were
trying
to propose a centralized organization.
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: what else did you miss, lessee,
the 1k btc berkshire bet ?