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asciilifeform: whatever happened to him...
mircea_popescu: this is the important point here, be a fucking capitalist already, let time work for you. drop this nonsensical "oh, we can waste resources, inflation wiull make up for it anyway" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: also over time.
mircea_popescu: let them have a microscope that produces something each day.
mircea_popescu: phuctor spits out a few broken keys each day. this accretes, because it's relatively cheaper to do it over time. good luck to anyone trying to replicate it TODAY.
asciilifeform: the puzzler is how to produce it again.
asciilifeform: can 'produce' almost anything by... being at the right surplus auction.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of reproduce. a matter of produce in the first place!
asciilifeform: 'junkyard wars' is a valid approach to technology in a decaying world, but has obvious limits.
asciilifeform: will remark, that microscopes ain't made of meat, either
mircea_popescu: something like that would already be great.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)
mircea_popescu: certainly. but no, sometyhing, anything. "in the past nine years while the republic choked the remnants of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 we at the soviet biolabs have a) deployed ten thousand chips in the back yard resulting in three different bactins ; and have this microscope that spit out 10k gifs. ☝︎
asciilifeform: in re 'amateur bio', in 1990s asciilifeform's brother worked with a d00d who spent his entire pay on surplus dna synths, various iron, liked to remark 'real programmers program lifeforms'. sum of this -- afaik -- was 0.
asciilifeform: aite. ( there's a still-appreciable population of folx who actually go in for 'wet computer' nonsense. )
mircea_popescu: so far the danger doesn't seem too great though.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'd be absolutely exstatic if the wetware computing progressed along while we're busy with the hardware ones.
asciilifeform also thinks 'would be great if it were'
mircea_popescu: my oldest emails are from the 90s, and were left behind with the 386 pine-running system that housed them. probably of interest, but not really to me.
phf: (and in completely unrelated to anything lulz, i just discovered that the very first email in my email archive, june 2006 is an allegro lisp trial license)
mircea_popescu: 1`319`523 words in comments there.
mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is. ☟︎
phf: the wisdom of this joke is lost on me. though past few days the joke that's on my mind the most is, the one about shtirlitz: borman i shtirlitz pyut vmeste. borman govorit, "shtirlitz, a ved vi yevrey!" "Net!" govorit shtirlitz "Ya russkii!!!"
asciilifeform: kanzure: but you did not condemn the idiocy, in linked text. so i gotta wonder.
asciilifeform: kanzure: we had the thread here.
kanzure: why are you learning about that from me
phf: my cousin asked me if i'm "into the whole bitcoin" thing, and mentioned that they now sell houses and stuff using btc. i said i heard about it..
asciilifeform: kanzure: wouldja like to defend this atrocity ?
asciilifeform: ( almost guarantee that i'll fry one when pinout finally materializes and it's time to plug'em in )
asciilifeform: i'd still trade with him, moar ivories, merrier
phf: asciilifeform: he fucked up his scheduling, but afaik he's still comming to dc in november.
asciilifeform: phf: neato. fwiw my ivory-trading d00d seems to have cancelled
phf: asciilifeform: speaking of doing things with limited resources. fyi i'm in zeptobar slav land with an ivory chip.
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> well who's at the top then << i am, aren't i.
kanzure: it's reason to shut them up
mircea_popescu: heck, people are terrifyingly bad at fucking, also.
mircea_popescu: anyway. people are way the fuck worse at science than they are at politics ; and women ESPECIALLY so. but the general population sucking is not a reason to ignore the field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw something similar re "philosophy". so let's ask again, you know, "Why is the FBI not focused on the soup"
asciilifeform: 16:04 < cluckj> technology is politics made concrete *flees*
mircea_popescu: phf i perceive he's trying. doesn't know how is separate issue.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's no automatic fuck yous. << Penis in butt?
phf: mircea_popescu: i actually think we had a thread. activity is either happening, and thus further cultivated (i.e. doers encouraged, talkers are shed, whatever the method), or else there's nothing happening at all. in a sense that you can't draw your pistol faster than your draw speed, so there's nothing really to worry about. i ~suspect~ that there's just no effective culling happening
BingoBoingo: Anyways arbitration process is rarely an automatic "fuck you", have to pursue it
mircea_popescu: anmyway, on the strength of what you presented you got a few k's worth of go away money there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usgistic 'memberships' ( and this case was no exception ) routinely contain a 'we can do WHATEVER the fuck we feel like, incl. throw you out by the ears' clause.
BingoBoingo got a speeding ticket earlier this month. In ~two weeks there is a hearing on motions and discovery
mircea_popescu: up to you.
mircea_popescu: sue them ?
mircea_popescu: ah. so then proper statement is, "alf has no use for them"
asciilifeform: got tired of feeding the scambeast.
asciilifeform: i used to do just that
asciilifeform: lately asciilifeform cannot even use the library catalogue. copyrights, you see. 'students only'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform lives next to a large reservation for these creatures. lab that makes usg-approved, 'law-abiding' drones; ic fab which makes safely-useless rubbish; electron microscope where asciilifeform is not invited within cannon's breadth, even for money; etc
mircea_popescu: you know they're not going to do anything worth the mention as part of the definition.
mircea_popescu: "Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences?" << because people coming from "traditional" are already neutered.
mircea_popescu: yes. and what a lulz that was.
asciilifeform: and what the result was ?
asciilifeform: hey hey mircea_popescu , do you remember back when fbi/nsa 'engaged with' the 'cryptographer komyoonity' ?
asciilifeform: e're engaged with the FBI, proportionally as the FBI engages in the amateur community. '
asciilifeform: the beginning, we wish to continue the conversation and use this as an exchange of information, so I would say that amateur biology on the stage from the FBI's perspective should not be perceived as us taking the community seriously from a threat or security perspective, these are the whitehats in this room. It's our goal that we operate safely and securely to identify those blackhats if they are out there. .... we're from DNA 2.0. W
asciilifeform: 'FBI question, not biocurious... there's 30k or 40k people getting PhDs in biology, and 100s of people in amateur biology. Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences? Nathan: Well, we're not a one trick pony. We have a lot of assets dedicated to academic biosecurity outreach. We have established such a great relationship with DIYbio from
mircea_popescu: (likbez : the result of microscopy is a set, of levels, that are not numbers in the proper sense. consequently you wish to see a list of them, but can not do implicit color conversions such as blue+yellow = green, because color #45 the microscope saw has nothing to do with #65 or #72)
mircea_popescu: you don't want the "color levels" nonsense of bitmap/jpeg family. you want the gif palette, and a clearly explicit mapping to the electron microscope output.
kanzure: microscopy is supposed to be gifs? next you're going to tell me webm
mircea_popescu: kanzure the overhead of movement is 90% + of the cost you incur ; and 1% or less of the point of interest. microscopy is supposed to be gifs. and correctly colorized so as to allow me to get back the electron microscope original.
asciilifeform: devils move , at room temp, but that's why you crystallography'em
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it's not a 'proper' ray! It's a DEATH ray! No reason to be polite
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> also it's because i feel ashamed for not having thousands of hours of microscopy video already << i hope shame intensifies. but in any case : why the fuck wouldf you make it video.
asciilifeform: 'GMO is not allowed unelss you have a certified lab. The chief of the fire department institute, it's called CDDBTK (what?), but we have a positive dialog about when to file they will give us permission apparently to do GMO work. '
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bullet may have a waveform associated with it, but it's trivial!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890. << Nah, now they jacket the mass of lead atoms with a different metal
phf: why i'd be the next genghis khan in my mind by now
asciilifeform: aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890.
mircea_popescu: neither the future is what it used to be.
phf: if i only i had more men to continue doing nothing with me
kanzure: death rays ain't what they used to be
mircea_popescu: and the eye glasses and you know.
asciilifeform: 'oh and can i borrow the deathray too!'
mircea_popescu: the only time they don't dare is when the girl is right there and she's taller than them and as the song went, "modelul nou de fata s-ar putea sa-l bata"
mircea_popescu: IT IS EVERY TIME
asciilifeform: it was in a trilema
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that time when somebody wrote in and asked mircea_popescu to 'lend him a gurl' ?
mircea_popescu: i'd say that explains it then.
mircea_popescu: you think that's how it works ?!
mircea_popescu: so where can i see today's slides ?
asciilifeform: 'What about if we just block all possible ways to do this? We could block the production of any of these dangerous things? We could have someone decide. But it would also block legit things, and people will work around it. Another thing we could do- we plan to introduce blocks of some sort, but we don't have a plan for how those blocks will work. '
kanzure: nmz787 took an electron microscope. the gigascope never materialized though.
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone can be arsed to process them.
asciilifeform: which is why don't wait for'em to sink 1km down!1111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's still oil in the soil nobod ycould be arsed to process. to this day!
mircea_popescu: "oh mp, this neatly explains how there came to be no jobs in the first place!"
mircea_popescu: "as it is now, you can't have any jobs because there aren't any. but if there were some, you still couldn't have any, this time for being the suck."
mircea_popescu: this is the lulzy dark side of MAGA : supposed it worked, and suppose there were all these jobs... and supposed teh beoble applied, and they were turned down for sucking.
mircea_popescu: all the better that nobody wants their vacuums repaired.
asciilifeform: couplea shades ~below~. you couldn't stay in business as a vacuum repairman with this type of empty skullcase.
mircea_popescu: not a fucking clue, just bumbling idiots barely a shade above the herd they supposedly shepherd through "Science!!"
mircea_popescu: it took hold, and now they are actually dorks.
mircea_popescu: you know, it started with this 80s "judges are not to wear their capes in kid court lest the implicit, intended majesty of office scares children". then the "slightly aloof" but totalluy "genius" uni professor occured in the 90s. he spoke like a dork deliberately.
BingoBoingo: lol, most US meth anymore seems to be made in used soda bottles