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asciilifeform: kanzure: approx. that you might have $B but you can't send it to isis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that distinction is not meaningful. pregnant woman is neither whore nor victim. she's pregnant.
asciilifeform: but my telepsychiatron is broken, so can't say.
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of kanzure from 1 to -10 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715062
asciilifeform: i suppose my interest is very narrowly entomological -- i'd like to know if d00d is boneh or a dupe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is strictly impossible to have. he is dedicated to being stupid, and i suspect by now too old for any change to be even arguably +ev.
asciilifeform: hm i must've missed this thread
mircea_popescu: i would say the matter's come to its natural conclusion : dude's came up with any of the usual explanation of why i'm rich and he's poor ; and will continue with his idiotic tack indefinitely.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do regularly try to find some shared prior.
asciilifeform: and the people who made devil's bargain with usg, supposed 'academics' who lie for money like the lowest crack whore does not.
mircea_popescu: you're so far from any kind of shared priors, there's absolutely no possible result here.
asciilifeform: and the inadmissibility of lossy operations in crypto
asciilifeform: it is about informationtheoretical impossibility of the claim, period
kanzure: i thought this was about authorization
asciilifeform: to show how ludicrous the claim of 'aggregate N signatures into fixed space'
kanzure: anyway thanks for the encouragement about public releasing (d|i)arpa notes
mircea_popescu: ie, if it has seats and a stage there's going to be some kind of fly land on each.
asciilifeform: so kanzure wouldja humour me, and say to me why i cannot compress a 1000TB backup into a 1024byte sig
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is driven by the bar.
mircea_popescu: people-who-go-to-conferences, ie bar flies, will at any point be in a conference hall. this has no relation to anything else.
mircea_popescu: you understand this is how the shit works, yes ? there's the bars, and there's the bar flies, and there's the indie bands. the relationship between all three is entirely coincidental.
asciilifeform: i presume that d00d knows because he is not unintelligent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was there in the sense wino was in bar. it takes a very special sort of someone to imagine they were there because they went to listen to the band.
kanzure: i wasn't aware that i had to report my whereabouts to you guys but whatever
BingoBoingo: Know is a prejudicial un-solarshaded term
mircea_popescu: what's the definition of "know" contemplated here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's meaningless.
asciilifeform: plus obsessed over in the #wizards heathen pit where kanzure is known to dwell
mircea_popescu: you don't correctly grasp the level of superficiality involved.
asciilifeform: and this is only one of the pseudoscientific horrors that boneh is pushing today.
asciilifeform: pray tell why not.
asciilifeform: kanzure: if the year were 1995 and you were on sci.crypt and the denizen loon is promising 'zipper that zips 100MB into 100kB' you would laugh. but you do not laugh at publickkeysignatureaggregation ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:56 mircea_popescu: ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples.
asciilifeform met the d00d in the meat
asciilifeform: boneh is imho an interesting example of a man who thought that intellectual and political integrity were severable ☟︎
BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think he reads anything that's not patently idiotic.
asciilifeform: apple trees on mars!111
kanzure: bilinear maps are the future tho
asciilifeform: kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i can promise you absolutely nobody will ever read it. in this sense "whether it's public" is not unlike rosie mcdowell wondering if her cunt's got privacy.
kanzure: not enough silicon of the type that is used
asciilifeform: see that there living room ? it's to have 50 somalis in it by end of 5yplan.
mircea_popescu: there's not enough si, check that dumb shit out, only the most common material in crust.
kanzure: i typed 50 pages of notes (about 30k words) but i'm not sure it should be considered public
mircea_popescu: THEYRE INSUFFICIENT TODAY! and enoughly so for anyone!
mircea_popescu: how come these tards manage to always "be concerned" about "future" insufficiency ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imagine when those bits spoil in the heat of Utah desert!
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged. ☟︎
kanzure: but the nsa can't use that to capture and store all the packets..
asciilifeform: y'know the meat device for displaying those is already built : there's 1 on my windowsill atm
asciilifeform: and certainly the 'and give each an ipnoje so he'll shuddup' ain't either.
asciilifeform: this 'pack the planet with bodies until everywhere looks like a crowded lift' thing ain't long for this world, kanzure
BingoBoingo: What sand the future processes is the future's problem
asciilifeform: and precisely how are we to run out of si, the #1 abundant element in the planet's crust ?!
kanzure: and i think it's like 1 picogram/bit for flash memory..
asciilifeform: 'folx who refuse to do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' as mccarthy put it
asciilifeform: makes tape look pretty good
kanzure: anyway the concern is that there's not enough pure silicon available to make enough flash memory for future projected demands of like 2^28 bits in ~20 years.
kanzure: sorry, that was the wrong number. 10^14 bits is today's write demand.
kanzure: i was in dc yesterday attending a dna synthesis meeting organied by iarpa. they want 10^14 data write with dna.
kanzure: asciilifeform: so what was your better than inkjet deposition solution thing?
trinque: new meaning to trenchfoot
shinohai: New meaning to "shinebox"
asciilifeform: new meaning to 'bootlicks'
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform is trying the newton'smethod thing
asciilifeform: phf: and gpgram with mircea_popescu , things are in (a sort of ) motion.
asciilifeform: believe or not asciilifeform has 0 usable ties to ru at all. not even the ancient pieces of paper, survived.
asciilifeform: phf: get the corp at least. you're the only 1 here who can at reasonable expense.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714617 << goal is to establish co in moscows, and put a colo on its name? i can make inquiries about at least some of the steps, but not sure i'll be able to perform all the necessary actions in the time left. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: because that's how you resolve the "i can't tell if this young'un is galois or insane" in practice of elder, slower, heavier gents : "follow ONE fucking spur to allow me to organize your nonsense, god damn it!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the boxen : the correct solution to "how much box" is, on the basis of both practical observation (every time tought, either as science, or as art, or as political work worked to date ; not to mention coral growth and everything else) as well as theoretical understanding is to provide SPURS instead of walls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'szilard's engine' believe or not has a more ancient ru peasant existence!111 in the proverb 'Знал бы где упасть -- соломки бы подстелил' .
mircea_popescu: the work is quite specifically k T ln2.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Szilard engine - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/%3Ftitle%3DSzilard_engine%26redirect%3Dno>; Entropy in thermodynamics and information theory - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_information_theory>; Szilard's engine – Powered by Knowledge – The Quantum and ...: <http://www.quantumcomplexity.org/tutorials/knowledge-is-power-the-energy-cont
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if one built a cylinder with independent pistons and a partition, and put a single molecule in, and knew on which side it found itself, that one could extract entropy work out of the assemblage!"
mircea_popescu: it is purely theoretical! as in theoretical physics theoretical.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as information theoretical, seeing how information has an actual thermodynamic backing.
asciilifeform: it's a fundamental tension in ~everything~, because it is in fact an information-theoretical problem and not at all domain-specific
mircea_popescu: too tight and it won't be worth reading, like all the nature science being pushed out by the shovelful.
asciilifeform: ^ thread somewhere
mircea_popescu: too loose and he won't be comprehended, like poisson couldn't read galois, notwithstanding certain talent and ability.
mircea_popescu: and the problem is also a LOT bigger than commonly understood. a scientist's ability to produce anything meaningful is forever trapped in the superifical tension of a very narrow menisc : between him being caught in a certain box ("paradigm") but not in the other one ("orthodoxy").
mircea_popescu: but the phenomenon of "think outside the box! in the sense of out of that one and into this one!" is very widespread, which is why such shock and awe as in eg http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/#comment-119962
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could stretch "hypocrisy" to try and fit it, if you must.
mircea_popescu: that's the advantage of living in a small pond, the exact opposite of the problem of math.
mircea_popescu: no, because the first romanian to ever notice this exists was called mircea popescu.
asciilifeform: oh speaking of this, asciilifeform's pet had response to mircea_popescu's 'o sopirla' : 'there is also an inverse sopirla, where an item has the outward pretense of disobedience, but in fact reaffirms pantsuit orthodoxy. did the romanians have a name for it as well?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the convention is that girls who feel a deep urge to be so abused answer "moo" to that pic.
mircea_popescu: and also, "why make the breast pump hand held when it could be STEEL CHASSIS ?!?!?!" http://68.media.tumblr.com/4305a909780c8c074f0a67accaa6e8b2/tumblr_o6jz94RWl11svlhezo1_1280.jpg
NotEvenWrong: I'm actually about to help a friend dump his
mircea_popescu: back when teh usg still had any hope, it was 0.14x even
NotEvenWrong: many thanks to all for the wonderful logs
mircea_popescu: well, so you deed a good deed, released some schmucks from their burden
NotEvenWrong: Gentlemen! The strangest thing happened to me yesterday: people voluntary exchanged their bitcoin for my bcrash!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at slavegirl camp, "say no to the o!" http://friskyb.tumblr.com/post/165154383535/sntto-day-8
mircea_popescu: anyway, the blm bullshit is straight up argentina import.
mircea_popescu: oh i thought he was talking to passenger
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well he just told them to fuck off and made them get out of his white way
BingoBoingo: "Stockley shot Smith five separate times and prosecutors argued during the trial that Stockley put a gun in Smith’s car after the encounter." << Per the verdict there was no fifth shot.