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ben_vulpes: i'd rather you invest those 5 btc rather than simply give them; it doesn'
t make a great deal fo sense to 'give' a notionally someday-profitable entity money and furthermore i'd rather you didn'
t just wash your hands of the whole thing if i can convince you to stick around.
mod6: Of my own coin. (sorry, didn'
t mean to end the sentence ahead of time).
mircea_popescu: (and, for the "missing out on career" random (and consequently almost guaranteed to run into grief) potshot : it so happens, like many other things do happen, that mp was in charge of a town at a point in its history when an amphetamine epidemic hit the (very, VERY competent, poorly equipped, badly overworked) medical staff. there was a lot of "x ?! x is beyond brilliance, there isn'
t a y surgeon like him mentioned in history
shinohai: Certainly wasn'
t encouraging reading material.
shinohai: I've heard of it, but wasn'
t interested because closed source.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed? << BingoBoingo sent a tarball of fiat side paperwork, datacenter and BingoBoingo's South America allowance paid through march. Emotional back and forth on BingoBoingo's part of the sort where "Uruguayos can all fuck themselves" to "This place isn'
t so bad, but all the Uruguayos can go fuck themselves".
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> last call on this matter : are the surprises done or is there more exoticism waiting to be sprung on innocents ? << The only agreement not stated in the charter was indeed, stated in here, that alf doesn'
t want to be involved with mircea_popescu as backseat driver.
mircea_popescu: sounds like plenty and i know from experience it won'
t be nearly enough. but ty.
mod6: I don'
t think 'sheild/ralying' flag. More of "is this thing useful". Much to your question that I tackled you about a few weeks back.
mircea_popescu: but they're questions, and no more, barren and not pregnant. "and where did you put the salt" is not "you stole the salt, didn'
t you".
ben_vulpes: well, i don'
t quite know what you mean by "stretch capital". republic gotta have an ISP; and it should be able to turn a profit and pay the foundation back. if it fails to do that, it'll be disappointing and i'll probably resign for mismanagement. initially mod6 and i were considering taking the entire venture on through the foundation when asciilifeform offered to match.
hanbot: mircea_popescu basically they made a constitution (
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true / just moved to
http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 ) yesterday, there's no releasing of whatever private discussions prior. they're going to do some power testing on customer boxes as a courtesy. ben_vulpes is going to take a few boxes there maybe next month. BingoBoingo "unsnarled" an mp-wp of unknown provenance, sadly he can'
t use the genesis item yet. some
mircea_popescu: ie, there is an unbroken tree of outright causes all the way to the prime mover, we don'
t say "this is a scam" because emotionally.
mircea_popescu: alternatively i might've not sold, and pursue him. this is the sort of option capital offers one -- you can always take your pick of two options in this vein. and if you can'
t, you've been swindled, not doing business.
mircea_popescu: but no, it wasn'
t a personal loan to bb, it was a loan to bb's corp which bb guaranteed ; but which guarantee i let lapse when i sold (ie, didn'
t transfer to you, ie, yo ucan'
t now ask him for 2 btc * 8k usd or w/e the exact numbers were)
mircea_popescu: nobody teaches these (basic, really, should be highschool) notions, and so people don'
t understand how humanity is, and was built. but bonds are a very sensitive actuarial tool, they react amplifiedly to death danger. whereas equity is a very sensitive to gains. and more generally, finance is worth studying altogether, it makes one smarter.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; there's a lot of business experience in disparate fields that has to be handled, and often the handling drives unexpected results and so on. part and parcel of the problem is that bitcoin ain'
t consumer finance and few people have any notion of anything else in that whole wide field.
mod6: I'm assuming the cost for these won'
t sink us right
mod6: If I don'
t know the answer straight off, will ask ben_vulpes or whomever needs to be asked.
mircea_popescu: so nsa doesn'
t in this sense have the same sort of problem. it's a crisis of faith not of management.
BingoBoingo: temperment problem in asciilifeform resisting direction or a middle manager's eyes glossing over and slacking the discipline after glimpses of tech that isn'
t shit.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 14:06 mircea_popescu: the slowest release schedule in the world and all the rest of the stuff people don'
t say because they're affraid i might crack them one if they did say it certainly aren'
t driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in there in the inside of the top of the box!
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i think it's sufficiently self-obvious that nobody wants more crappy items. we've enough of those around to last a century. but i also won'
t sit still while being railroaded into a false choice between crappy items and never items ; if for no other reason then because too many people depend on me being at least slightly smarter than that.
mircea_popescu: so no, how about we don'
t discuss the random nonsense some 9yo captive inside stan would in his panicked despair have us rather occupy ourselves with. instead, exactly in trinque's practical terms : what the fuck am i going to do with a s.nsa resting on the clavicle of a grown man with 9yo shoulders!
mircea_popescu: the slowest release schedule in the world and all the rest of the stuff people don'
t say because they're affraid i might crack them one if they did say it certainly aren'
t driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in there in the inside of the top of the box!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don'
t, for the record, think there's anything even vaguely like malice involved. i think it's simply ambered childishness, which he has managed to preserve unexamined so long into his adult life because he's never before found himself among people intelligent enough to force him to examine it. the signs of this are ubiquitous and i won'
t belabour,
mircea_popescu: the other issue is that the exacting standards part of the binome aren'
t exacting to a ~rational~ standard, they're exacting to a psychogenic standard. he's perfectly willing to take steps to alienproof his sub because he's seen alien pirates board a sub in a B movie once, that's the standard, what he can ~imagine~ occuring, not so much what he has good reason to believe may occur.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784630 << i think this isn'
t a satisfactory description of the issue for two reasons. one is that the man doesn'
t have merely very exacting standards, but a binome of which half is exacting standards and the other half is looser than a crack whore's butthole.
☝︎ mod6: However, each man gets to decide if he wants to partake in the Republic. Mr. Popescu always said he would eventually leave. And I respect that. Just wish it wasn'
t in anger.
hanbot: trinque true. i suppose some things can'
t be learned without an actual beating, delivered by an actual expert whisk. i don'
t really know to jam it into the sick skull, i guess. and no harm done, i've always appreciated your directness.
mod6: hanbot: I can'
t speak for asciilifeform and make him state things. But, perhaps if we kept a public calendar of what is happening when, might give the public some comfort that tasks are getting completed on time.
mod6: hanbot: i don'
t expect anyones "blind spots" or "deficiantcies" to go away over night. we'll work with him to make sure things happen they way they need to do so, when they need to do so.
mod6: After the first "Hey, we're getting FGs for xmas!" And then it didn'
t come, for like 2 more xmas's... i could have simply negrated him.
mod6: I have too, and I recently read the entire thread on diana_coman's blog too. The whole thing. I know shortcomings have impacted lots of things. He's not the only one guitly of that. And even though I don'
t excuse anyones failures, I'm going to forgive. We've gained more than we've lost. In my estimation.
hanbot: mod6 indeed. but frankly, i haven'
t seen him say he would meet deadlines.
mod6: I don'
t think so at all. His role is outlined in the drafted document we posted above.
mod6: There isn'
t anything to hide. We've been forthcoming about the entire venture.
mod6: Quite frankly, and I hope BB doesn'
t mind me saying so, we kinda needed to even talk him into it. I think he was in quite a state of dismay at the whole thing. And I find it appropriate that we did that.
hanbot: trinque i'm not asking to be told anything. i'm asking why there were "discussions" over the course of several days that haven'
t been made public. this isn'
t to gripe at anyone, this is an attempt to preserve what's possibly the most useful tool of the republic, i.e. logging.
trinque: earlier diana_coman's bitching they didn'
t define the day-old business venture. now you're bitching they didn'
t tell you why they chose that definition, a few hours later.
trinque: this thing doesn'
t need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it.
☟︎ mod6: <+trinque> I don'
t think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more. << Ok, well let me know if you want to. I'm ready to step down and take my leave of all of this.
trinque: I don'
t think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more.
mod6: diana_coman: I don'
t see how a new venture is better off saddled with debt to it's former master. It was to be successful, it needs a fresh start.
lobbes: asciilifeform: did he ask, though? Your work doesn'
t need to -end- just because delorded, or excluded from specific flight etc
mod6: diana_coman: All of this is in the logs, and on trilema "Don'
t have time to be a mommy", et. al.
trinque: don'
t speak in generalities, address people
mod6: We don'
t have all of the details sorted out as of yet -- and keep in mind it has been TWO DAYS, since we even contemplated this. TWO DAYS.
trinque: doubtful that also, or wouldn'
t be asked of so much.
trinque: I don'
t know, don'
t like to speak for people either.
trinque: don'
t want to repeat past mistakes
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren'
t going to go on tilt?
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784373 >> part and parcel of the problem of people on tilt is that they are quite convinced they're not. asciilifeform : you are digging yourself ever-deeper into a hole for the sake of your having missed your own deadline. you're of course welcome to ignore me and everyone else --trying to help you out-- (esp. trinque's imo excellent "assessment" this morning), thereby joining the ranks of those who wouldn'
t li
☝︎ trinque: men gotta be compelled by the truth, and men holding same are wasting their life if they don'
t use truth to compel
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren'
t going to go on tilt?
☟︎ lobbes: Normally I wouldn'
t say anything (not really my bznz) but I have a vested interest in asciilifeform existing (I learn a lot from the guy and he has done important work, what)
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can'
t block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ trinque doesn'
t recall that anybody but danielpbarron used his standard musl gentoo.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes setting a standard doesn'
t mean anyone's ~forced~ to follow it.
ben_vulpes: if i say "all boxes getting racked will have 32 cores" that's a huge minimum buy that i don'
t know that l2 can really eat many of.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn'
t trust asciilifeform to write it now, in any case.
mircea_popescu: we still don'
t have a proper item on which to base hardware strategy.
mircea_popescu: that doesn'
t say much. what exactly has been arranged, where ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but if you don'
t sort them by time-productivity you'll end up in the soup.
mod6: only problem is: results aren'
t apples to apples.
mod6: i have this mule box that i strap workloads to (core2duo box) -- should be fine as long as CPU isn'
t saturated, and during this test, the lappy was only like at .7 load or w/e
shinohai: Also was a strong voice behind "Hey you Bitcoiners are gonna miss out if you don'
t integrate segwit" shit.
shinohai: Nah, I haven'
t graduated to musltronics yet unfortunately :/
jurov: Perhaps i can send to BB's address directly? I don'
t like mixing up foundations funds with my own deedbot wallet anyway.
mod6: Whoops, sorry. Don'
t know who's is who's.
lobbes: So I guess only "breakage" here would be in log only, which wouldn'
t be a breakage at all to those paying attention
TomServo: That would be my preference, but if you're telling me there is no benefit in it, I wouldn'
t bother.
TomServo: Wouldn'
t a FG powered kochrsa be preferred over no FG?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:49 mircea_popescu: yet i can'
t tell him from adam.
mircea_popescu: if you're a smart guy, you just use this to prop castle ben_vulpes into existence. you two need a place to confer, and it doesn'
t properly belong here unless there's some kind of larger problem, so for day to day ops... you gotr a fodder.
BingoBoingo: Ironically when I tried to force bitcoind onto one ip through an iptables rule that did make it hang. Since I stopped trying that it hasn'
t hung.
BingoBoingo: It turns out trb doesn'
t bind to a port. Thusly if you change the myip parameter other boxes will talk to it on the old ip out of habit in addition to the new.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:18 mircea_popescu: that aside, i don'
t necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine.