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asciilifeform: according to legend, inscription originates with vietnam, where malingerers would eat small bits
asciilifeform: american original has much funnier text, http://i.imgur.com/Occdk.jpg
mircea_popescu: is that the fertile soil of afghanistan, from back in the day a different empire was going there to die ?
BHopkins: I can confirm 100% chance of newb to PGP
asciilifeform: it's even happened that folx mis-point 'this end toward enemy', lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think so ; tho it has happened before.
BingoBoingo smells 30% chance of newcomer private key paste in the wind
mircea_popescu: that's the whole point, by proving you can decrypt something encrypted to your key you prove you are you.
mircea_popescu: BHopkins you have to decrypt it.
BHopkins: !!v QIMA74TC/9ZkuPbAQ//dXLWRcdua3d38yoq2bMrc85MfX6m1b2GsyLG7zi82yJw a2JML9jdmUs9XFJwc9JMdY5bqWNLSJDIN9EWErKP5NtjpQv2f4thKANgoE0h4xBD 8AswzFMyL2o1yMhc9Wqs6ErsK9doPyw2HQToBGe/xiq9Up9s0AkYwci4Qe/8cTlE yYe8UIlXMcOfGdeNjUKb5GEBEFaIAa6SrxiHZ7Tly1o1wHzIMqIg7mhm/2iaE7yP TR5ZmhAZNXgflaVTE0L49iftxW53uDNFf+PMt9359kjV1bMWQ8VTyCv2/gdD+jS4 R2H9gKkbYB0oqf5Jyjonp82dkd5AQS3AMG/0JouIkzMhkMDRl2sDqQ2dn6JcVS+l 4+5FyG9azu8QNA6T0UbnhqdwMo9p1VzhNyhsCy2U7XFr
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Could be they decide Baden Powel was racis and colonialist, and Charlottesville his statues
asciilifeform: loox like usa simply aligning with classic su ( and german ) tradition, where there's 1 org
BingoBoingo: shinohai: You don't understand. Two completely seperate organizations. The girl scouts are already threatening lawyers!
shinohai: Well see BingoBoingo, I figure its only a matter of time before they DO allow cookie sales and boys to wear brownie uniforms if they wish.
BingoBoingo: In other, lesser struggles in the republic: I now have to decide if I care enough to contest speeding ticket in Appelate court
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess it was decided that they have arses like anybody, ergo compatible
shinohai: inb4 traps start selling me cookies
BingoBoingo: In other news of the day, In USia girls can now be boyscouts
BHopkins: It just says "Get your OTP" and then gives me a key. What do I do with that key?
BingoBoingo: It's ok, as long as you stay more responsive than Serbia
mircea_popescu: BHopkins say /query deedbot then say !!up to it and decrypt its challenge.
mircea_popescu: mmm. it's not a matter of sharing expertise as such. it's a matter of breaking the fake media, let's say.
BHopkins: If not cleaning up the SERPs, was the idea to just share your expertise?
BHopkins: Ok great, we briefly talked about marketing and interviews. Did you want to do a series of interviews?
mircea_popescu: that's about it. what is this dark web ?
BHopkins: I draw the line at the dark web. bitcoin, PGP, what's next? :)
mircea_popescu: i'll rate you, which means you'll be able to self-voice so i don't have to keep patching it half hour at a time.
shinohai: Ah Yahoo .... I was able to upload a BEeF hook inside an ad there once, no one batted an eye.
mircea_popescu: BHopkins well, so get one. no way to do private communications without pgp. also no good way to have an identity online.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're mostly all based on user idiocy, clicks links ends up windows'd.
BHopkins: Vaguely, but not enough to have used it.
asciilifeform: ( somehow, not hosting arbitrary js/flasholade isn't an option for these, go figure )
asciilifeform: shinohai: ~same thing sank yahoo's ad service few yrs back
BHopkins: Don't be too judgmental of journalist "interns". I create some of those for our marketing purposes :)
mircea_popescu: you mean other than a bevy of the younger "journalist" interns realising they're wasting their time in office clothes in new york and joining me naked in costa rica ?
BHopkins: If not cleaning up the negative aspects of the search results, what would be your end goal?
mircea_popescu: given the situation in the field, interviews are probably the only workable approach.
mircea_popescu: no, traditionally the job is to either get interviews placed if the client is smarter than the press, or else to get reviews/testimonials/etc placed if the press is smarter than the client.
mircea_popescu: BHopkins nah. i personally couldn't care less about "bad" things. for one thing, i've yet to meet the entity intelligent to say something meaningfully bad about me.
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's important to develop correct conveniences.
BHopkins: MP from what I understand, you're looking to clean up your search results?
mircea_popescu: convenience beats correctness every time.
asciilifeform: could achieve this without hotwallet, by signing proclamations. but yes this is convenient.
mircea_popescu: it gives human flesh to the bitcoin steel skeleton.
mircea_popescu: also allows to record something not before recorded : intention-to-pay.
asciilifeform still not sure how (other than ceremonial aspect) this mechanism beats sending coins the old-fashioned way, from own actual node -- but it's still neat that trinque built a thing sturdy enough to run with coin
BHopkins: I almost feel a little dirty not playing by the conventional rules of money :)
mircea_popescu: BHopkins will be processed later today ; at which point -- congrats, your first bitcoin!
BHopkins: That's what CoinBase is telling me...I clicked the "Receive" in the BTC Wallet section
shinohai: I could payroll South American camhoes for a year on that lol
BHopkins: I think I did it right: 12taDFRdimNTHx1xoUkUZWj3nrE4js6LM6 ☟︎☟︎
BHopkins: I had to look up the current price, and the answer is yes :) ☟︎
BHopkins: Nope, no bitcoin yet for me. But I've worked with a few other companies in this industry over the years.
BHopkins: As for my recommendation, we're not trying to educate the general public through the search results. What we want to do is ensure they only find positive information when the search for a keyword.
asciilifeform: i thought that described ~whole of www
BHopkins: @asciilifeform stock trading has sites like tradingschools.org that are essentially one mans negative opinions on everything except what he's selling.
mircea_popescu: (bill lawsky was this sort of mini-preet bharara, however briefly, meanwhile... retired.)
BHopkins: I've worked in this vertical a few different times, along with other verticals that have similar issues.
shinohai munches on tea and biscuits, likes where this thread is going ......
mircea_popescu: this is a ridiculous state of affairs, and it will have to be returned to normalcy.
mircea_popescu: here's the gist of the problem : when rando, such as for instance bill lawsky, stands up and says "we made these rules" bla bla, nobody in those verticals springs up the obvious "what proof do you have". if i say "i destroyed ETH/BCH/whatever, and here's the proof" the same nobodies come up with contorted nonsense like "ok but what proof do you have your proof is proofing?!?!?"
BHopkins: End of the day, the results are what we're looking for
BHopkins: Much better...In a nutshell, we do what gets results and what works. Sometimes that is high quality content, but other times, it's lower quality link building.
mircea_popescu: let us rephrase then. "whereas the perception in silicon valley spam farms, like facebook, huffpo, reddit, wikipedia etc".
mircea_popescu: that something you might want to work on ?
mircea_popescu: aha. so : there's a bit of mismatch here, whereby the republic is powerful and rich, whereas the perception in usg owned peon farms is disjunct.
BHopkins: Exactly! We suppress negative listings and replace them with positive and controllable assets.
mircea_popescu: so this orm thing... is it what they call old style media agencies ? a sort of ogilvy&mather for the internet age ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same here lmao. girl's been raising hell over there apparently.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 16:58 mircea_popescu: of relevance to republican interests -- https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-trade-volume.978942/
asciilifeform: i was about to say 'i've never heard of a zinx' but it was in linked item earlier
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2017/10/11/euse-enable-doc/ << trinque - euse --enable doc
asciilifeform: ( 'but what about the even # of subunits in fg itself? ' -- that's what the red lamp, and much of the internal logic, is about )
asciilifeform: ( tangentially, asciilifeform disrecommends the use of even numbers of XORed rngs in any system. incl. FGs. if enemy can somehow contrieve to tie the wires together, you will end up with 0,0,0.... )
asciilifeform: if the number of generators is odd, the xor cannot make you worse off than before even if somehow they all became identical. however if even 1 of them is genuinely independent, you get the strength of that one. is what the 'ratchet' aspect of the xor is about.
mircea_popescu: not assume independence, not merely outsource the burden of proof to government, etc.
mircea_popescu: yes. to uise it, must first prove independence.
asciilifeform: the 1 thing we have from von neumann's proof, however, other than otp per se, is the xor primitive, which provably composes N ~independent~ items of variant hardnesses, into the hardness of hardest input.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but have to keep astrology classes separate. then within any class, yes value function=1 for all items.
asciilifeform: afaik yer either in 'it's astrology, so hire cheapest' mode or yer not - tertium non datur
a111: Logged on 2017-09-29 00:14 mircea_popescu: whereas in the correct, crypto-relevant understanding of "hash is hard", what is said is "B can make grounded promise that his effort will require at least X work"
mircea_popescu: and also worth nothingt that known-weak items usually are known in the hard crypto sense, of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-29#1718087 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 16:41 asciilifeform: i dun buy the 'no one has proven rsa to be hard so it dun matter how to implement it, let's use wet noodles and dried shit' argument.
mircea_popescu: for completeness, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1723997 : the reason this is an entirely spurious objection is that we're not discussing known-weak vs unknown-how-hard items but straight up unknown-hardness vs unknown-hardness. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 03:49 asciilifeform: i just counted gpg 1.4.10 : 156,436 loc -- and that ain't counting the autoconf liquishit, or the libs it pulls in
asciilifeform: in very other lulz, at most recent count 'p' stands at 3.2kloc, of which 2k is ffa ( this is inclusive of comments, tests, and commented alt-incarnations of certain routines, as discussed in l0gz )
asciilifeform: not in compliance and require that the company pay a penalty for each, which can total to €500,000 or more'
asciilifeform: various lulz from same, e.g. https://archive.is/D1gJA >> ' McHardy first approaches a company to tell it that its product is not in compliance; he makes a modest demand (say €6,000-7,000) for his engineering time. He also asks the company to acknowledge and sign his cease-and-desist order; under German law that turns it into a contract. Once that has been done, sometime later McHardy will come back with other products that are also
mircea_popescu: "LibrePlanet was held March 25-26 in Cambridge, Massachusetts at the Stata Center on the campus of MIT." << whole story.
asciilifeform: ( same derps as hosted the koch talk linked earlier, loox like )
mircea_popescu: incidentally, by now the tmsr schadenfreunde is probably peaking. all sorts of wanna-be groups that "have been doing it for longer" and bla bla.
asciilifeform: in other 'we'll steal from tmsr, why not, and WEDIDITFIRST' lulzies, https://archive.is/kvyXQ
BingoBoingo: That happens at later screening. The igarment.net people seem too impressively targeted to be Telestra so far.
mircea_popescu: so you'd think. but then how many esl azns do you bed, cuz nobody speaks the truth outside the bedroom.
BingoBoingo: Just WTF was with wix.com Thailand
BingoBoingo: Eh, there's still some pretty legit spelling azns working on making numbers
mircea_popescu: meanwhile teh jewsuitis run all the things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically, the difference between orcs and niggers is that the niggers know they're niggers, the orcs still have delusions.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This one was Pacnet, suggesting at least Pacific regional thing. Yet "Channel Director, East Region" of Telestra answered inquiry with "40 Wall Street, Floor 44, New York, NY 10005" in his signature
mircea_popescu: in the sense the 1985 market was similar to that from 1975, except all the "make your own computer" boxes were now made by ibm