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mod6: anyway, re your ddt comment, seems to be an analog for "a hole where the night creeps in"
mod6: asciilifeform: not talking about now anyhow.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> now i could be wrong, perhaps it ~won't~ become a magnet for the vermin that were previously shot on sight << already is!
mod6: asciilifeform: thx for the link swabby
mod6: <+mike_c> Time for bed. I'll be around again now. << cool, man. talk to you tomorrow
mod6: you're all screwed now.
mod6: i got my red-dragon compiler book!
mod6: well, i guess i can appreciate that. i was simply going to write a V in Ada as a way to learn Ada.
mod6: gpg libs give me ulcers
mod6: boy oh boy. looks like all you can hope for with Ada and issuing system commands is to redirect the output to a file, and the read the file.
mod6: thanks for the link alf
mod6: i'll have to keep picking away at it.
mod6: works, seems will take some getting used to though.
mod6: right, they said something about C/C++/et.al that have a loop construct such as 'do/while' 'for' 'foreach' etc, as a defect in the lang. lol
mod6: is tail recursion always defined such that there are O(n) steps in O(1) space?
mod6: Ada 95 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard << this one
mod6: yeah, flipping through the book -- it's pretty dense.
mod6: oh i got that one ref manual from 95
mod6: eh, im sure if i get the hang of its conventions, etc., i'll get somehow masochistically into it.
mod6: i've bee working my way though all the examples in sicp
mod6: well, we'll see when i start getting into it. ive liked playing with scheme.
mod6: yeah, i'd seen the name before, but never heard anything about it until you were talkin about it. now it interests me because bitcoin needs to work better than a goddamn 777
mod6: there have been, three people iirc that have pasted their passwords in here
mod6: sounds like the right idea
mod6: kill or maim, Ada is the correct choice.
mod6: hout error, where a software accident could
mod6: If the software must absolutely work wit
mod6: oh yeah, this first link is a trove of examples. nice.
mod6: thanks for the pointer asciilifeform
mod6: trinque: yeah for sure.
mod6: then maybe will be able to pitch in for adacoin
mod6: i dunno, maybe. need something useful to fuck around with to learn that stuff.
mod6: but I think I might take a stab at writting it in ada so I can learn that with a proper example instead.
mod6: speaking of which... if we were still going to use scheme, long-term, i'd probably re-write my vtron in scheme -- if for no other reason, to learn it.
mod6: let's rewrite everything in asm and scheme
mod6: where does the love come in?
mod6: haha, what you hear the bell and you mentally think 'food' and you see food dish and think 'bell' ?
mod6: 'keyring' is alf's pavlovian trigger
mod6: but since you're writing one... you could wrap that in there perhaps?
mod6: asciilifeform: if the various bits for hands/eyes/heart/brain are not to be in anyway invovled with a signature, any thoughts on how we pass these around with the signature?
mod6: I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet.
☟︎ mod6: this is all implementation and theory.
mod6: phf: well, other than saying "interesting" and "cool", i couldn't figure out how to do that either. unless we create a vtron signature style in 'g' or is it 'p'? i cant recall.. cause how will someones vtron be able to pull the bit string out to know how to categorize someones seal?
mod6: goddamnit. we need some sane hardware and quality random numbers.
mod6: you've been over this a hundred times im sure.
mod6: asciilifeform: do any worthwhile FPGAs' with open docs exist at any price?
mod6: -connect is great for getting blocks from a trusted node, but you're only connected to just that node. so if there is some sort of blocking issue... you might get starved.
mod6: once fully sync'd pete_dushenski, make a back up your your block chain, and then use -addnode
mod6: is it crazy to think that said chip you're talking about be re-constructed on a fpga, perhaps many of them on one fpga?
mod6: so i/o drivers need to be written by hand alf?
mod6: pete_dushenski: i didn't see anything crazy in there. runnign with -connect or -addnode?
mod6: i should look at some 80's hardware and see if I can spin up a rig.
mod6: ah,. yeah vax. i was kidding anyway.
mod6: i think i need to start doing all of my computing with paper and pencil, in a room with no doors, no windows or lights.
mod6: i want like some 1971 vac shit.
mod6: ya. this hardware scares the bahjeesus out of me.
mod6: we've got a lot of stuff to fabricate and create.
mod6: asciilifeform: hm. im misremembering something. eitherway, outside of well, anywhere really, i can't think of a single place in the known universe where the nsa can't diddle your shit.
mod6: now i gotta dig something up on trilema. thought there was an article?
mod6: ook anyway, one time pad - i can create with dice no?
mod6: other than some otp
mod6: But my good man, a serious cornerstone / building block to sanity and in the direction of "workable" computer will come when your work is complete and I can get quality random numbers.
mod6: anyway, that looks like an interesting novel.
mod6: who's to say anyone is anyone when P & Q are fingerfucked by the NSA or other spooks.
mod6: without quality random numbers, we can't have certifiable cryptographic identities.
mod6: Welcome nihlistic Monday
mod6: who's to say what is anything
mod6: I think if people can make punishment first, they will. cause no == yes && yes == anal.
mod6: <+asciilifeform>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437337 << the way i see it, the 'punishment' aspect of vtronics is secondary. the main thing is that ACTUAL PEOPLE, i.e. folks willing to ~take responsibility for their actions~, could find and recognize each other. << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
☝︎ mod6: and you sign your vtron keys with your one regular key? i dunno.
mod6: maybe having different keys (key certifing "i read this" [eyes] / "I wrote this" [hands] / ... etc.) is an analog for the polyphase system that replaced it.
mod6: its like a house in malibu, built on stilts, on the side of a hill that mud slides after .25" of rain.
mod6: anyway, sorry for the rant. but it is not lost on me how hosed up "computer land" is these days.