tmsr - Log 2016-03-24

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: 2016?!

pete_dushenski: gavin-moore's law of infinitely straight lines said so!

pete_dushenski: though i admit it's a bit strange that we're not on 19ghz boxes in the back seats of our autonomous cars...

pete_dushenski to his non-autonomous car to take a cruise this fine spring evening

ben_vulpes: stand by

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kakobrekla: you forgot the !v

kakobrekla: spam again

kakobrekla: ben_vulpes ?

ben_vulpes: hahaha.

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ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.pete_dushenski.1:32d4e07d5e4f0c2c482c2232734c5fefb5d97343fb690b93c90e378d62869594 ☟︎

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ben_vulpes: sorry kakobrekla, was that me?!

kakobrekla: no it was me

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439691 << haha! how pretentious. its almost as entertaining as the miners konspiraci. anyway, unlike bitbet which was a shared toy between us and was damaged beyond repair by your foolish actions for which you dont care to take responsibility (but will be, on the end, enforecd upon you), let the record state #b-a is solely my creation and you inhabited the chan a week or so later. and yes, ☝︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 23:35:31; mircea_popescu: 2 requires the man who just saw the product of his not-inconsequential efforts die over "not doing what mp says, with money" have to choose whether to do what mp says... but with people, this time. we did in fact start this channel together, just like bitbet, and he did do a lot of infrastructure work here, just as there. so... what do ?

kakobrekla: i made it inhabitable for some interesting folks with (the lack of) various rules and various perks.

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439692 < and i actually suspect, given your recent reckless behaviour followed by destructive actions you have been compromised by that very same fiat system and are on a good way of dismantling the republic (simulate a world where mp admits a mistake and eats his own cooking and see how it compares to this) ☝︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 23:35:36; mircea_popescu: i dunno, but the fact remains this nonsense can't continue, if for no reason then because i won't be any part of the most recent attempt of fiat world to reclaim the republic. so for the sake of variety, let's go with : kakobrekla, you willing to take nubbins off the l1 ?

kakobrekla: that being said, i believe b-a should be self regulating and not depended on what mp or kako thinks, the solution, already in effect, is: the condition to self-voice is no longer L1>0 || L2>0 but instead L1 + L2 > 0, which also goes along the notion that lordship no longer exists. the power is your hands now, people. ☟︎

mod6: i got my red-dragon compiler book!

mod6: you're all screwed now.

shinohai: !unrate Zuardi

assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/f9095e9a9e182559

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asciilifeform: 'Hard is it on earth, / with mighty whoredom; Axe-time, sword-time, / shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, / ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men / each other spare.' (the poetic edda, vol1)

mircea_popescu: i'm about as interested in participating in democracy of any kind or description as you can imagine. #b-a existed to any degree and in any sense for as long as it wasn't that. it can go back to being #okcupid or whatever the fuck else the "power of the people" warrants.

kakobrekla: not really a democracy but there is no more immutability for l1

mircea_popescu: i guess might as well try this.

asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, john h conway's book on quaternions and octonions is mega-spiffy.

asciilifeform: brain-pouring-from-nose spiffy.

asciilifeform: (yeah the 'game of life' conway)

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i don't rightly understand what this midway solution actually is. so if l1 is empty, then how is l2 defined. and if l1 isn't empty then... what ?

kakobrekla: l1 is unchanged but for one to be in l2 one must be rated by l1

asciilifeform: isn't this how it worked before..?

kakobrekla: yes, however i repeat: the condition to self-voice is no longer L1>0 || L2>0 but instead L1 + L2 > 0

mircea_popescu: not a cure but a stitch. i see. well... for now, anyway.

kakobrekla: before you could have l1 = 1, l2 = -9000 and still voice yourself

kakobrekla: now - no longer.

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i guess i misunderstood the new formula, i thought it'd be a 'house of lords' vs 'commons' thing, where l1 could be lowered into pederasty by negs from l1 solely.

kakobrekla: asciilifeform the thing is from assbot pov

asciilifeform: but i have no strong emotion re this. nor 'did anybody ask me' (tm) (r)

kakobrekla: yeah it was decided by a secret court with secret evidence you see

asciilifeform: i dun actually have any problem with folks buildin' toys and playing by the rules they themselves conceive

asciilifeform: and this is not in any sense my toy.

kakobrekla: mhm

asciilifeform: i just got invited to play.

mircea_popescu: for curiosity, i actually checked the old logs. this was reg'd apr 10th 2012 ; at the time i was hanging out in #bitcoin-otc-eu ; he mentioned it there sometime on the 12th that caught my eye and the rest be history.

kakobrekla: (i also created #bitcoin-otc-eu)

mircea_popescu: ah what a time.

asciilifeform: 'Some situations do not have a ruling and are explicitly listed as teyku. Such passages occur 319 times in the Talmud and are listed by Jacobs (1981). The meaning of teyku is not definitively 2 known. Its literal meaning is akin to “it stands,” in other words, the problem is unsolvable. On the other hand, another tradition suggests it is an acronym for a phrase meaning that the Biblical prophet Eliyahu will come and sol

asciilifeform: ve these problems at the time of the coming of the Messiah.' << from pete_dushenski's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439648 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 22:44:19; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol funny you should ask. i just came across a research paper on very much this topic the other day, which i've now uploaded on my site for posterity (and your consideration) : http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Behavioral-Despair-in-the-Talmud.pdf

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla freenode says nanotube for some reason. which is odd, i also recalled you had registered it.

kakobrekla: i possibly just initiated it

mircea_popescu: atlas lol. such logs.

mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/588d3113054f6f2df05a1096a03ddc4a/tumblr_ngd4juzpjZ1r0rz5eo1_1280.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S7EykD )

deedbot-: [Trilema] Do you know who did this ? - http://trilema.com/2016/do-you-know-who-did-this/

asciilifeform: that thing is glorious.

punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439792 doesn't that mean that a lot of people that have never showed up can affect #b-a voice ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 00:32:07; kakobrekla: that being said, i believe b-a should be self regulating and not depended on what mp or kako thinks, the solution, already in effect, is: the condition to self-voice is no longer L1>0 || L2>0 but instead L1 + L2 > 0, which also goes along the notion that lordship no longer exists. the power is your hands now, people.

punkman: 2016, year of the jumped sharks

davout: ohai all

davout: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/23GJRZM.txt

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RACuHx )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27456 @ 0.00044447 = 12.2034 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: davout says change pending approval, you prolly have to do something.

BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> lol more than a few of us probably also thought we'd be riding the btc-waves to being deca+millionaires by 2016. this bitcoin thing is taking far longer than i, at least, had anticipated. << You've gotta have a fief to contribute to these things

davout: mircea_popescu: domain received!

BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.nubbins`.-1:5bcc9d3025009d7e886943a450883f4affda67942c36153ef93d1e0bca224614

assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for nubbins` with note: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426930

shinohai: http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/twitter-boost-for-preet-bharara-after-indictment-announcement-1.11606093 <<< Preeeeet is a flash-in-the pan twitter star!

assbot: Twitter boost for Preet Bharara after indictment announcement | Newsday ... ( http://bit.ly/1UJj3MY )

davout: !gettrust assbot nubbins`

assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 12 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=nubbins%60 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubbins%60/

danielpbarron: oo

danielpbarron: !down nubbins`

danielpbarron: oh right, needs to add up to 0, so one more

nubbins`: lol.

nubbins`: this place really went full-rage overnight.

nubbins`: mp says

nubbins`: "KICK NUBS OUTTA HERE OR ELSE"

nubbins`: kako says no and tells mp he's a baby

nubbins`: just wanted to take this opportunity, while i can still self-voice, to let you all know that most of you are weeaboo basement-dwelling troglodytes and i respect very few of you ☟︎

nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439787 << this and following statements are tubo-lulzy. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 00:30:23; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439691 << haha! how pretentious. its almost as entertaining as the miners konspiraci. anyway, unlike bitbet which was a shared toy between us and was damaged beyond repair by your foolish actions for which you dont care to take responsibility (but will be, on the end, enforecd upon you), let the record state #b-a is solely my creation and you inhabited the

nubbins`: not as lulzy as mp trying -- and failing -- to just ignore me

nubbins`: asciilifeform fwiw you now fall under the "people i no longer respect" category, have fun licking mp's toes

nubbins`: i hear they taste like the toes of a man so lazy and slothful that he thought his indigestion was pancreatic cancer

davout: nubbins`: seriously, is someone supposed to care about who you respect or not? does making a point really justify being obnoxious about it?

nubbins`: nope

nubbins`: i'd be surprised if any rational adult thought what internet-friendz thought of them

nubbins`: *cared what

davout: are you done?

nubbins`: hard to say. probably.

nubbins`: done with this festering shit-hole anyway

nubbins`: reeks like mp and hanbot in here

davout: do you care?

nubbins`: course not

nubbins`: just poking them both w/ stick

nubbins`: it's funny how mp spent the past X years in here being the biggest salty adult-baby he could, but then once someone else tries acting like an asshole towards mp, the entire place falls apart.

nubbins`: says a lot about the glue that held the place together

asciilifeform: nubbins`: fwiw you got my - because you refuse to quit shitting in the kitchen. i waited for weeks, thinking you would tire of it, but no dice. if you want to constructively nemesis mp, start a blog, ffs.

davout: nubbins`: you're not acting like an asshole to mp, you're acting like an asshole to everyone. let me know when you're done if you ever feel like getting !unrate'd

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: which is why my rating was 'tilt'

davout: !v assbot:davout.rate.nubbins`.-1:973f14720f4b2f4766ec4a84bb8d7261dbc3a8be796e1271b37f782ae2d03efb

assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for nubbins` with note: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439878

davout: !down nubbins`

punkman: heh

davout: blergh

asciilifeform takes off hat.

davout: !gettrust assbot nubbins`

assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -1 via 13 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=nubbins%60 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubbins%60/

davout: !down nubbins` ☟︎

nubbins`: *cough*

nubbins`: asciilifeform this isn't a kitchen, it's an outhouse

nubbins`: it's just smelled like food for a while

davout: kakobrekla: ^ isn't it supposed to werk that way? ☟︎

nubbins`: davout third time's a charm?

nubbins`: probably just a holdover in the code where a self-!upped person can't be !downed by someone else

davout: til a new expression

nubbins`: :D

asciilifeform: nubbins`: your outhouse, my kitchen. which is why this.

nubbins`: asciilifeform your kitchen smells of poo :(

asciilifeform: nubbins`: no shit

nubbins`: actually, yes shit

nubbins`: reek streams in all the way from Bs.As.

nubbins`: note that without mp scamz0ring, i didn't have any other outstanding issues

nubbins`: aside from the general level of brown-nosing and illogic

nubbins`: but i'm more than okay with how this trade has worked out

davout: cool story lord

nubbins`: no lords, didn't ya get the message?

nubbins`: mp decreed

punkman: the lords are shit, the logs are shit, bitcoin is shit, trb is shit

davout: ugh, shit's becoming mainstream apparently

thestringpuller: tis a shit blizzard randy

asciilifeform: nubbins`: somehow you ended up stuck on 1 subj, which is why folks are trying to unplug ya. try starting a blog? i - will read it, fwiw.

nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439790 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 00:31:10; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439692 < and i actually suspect, given your recent reckless behaviour followed by destructive actions you have been compromised by that very same fiat system and are on a good way of dismantling the republic (simulate a world where mp admits a mistake and eats his own cooking and see how it compares to this)

davout: anyway, ttyl all

nubbins`: cheers

nubbins`: asciilifeform ^ that stmt from kako was directed towards.... me?

punkman: asciilifeform: talking about 1 subject, how about the mega-debate about stakes, twice a day

nubbins`: asciilifeform or... mp?

punkman: not that I endorse all of nubbins` trollin'

nubbins`: endorsement not necessary

nubbins`: doing this for me, not you :)

asciilifeform: punkman: which one, the one re whether stake gotta be thick vs thin? we only do that one biweekly!1111

punkman: oh it has been amusing at times nubbins`

nubbins`: thanks, i'd hoped so

nubbins`: god, how humiliating for mp. he explicitly ordered that i be banished and it didn't happen

asciilifeform: i enjoyed nubbins` 's b000kz. and wish he didn't insist on building his outhouse here.

nubbins`: asciilifeform we all gotta shit somewhere buddy

punkman: I guess not very amusing for the folks losing money

nubbins`: punkman well, that's why all the negrates

asciilifeform: ftr i lost 0

nubbins`: i as well

nubbins`: although my eternally-useless s.mg stock warrant will likely remain useless, i don't think my actions had any direct effect on that

punkman: hey s.mg was actually making some moneyz

nubbins`: overall i think i'm up about 20 btc from this place

asciilifeform: nubbins`: you could perhaps sell it?

nubbins`: asciilifeform unfortunately no. warrant sez.

thestringpuller: exercise the warrant and sell the stock?

punkman: you gotta put coin in to get the stock right?

nubbins`: "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant

nubbins`: by or among third parties. The administration of any such contracts

nubbins`: remains the sole responsibility of the respective parties involved."

nubbins`: thestringpuller lol, at a loss?!

thestringpuller: oh it'd be a loss?

nubbins`: punkman it's a warrant to purchase stock at a certain price

punkman: !t m s.mg

assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.0000902 (422055 shares, 37.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.0000902 (422055 shares, 37.98 BTC)

punkman: what's the price you got nubbins`?

thestringpuller: actually there are no bids

nubbins`: http://trilema.com/2013/eulora-october-update/#footnote_3_50077

assbot: Eulora October update on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RB1FJS )

thestringpuller: 906 bids at 9000 satosh then 2000 at 2500 satosh

nubbins`: 1.3x

nubbins`: thestringpuller surprised? :S

nubbins`: current state of eulora will be current state of eulora in 10 years

asciilifeform: i bet there's a chan. somewhere with pankkake, thickasthieves, et al. perhaps nubbins` will get invitation! it is, i suspect, an interesting place.

nubbins`: because mp doesn't want to build things, he wants to glue people to him

nubbins`: hence why he didn't just hire alf at a reasonable wage for a couple years

nubbins`: hence why eulora was a part-time project for 1 developer

nubbins`: etc

nubbins`: y'know, the way "billionaires" build things.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: fella dun believe in wage labour, i actually did not think this was outrageous

nubbins`: glacially slow, entwining otherwise productive people in the process

nubbins`: asciilifeform the rate of progress on all mp projects is what's outrageous

nubbins`: you don't believe in gravity, you're still stuck to the floor, no?

asciilifeform: hey it worked for medieval cathedrals. but this is fair complaint. if you like speed, go to the races, not to me, i am the turtle.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: srsly i recommend, to blog. try it. you certainly have enough material, for once.

danielpbarron: asciilifeform, they have a voice chat thing

danielpbarron: and he has a blog, it just isn't used much

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: waiwut

asciilifeform: who has?

danielpbarron: TaT et al

danielpbarron: "whale club"

asciilifeform: lol,srsly?

danielpbarron: idk if pankakke is there

nubbins`: i don't have a blog

asciilifeform: nubbins`: start?

nubbins`: you may have mistaken madcaptomfoolery as my personal blog, judging by the fact that i noticed it on your "friends" links list the same day it was removed

nubbins`: but it's not

nubbins`: and i have no desire to start writing a blog

nubbins`: asciilifeform you know how much shit you're gonna catch from mp for saying my name this many times?

PeterL: mp only gets mad if asciilifeform says his name, not if he says your name

asciilifeform: nubbins`: l0l i dun know why you think this is about him. it is about how we log in and it is #nubbins

asciilifeform: this is why even the folks who thought nubbins` had a point, are pissed

asciilifeform bbl.

nubbins`: PeterL oh, right

nubbins`: asciilifeform the people who /thought/ i had a point, hey?

nubbins`: i guess they're the sort of people who can disavow logic if the person spelling it out for them is annoying

nubbins` applauds

PeterL: nubbins` would you rather he used the present tense? the people who agree with your position do not like you repeating it over and over

nubbins`: i'd rather people say what they mean, yes

nubbins`: trouble with this place is you need to repeat yourself endlessly to cut through the echoes.

PeterL: everything is in the log, no need to repeat yourself

nubbins`: not everything; i did a great article write-up for qntra a couple weeks ago about how this bbet stuff was gonna cleave the lordship in half etc

nubbins`: bingo didn't publish it, likely to his chagrin

nubbins`: anyway, i sorta knew from the start that most people would just blithely ignore mp's wrongdoings. this is a chan where you can scam as long as you're "in the crew"

nubbins`: see TaT's PMB scam for reference

nubbins`: hell, see mpex's PMB scam for reference.

nubbins`: at the very least, it's heartwarming to see the actual people who actually do stuff (jurov, kako) seeing the light and calling out mp's shenanigans ☟︎

nubbins`: i'll almost miss this place

davout: nubbins`: not like anyone'll insist on throwing you out if you simply cut the haet

davout: well, not necessarily the haet but its constant repetition

nubbins`: duod the next time i de-voice i can't re-voice

nubbins`: this is the finish line

nubbins`: i got negrated by too many fanbois

PeterL: does - in l2 superceed + in l1?

nubbins`: iirc the new rule is L1+L2 > 0

nubbins`: as of yesterday when mp tried to get kako to kick me out and kako said no

PeterL: people can still !up you though

nubbins`: sure, but zzzzz.

nubbins`: why would any self-respecting adult want to deal with that

davout: nubbins`: because people don't negrate because they're fanbois, they negrate because you behave like an obnoxious child

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00044447 = 12.9785 BTC [+]

nubbins`: i have 5 negative ratings: 4 of them are from mp, hanbot, dpb, trinque.

nubbins`: you sure they don't do it because fanboi?

davout: i do not speak for others, mine is not.

davout: anyway, this is a waste of everyone's time, bbl.

PeterL: kakobrekla if nubbins` is still in L1, and rage negrates everybody -10, would that keep a bunch of people from self-voicing? ☟︎

PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439709 << heh, if lordship was seeded now, I might have made the cut? ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 23:43:30; mircea_popescu: and to be perfectly clear - it ~was~ my stupid fucking idea of seeding the lordship off the stats page on roughly the basis of activity that got us in this mess.

nubbins`: PeterL correct

nubbins`: the lordship list was never more than "a list of people mp felt were more-or-less beholden to his awesomeness"

PeterL: hmm, maybe I should not have said that where nubbins` could hear it? oops

nubbins`: lel

nubbins`: besides, i don't think anyone who actually talks in here has so few + ratings that i could negrate them into silence

PeterL: me?

nubbins`: but i like you

PeterL: gee, thanks

nubbins`: fwiw, hey

fluffypony: I think other people would counterbalance the ratings if it came down to that

fluffypony: the WoT is a benevolent god

nubbins`: !gettrust assbot nubbins`

nubbins`: scary!

jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439999 eh, go to tvtropes with these sentiments ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 13:03:58; nubbins`: at the very least, it's heartwarming to see the actual people who actually do stuff (jurov, kako) seeing the light and calling out mp's shenanigans

nubbins`: ;/

nubbins` unsure if he should go to tvtropes, reddit, forum first

thestringpuller: lol ver is bragging his website loads > doherty threshold.

jurov: the last thing i need is to convince myself i see more light than $someone . was bitten too many times by that.

nubbins`: smart man

nubbins`: !up joesmoe

nubbins`: thestringpuller depends on the width of the tube, no?

nubbins`: !up Blazed

thestringpuller: nubbins`: doherty threshold is psychological. you are more likely to get distracted with another task if the computer doesn't respond under 400ms

thestringpuller: so bitcoin.com loading in 3.9 seconds is atrocious

nubbins`: sure.

nubbins`: but to an extend, that depends on my internet connection

nubbins`: *extent

nubbins`: all ver can control is the size of the pipes on HIS end.

nubbins`: brb

thestringpuller: well the size of the load

thestringpuller: front page of qntra < 1MB

nubbins`: how long to load 1MB on, e.g., ISDN?

thestringpuller: 18.19s on 50kbps throttling

thestringpuller: that's the images tho.

thestringpuller: hogan.gif

BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/TUtBMH.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJEFGg )

BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/6PuoA3.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJF1Ni )

mircea_popescu: heh, so in the end kakobrekla fix does not actually work ? word.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not going to read the latest installments in fiatista turdology, much like hte prev ones. nor do i need to, they're perpetually the same crud. in any case : loyalty is not a bad thing. loyalty to bad people is a bad thing, but loyalty in general is the only saving grace of manhood. the one probem socialism generally encounters is loyalty, which is why the whole song and dance. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: people new to the topic of how the democratic cancer spreads may just as well read orlov's last bit linked by alf, or any other of ten billion treatises on the topic.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you didn't miss much

fluffypony: sorry but the rule is you have to read the logs, no exceptions

fluffypony: otherwise you learn nothing and you're forever forced to wallow in your own ignorance

mircea_popescu: word.

mircea_popescu: see asciilifeform tis not "the enemy!" that's having the most lulz. by and large such enemy is either too petrified to laugh for a decade+, or else if too dumb to be so petrified, also too dumb to see the humour. nah, most laughs are had by people doing other things, a la fluffy here. fine position to both appreciate the humour of it and remote enough to not go into seizures over it.

BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/03/microsoft-left-impaired-ai-to-suffer-twitter-humiliation/

assbot: Microsoft Left Impaired AI To Suffer Twitter Humiliation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VJognr )

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439889 < ahh i think i forgot to edit the !down part, did just the !up ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 12:10:37; davout: !down nubbins`

kakobrekla: i mean http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1439893 instaed ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 12:11:43; davout: kakobrekla: ^ isn't it supposed to werk that way?

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1440063 < blind loyalty is a bad thing in any case ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 15:12:01; mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not going to read the latest installments in fiatista turdology, much like hte prev ones. nor do i need to, they're perpetually the same crud. in any case : loyalty is not a bad thing. loyalty to bad people is a bad thing, but loyalty in general is the only saving grace of manhood. the one probem socialism generally encounters is loyalty, which is why the whole song and dance.

mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "seeing" loyalty. loyalty is always blind. when it's not blind it's called seeing your interest.

kakobrekla: being loyal to jumping out of window is stupid

mircea_popescu: being loyal is "stupid" for any fiat definition of stupidity.

mircea_popescu: it fails to maximize your collection of hamburgers.

kakobrekla: the other one can cost you your sanity.

mircea_popescu: quite so.

kakobrekla: that is a bad thing.

mircea_popescu: if it happens, yeah. then again... is it better to have loved and lost sanity than to never have sanitized at all.

kakobrekla: im not too fond of Egyptian style of burial where a bunch of live folk gets sealed in the tomb together with the mummy

kakobrekla: serves very little purpose

mircea_popescu: for whom ?

kakobrekla: anyone

mircea_popescu: romania's all time best ballerina killed herself when her husband died. a lot more common than readily admitted, this.

mircea_popescu: people's purposes are theirs to weigh.

asciilifeform: suti!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy wrote the silver toothed boar thing, and others.

mircea_popescu: very talented poet guy.

asciilifeform: i'm fond of the japanese admirals, myself

asciilifeform: incidentally 'my commander is dead'-seppuku was sop for a while.

asciilifeform: but, i will point out, they also had 'my commander is an arse'-seppuku.

kakobrekla: hehe

mircea_popescu: we're opening way too many historical casks with this thing huh

mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-amontillado

asciilifeform: comes with the territory!11

asciilifeform: 'for ze luvvv of gawwwd, monTrezor!!11'

shinohai: Preet is going to save us from Iranian hackers too apparently: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-24/u-s-charges-iranian-hackers-in-wall-street-cyberattacks-im6b43tt

assbot: Iranians Hacked From Wall Street to New York Dam, U.S. Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1SjvAmV )

mircea_popescu: is this a redo of the "chinese hackers" fail from a coupla years back, just tried with a smaller power that's not as likely to make them eat their hands ?

mircea_popescu: i suppose they found the proof in saddam's biochem weapons cache or somesuch.

BingoBoingo: Already Qntra'd http://qntra.net/2016/03/us-may-accuse-iran-of-office-computer-infection/

assbot: US May Accuse Iran Of Office Computer Infection | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1SjvThr )

shinohai: ^ ah ha!

mircea_popescu: kik \

danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2016#1440018 << no. the way ratings work, since assbot gave everyone only +1, that is the most that can be passed along into its L2. The most a lord can do to another lord is take them down 2 points (if they already had giving them a postive rating and switched it to negative) ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 24-03-2016 13:37:36; PeterL: kakobrekla if nubbins` is still in L1, and rage negrates everybody -10, would that keep a bunch of people from self-voicing?

BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 416.9, vol: 3596.31424340 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 415.499, vol: 4204.68191 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 416.7, vol: 9303.992626609999 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 0.36 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.49933, vol: 26006.15910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 416.388, vol: 1470.69507641 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 420.4056, vol: 37.3704864 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

BingoBoingo: ;;more

gribble: 417.644532412

PeterL: http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/24/illinois-isnt-pay-damages-for-car-accide << here is one for BingoBoingo

assbot: Have an Accident With a Car Owned by Illinois? You're Out of Luck - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UdcX7E )

BingoBoingo: PeterL: Not surprising.

shinohai: ;;8ball Will serenity return to tmsr ?

gribble: It is so.

PeterL: No, serenity is finished along with the rest of Firefly

asciilifeform: moar lulz: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-23/rockefellers-dump-exxon-holdings-that-made-family-s-fortune

assbot: Rockefellers Dump Exxon Holdings That Made Family's Fortune - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEGVJK )

PeterL: what is bitcoind doing when it flushes wallet.dat?

BingoBoingo: squatting?

mircea_popescu: PeterL bitcoin [still] uses berkleydb which uses a strange sort of self-memory caching, which makes the data saved on disk during functioning insufficient to reconstruct the db situation.

mircea_popescu: when it flushes, it just makes the disk image sufficient.

PeterL: and does it have a reason to flush every 8 minutes (or just a magic number)?

mircea_popescu: this question is extremely hard to answer.

PeterL: does that make it a good question or a bad question?

mircea_popescu: i have nfi

asciilifeform: the answer appears to be block time.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform blocktime+delta neh ?

asciilifeform: aha

mircea_popescu: it's like you know, "what makes the smoke raise up like smoke". turbulence is complicated, son.

mircea_popescu: do not upset ye gods.

asciilifeform: the db is the single most retarded bit.

PeterL: I thought blocks were 10 minutes?

asciilifeform: PeterL: this is 'bang-bang corrected'

mircea_popescu: ^

PeterL: so, the 8 minutes is more like 'about a block time'?

mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat

mircea_popescu: and in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xl0Qry-hA

assbot: Nancy Sinatra Bang Bang - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T7YBUW )

deedbot-: [Qntra] Rockefeller Family Fund Divests From Industry That Made Rockefeller Family Fortune - http://qntra.net/2016/03/rockefeller-family-fund-divests-from-industry-that-made-rockefeller-family-fortune/

ben_vulpes: http://www.boredpanda.com/handmade-adult-porcelain-enchanted-doll-marina-bychkova/

assbot: Creepily Realistic NSFW Porcelain Dolls By Russian Artist | Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1SjLbmi )

mircea_popescu: nice articulation work at any rate.

BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/xioLfYo.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMddZ5 )

ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/ewl8iQF.jpg << the white metallic ink pilot g2's have arrived.

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMdivX )

BingoBoingo: Oh, no dickbutt?

mircea_popescu: in other mews, no panties, either. http://40.media.tumblr.com/029a0c810106f9769acccac9b06453c0/tumblr_ng2zns9dF41tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMdU4I )

ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: pentagrams only.

ben_vulpes: when i get my sigil of lilith down i'll do those too

BingoBoingo: What about a cunch of pentagrams arranged into a dickbutt?

ben_vulpes: talk to trinque about that

ben_vulpes: > cunch

assbot: sigil tattoo - Google Search | tattoo | Pinterest | Occult, Symbols and Tattoos and body art ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMfvaG )

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You know, a cunch. Like a bunch but more pelvic.

punkman: https://github.com/mimoo/Diffie-Hellman_Backdoor

assbot: GitHub - mimoo/Diffie-Hellman_Backdoor: How to backdoor Diffie-Hellman ... ( http://bit.ly/21JuGm0 )

asciilifeform: 'The person who pushed the commit is Gerhard Rieger who is the same person who fixed it a year later. In the comment he refers to an Oracle employee at the time who has yet to comment on his mistake. It also seems like his github account and his personnal websites were deleted the day this security advisory was published.

asciilifeform: '

asciilifeform: l0l!!

BingoBoingo: Aha follow up to:

BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net socat

gribble: Oracle Employee Wrecked Socat Security | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2016/02/oracle-employee-wrecked-socat-security/>; Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics: <http://qntra.net/?action=products&cat_id=2>; Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Crosses 144 Billion With 20.06% Rise | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-crosses-144-million- (1 more message)

asciilifeform: i recall this

asciilifeform: but not the github detail

BingoBoingo: Yeah, this github is lulzy, but not sure if news