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Hasimir:
I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy
☟︎ jurov: Hasimir, so
I take some key, mangle "data indicating cipher prefs" and whatnot, and viola, valid signature without original key's owner knowledge?
Hasimir: such as in the case of the key dignork and
I discussed earlier
trinque:
I'm an idiot and
I understand that much
trinque: the vast majority of responses
I've seen to this are of the "not worth looking into" variety
Hasimir:
I can assure you that post in particular is from someone who just wants to know the answer
Hasimir: oh, did
I forget to mention,
I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia
☟︎☟︎ Hasimir:
I need to script that, clearly
ascii_field: Hasimir: damned if
i know.
i - only see the bullet.
Hasimir: oh,
I see what you mean now ... so how are his keys more interesting than ours?
ascii_field: cosmic rays and memory corruption, apparently, can not only create valid self-sigs, but spare boring folks like you &
i.
ascii_field: 'Incidentally,
I met one of the other guys with a broken subkey at
ascii_field: and aha, they are already starting with 'That reminds if of a private discussion
I had last autumn. Some guy
Hasimir: though
I thought it had my key ... no matter
trinque: Hasimir: register a key and
I'll give you a 1 to self-voice in the future
trinque: ascii_field: incredible,
I'll read it
trinque: sure, and
I hope you charge me a good amount of margin atop cost to own one
trinque: er
I mean, the engineering of it
trinque:
I'm not talking about the hardware
trinque: because considering that
I don't see how we disagree
trinque: not nearly the umpteen trillion
I've heard before
trinque: assbot: near as
I can tell this masamune is going to make gabriel_laddel rich because it "has" value
trinque: gabriel_laddel |
I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me. << this fucking kid
trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for...
I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"!
trinque: jurov:
I am saying that if you think your problem is above economics, you're wrong.
ascii_field: trinque:
i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this-
☟︎ trinque: "
I can get us to Mars! It will only take more than any of us have."
trinque: gabriel_laddel | story time:
I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job.
I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. << don't ever do this; if you can't make money doing it, you're not the guy to do it.
davout: fluffypony:
i'm in ur meetup, stealing mozilla's wifi
chetty: well
I guess one would have to go read the actual court documents to be sure
williamdunne: Sure no
I know about the baby
I just meant their response
chetty: well
I recall the incident about the kid getting hurt a while back, not so sure about the court case
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as far as
i can tell, he's just another larcenous piece of shit << well, he's one of the first crop of derpy bureaucrats who thought they;'re gonna leverage the fiat state into a position of bitcoin power in a hostile manner.
bitstein: asciilifeform: good points.
I posted it mostly as a reaction to the knee-jerk reddit response getting all butthurt that he would do such a thing. Of course, indifference may be the best response.
mircea_popescu: nobody plays a game because "
i hate it but whatever, it works"
mircea_popescu:
i am more familiar with games market 20 years later by a long shot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do
i recall correctly that at some point they squandered a mn or so on some dumbass real estate deal ?
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 09:42:27; gabriel_laddel: Again,
I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 10:04:19; gabriel_laddel: story time:
I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job.
I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent.
I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
gabriel_laddel:
I'm not a socialist in anycase,
I support my own being evicted.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. <<
I think she'd actually evict me, then decry that there were homeless programmers.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. <<
I'm almost insulted.
gabriel_laddel: Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL.
I realize that this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev
gabriel_laddel: e effect of "linux devs are idiots and
I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. <<
I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th
gabriel_laddel: story time:
I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job.
I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent.
I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Though
I'll note the "chasing a better world a dollar at a time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit.
gabriel_laddel:
I'd end up having to type for them, and at that point, wtf
I'll just do it myself
gabriel_laddel: This model is bizzare. So if
I'm a capitalist
I should make money to purchase that which does not exist?
gabriel_laddel: "he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " <<
I don't understand how this follows
gabriel_laddel: Hmm..
I think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist"
gabriel_laddel: My position is simply that
I can be broke and work on what
I want to work on without being terribly inconvenienced
gabriel_laddel: "that didn't. well... suppose it exists and costs what
I have +1"
mircea_popescu: "the world sucks, and id pay any sum for one that didn't. well... suppose it exists and it costs what
i have +1 ... best get to work then"
mircea_popescu:
i think for the record most capitalists work on this concept
mircea_popescu: so imagine it exists and they don't let you work on it oh oh oh
i see.
gabriel_laddel:
I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for a sane computer.
gabriel_laddel: if sane computing existed
I would (update and then) send out my resume
mircea_popescu:
i thought you had bills in arrears. how would you pay a 10k bill ?
gabriel_laddel: Again,
I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: Mathematica makes money, people say the exact same things about their software "
I have lived in a...", but their product is braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: (historically this is the EXACT contribution of the artist to the world, your "
I have lived in a river of shit my entire life" or as jourdain put it, "
i had no idea
i was talking in prose".)
gabriel_laddel:
I plan to write custom (source included) extensions for select parteners
gabriel_laddel:
I took an early demo (long before
I discovered CLIM) to large company X, demonstrated all the information
I could collect, that
I could write lessons integrated into the whole desktop environment. This company has the sneaking suspicion that people sort of dick around during the onboarding process and there is a huge variation in how long people ta
mircea_popescu: well,
i don't code much, so it's unlikely to make much difference to me. but in any case, this is how a good joke goes, or a good book. good books don't make much money.
gabriel_laddel: and you'll say something similar to trinque "
I have lived in a river of shit my entire life"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu:
I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive to just wait until you use it (or even a select codebase like CLIM)
mircea_popescu:
i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best.
gabriel_laddel: romptly forget about it. Actual people don't forget the experience of using something interesting (see your own hypercard post).
I want them to be absolutely fucking incensed when they encounter windows or the like. Also,
I love being able to kill/yank text in the browser + Emacs + CLIM. Also, money.
gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally,
I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p
☟︎ gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 <<
I'm not envisioning a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when they use software, never question foundational abstractions.
I can hack lisp, but cannot hack the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going to be writing code it should be in
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 20:39:18; mircea_popescu: africa is actually, at least from what
i've observed, extremely ordered.
gabriel_laddel:
I didn't know the eurola crafting system was so advanced
gabriel_laddel:
I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into the xxx folder