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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, i wonder why we all only used amds. what suckers we were, and all that.
trinque: I can't say for sure until I instrument the thing with slime and wait for it to happen
asciilifeform: trinque: that's as far as i was able to get when walked through it , aha
trinque: asciilifeform: shape of it as I vaguely recall is that the bot-stuck-away state looks like bot-connected from PoV of bot
asciilifeform: ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )
asciilifeform: ( not a bite at trinque , i suspect it is genuinely stiff problem , fleanode apparently throws ~random garbage )
asciilifeform: trinque said that ben_vulpes is alive , so i expect he'll reboot .
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform is actually sticking to mircea_popescu's admonition to not divert from conveyor contents, so i'ma not do this any time soon
asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )
asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )
diana_coman: hopefully I won't mess it up again the same way at least
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, I'm in ; it was hiccup on my side ; thank you
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.
asciilifeform: in case i gotta help massage later tonight
BingoBoingo: hanbot asciilifeform I can always come back
hanbot: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: well, waiting for trinque --i want to give him an opportunity in case this is interesting.
asciilifeform: spyked: got it. i'ma get it to the post on sat. at the latest.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900597 << trinque: same, "target is busy". if you wanna try and untangle, i'm at your disposal, but otherwise i'ma have it rebooted ☝︎
diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts
asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no i get. i barfed when encountered 'mali' chipset ( srsly?! mali ? )
diana_coman: once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable
diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
diana_coman: once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig
diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this? ☟︎
asciilifeform: (i.e. quite unlike ida, they actually hired 9000 grunts to try & reimplement... )
mircea_popescu: spyked that works. fwiw i'd keep the look of the thing, manpage-like
diana_coman: ftr I have otherwise down even what the symlink was pointed at; it's not that the issue per se
asciilifeform: rright -- i suspect there's an undocumented linuxtardation somewhere at the bottom of this
diana_coman: me neither but it's a ...test machine; so it gets all tested, what can I say
asciilifeform: pretty strange effect, i haven't previously observed anyffin of the kind from removing a symlink
diana_coman: no, it's not the symlink that caused the breakage; it's the botched removal i.e. it did more than remove the symlink
diana_coman: uhm, asciilifeform BingoBoingo I can't speak in pizarro?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )
spyked: asciilifeform, is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893396 still available? I'm looking for a small machine to (ab)use for cuntoo install and IMHO this is a good alternative to scavenging the local junkyards for usable hw. ☝︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 <-- I defo wanna make this, can start working on it after I finish the current scheduled items . I'm missing some deadlines myself (got sidetracked by the more urgent need for mirroring gutenberg) and currently working to get back on track ☝︎☟︎
mod6: Eitherway, I'll read logs and catch up if you proceed without me, of course.
trinque: I'd like to get it done saturday afternoon if that works.
mod6: I'll do what I can this weekend, time-permitting.
trinque: lets all plan on smashing through this path bug in the vpatch this weekend. I'll be available for it.
trinque: in related news, I have trashed my cuntoo build drive with repeated builds!
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 23:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889862 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-08#948046 lulz : the dork i used above for a source for the commie radio pictures (not that he originates them, they actually come from http://www.latrecut.ro/2006/05/ric-stramoshul-ipod-ului/ which is significantlly better contextually, but I was lazy) not only passes himself as a "Ministrul Cyberculturii | Recenzii, cronici, cr
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in even more http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1900068 lulz : turns out, i fucking had it also. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno anything else you could try instead of a reboot anyway.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i haven't, based on noting various unknown webderps reporting it hung/killed their session
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't dig into it, but noticed the little tab looking at them. now that i think about it, i seem to recall this was actually discussed in log.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a bunch here, which have a tab! you switch it to permit writing or not!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900534 << lol, ~read~ only. did find that there's a supposedly-write-once ro bit that one can set ( appears to work, but naturally i've no way to verify that there aint a magick undocumented sequence that resets it somehow ) ☝︎
hanbot: nop. i'm running screen but screen -ls shows 1 socket.
hanbot: continuing my mounting woes, i can't unmount sdb3 partition on target drive from initial cuntoo bootstrap.sh (target is busy); offending process from 'lsof | grep sdb3' looks like /proc/4693/exe ("txt, unknown"), no response from kill -9, no idea how it zombied out or why, what am i gonna do?
lobbes_field: Then, I'm back to attacking http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/ (which, I've -completely- missed my deadline on)
lobbes_field: To update: Now that I have a bootable Cuntoo, a hand-rolled Gentoo, and a proper keccak v setup (with ave1-gnat), the only item left in my 'remedial' hopper is to read and sign Spyked's keccak regrind of logbot_command_router_python >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 << sadly, I've got a neglected hopper to attend to first ☝︎
hanbot: so check this out: on new attempt to run cuntoo bootstrap.sh, i get this error: "umount: invalid option -- 'R'". whereas man umount shows no uppercase R option (lowercase r makes sense, remount read-only). and moreover, first bootstrap.sh run moved past this no prob, not like the script *changed*, wth?
mircea_popescu: hey, i recall a time in the 90s irc was for dating. fulla exactly the kinda gal you'd like to meet, bash & fuck on 1st "date".
mircea_popescu: i got ~same impression.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i translated the chinesium, it's 100% snoar, some kinda fiatological dark-age #b-a
mircea_popescu: I AM INSISTING YOU FUCKING DO IT AT ALL!
mircea_popescu: yes, of course. i'm not proposing you publish the damn thing in any particular scheme, or that your math comes out a particular way
asciilifeform: i'ma make another 'train schedule' after 17.
asciilifeform: keccak, for instance, needs a solid block of at least 3d. how am i to know when i'll get 3d ?
asciilifeform: certain parts defo. which is why i'ma rearrange the ordering.
mircea_popescu: this is yet another red herring. it is evidently true one needs arbitrary long chunks for arbitrary long tasks, say "to prove m-r i need a weekend alone". but "ffa" IS NOT this. ffa is eminently aditive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that because http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900416 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and as to b), you never to my fucking knowledge said the "hey honey, ima go see if i can find something to shoot at in the forest" part. it's never "hey, i plan to spend so much dough to realise this much unbooked profit on the basis of this pricetag and through this process"
mircea_popescu: as to a) : 1. you see an item for sale, for price X. 2. you don't even bother to calculate the expected-average-X, i suspect, but merely "intuit" it, without even a full second's thought. 3. you calculate X-imagined-avg-X thus obtaining a delta, which then motivates you to purchase, and in the process ALSO commits you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it over the tea : if mircea_popescu dun object, i'ma turn 16b into an appendix, it's stupid that it holds up the flow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta drink the tea before entirely cold, brb
mircea_popescu: then you can say "hey folks, we're done with the ffa that i know how to do, item is shelved for now, will pick it up if i wise up"
mircea_popescu: by leaving it for the end, where all the "i dunno how to do this yet" go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can i ? how do i cut m-r proof into small ?
mircea_popescu: this is your problem here, see. like any mental problem, it has its articulations. to you i have no doubt this nonsense makes sense, "i can't promise one a week, i got a job".
asciilifeform: i cannot promise to mircea_popescu et al, '1/week', given as i do whole thing in hours between wiping microshit-encrusted arse for a living.
mircea_popescu: or what is it, "lalala i can't hear it, dun count, not my problem" ?
asciilifeform: what does mircea_popescu want for an answer ? 'yes i'ma shit it out by thursday'?
mircea_popescu: again... did that make some sort of sense as an answer in your head, that was lost on its way to my head ? because i don't see it
mircea_popescu: what you do is what every other similar idiot did since the invention of empire : keep balooning your debts, "yes i'm late with instalment 1 but instalment 2 will be 3x as big! [and also, of course, late]"
mircea_popescu: looky here : the man who tells his wife "ima go see if i can find something to shoot at in the forest, we're fucking starving here" and the man who just disappears into the forest one day are readily distinguishable.
mircea_popescu: but this entire "i work job!!!" thing's also a red herring. looky how your life flows : 1. your company needs some cash on a regular, predictable, and known in advance basis. 2. for convenience's sake i undertake a quarters' worth or so of this. 3. you turn around and buy, exactly like the people of walmart, a piece of hardware. on fucking impulse, there was ~no need for it~ and further, ~no time to use it~. but you wanted th
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja even get around to e.g trying the m-r ? still seems to me that i'm baking it faster than anyone's eating.
asciilifeform: it so also happens that asciilifeform has day job, where actually cranks out predictable crud. and it soaks up ~70-80% of cycles. but since i dun write about it, apparently as if dun exist.
mircea_popescu: basically, i think i can authoritatively say, on the basis of having been trying to manage your efforts in the past however many years nsa existed, your approach to work is as follows : 1. there's an indistinct and unspecified ball of things you deduced you want on the basis of them being more or less connected to a core of goodness which, not necessarily very examinedly, seems to yield them as first degree relations. 2. you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i buy some gear, and with moneyback warranty, had to test it. this is done. nao back to the regularly-scheduled biz.
mircea_popescu: did that make some sort of sense as an answer in your head, that was lost on its way to my head ? because i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what am i putting in this month's report, " alf was gonna do ffa but went away to play with xrays instead" ?
asciilifeform continues to marvel at the degree of decerebration needed to swallow 'hey, i'ma go to encryptmyveheheryseekritmessage.com and the receiver will go to decryptmyveheheryseekritmessageanddefinitelynotrelaytousg.com and all is well'
mircea_popescu: "All the info I see is that this is very old tech and programming. The Symbolics company actually is no longer around." dumb cunt's doing "support" by looking shit up in google.
BingoBoingo: "This does look to be nearly 20 year old tech. It was used as a supplement for the process to work on I/O devices. It’s actually not needed at all with your system."
asciilifeform: ...related convo from coupla days ago: pet: 'hey that's a woodchipper going by' a: 'aha' pet: 'how come it didn't stop, why aintcha in it' a: 'dunno, i guess not time yet'
mircea_popescu: and so in this manner. i'd fully expect they'd try to bring a challenge, "oh, muh preshious licenses"
mircea_popescu: "Bolton asked about tweets calling Maduro a dictator who violates human rights: CNN: Do you not see US support for other dictators around the world undermines the credibility of your argument. Bolton: No, I don’t think it does. I think it’s separate."
mircea_popescu: if i ran it, they'd be immediatelly struck out, "you've lied before, criminal conspiracy, may not present evidence". if i was cross-examining, i'd bury them under their own history, "your honor, my client has no history of lying in court -- that schmuck over there represents an organisation specifically predicated on exactly that".
mircea_popescu: it seems strategically sound, "oh, i betcha they couldn't fuck gcc/glibc without gnat -- well, what if it can be denied!!!"
mircea_popescu: this entire thing we're doing here is more of a hit on the femstate in computing than the original drepperisms systemv was a hit on the republic. we're turning the tables, i'd expect some reaction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arguably 'disappeared' already, i was unable to find any trace of any serious public use of gnat, outside of our walls
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder what battle will the usg.gnu tards pick to fight us over. confiscation of gnat ? not yet ?
diana_coman: quite; I suspect it would cleanup the set of scripts too as atm it's a bit hairy to follow everything (or at least so it seemed to me coming at it relatively from the outside)