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cazalla: a search of "1970s college chicks" turns up http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706084/The-yearbook-never-An-arts-college-1970s-hair-big-parties-raucous-nudity-welcomed-VERY-liberal.html
mircea_popescu: why would brain wallets want or need a derpy website ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, one good, lucky, weird angled shot or in other words the exception that proves the rule, this ain't hot for a college chick
mircea_popescu: no way, hilary was a hottie in her teens and 20s
asciilifeform: the last time this surfaced in a major way was when cnc lathe & mill were introduced, in the '50s (paper tape!) and engineers took to the notion that machinists could now be dispensed with
mircea_popescu: it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: this is a recurring theme throughout the history of agrarian civilisations trying to internalise the industrial revolution - chiefly by putting a bit of their flesh i nthe machine. the jews supposedly making bread out of goy boy blood, the wine made by stepping on grapes, the sovet factory that ceased to work once they forbade huyspeak...
asciilifeform believes that this tale, if has any factual ground, is a corruption of some other thing that was actually physically plausible
asciilifeform: and a serious lapse in quality when somehow the staffing rotated and this was not done
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230197 << there is a famous and quasi-mythological story about ww2 factory where ппш-41 ( http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/11/112064/1619943-ars57_6.jpg ) was made. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other.
asciilifeform: programmatizing gpg is a pain, though.
mircea_popescu: to celebrate, a) http://36.media.tumblr.com/553cb4545aac61708c7ee0e5ed3731b4/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo2_1280.jpg b) http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54ca2d22753e155762833ed0a90fab5/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo1_1280.jpg c) http://40.media.tumblr.com/fba60944df78dda1dda52e448775a54e/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo4_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in somewhat related nyooz, i've been experimenting with what for now i call 'v' - a very dumb 'versioner' that i've been writing, which eats solely 0) pgp keys 1) patches 2) signatures for same, many-to-many mapping of (2) to (1) ☟︎
asciilifeform: (for a spell anyway)
mircea_popescu: so you don't want to own a faucet, instead prefer to alter schroedinger with your mind ?
asciilifeform: ^ that nobody gave half a fuck ?
mircea_popescu: and i'm entirely at a loss as to why you'd want to engineer THAT
asciilifeform: it tried, i have a bag of'em here
mircea_popescu: (but that's because it never was given a chance. you know, like al's thing)
mircea_popescu: but the ev consideration, and the capital allocation consideration, and operations are three points forming a triangle
mircea_popescu: not even necessarily a likely or in any case the only stable solution
mircea_popescu: yes there may be a why somewhere. maybe there is. maybe they jacked off and spludged in that shape. none of your busienss in any case.
mircea_popescu: a million, zero, undefined.
mircea_popescu: so your choice of whether you want a good computer or not reduces to whether you're willing to live without the mass delusion of you know, "democracy" or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. do you live in a world where most capital is uselessly distributed to idiots ?
mircea_popescu: (the only solution to the soft-warm comparison is a decent pair of tits)
asciilifeform: my real question was 'is it possible to finance a computer without duping millions that they Must Upgrade Because (tm) ' ?
mircea_popescu: the point of comparison weould be "pile of scrap metal in the approximate shape of a desktop"
mircea_popescu: about 2.5k if it were a pig.
asciilifeform: near a locus of earthly power
asciilifeform: something which is a ~place~
mircea_popescu: 2.5k calories a day * 365 * 20 is a decent chunk oif change even in hfcs terms
asciilifeform: i had this whole 'trip' while holding a ru z80 in my hands and wondering why there is no more where it came from
mircea_popescu: your parents decided to have a baby.
mircea_popescu: but looky : man in space is -ev in the sense that if you make a bill of the required materials, and then divide the stores by that, you come to a number that's < world pop.
mircea_popescu: "all i did all week was write a program to save me one keystroke per month - INCREASE WORKEFICIENCY!1"
mircea_popescu: the way "computer expert" approaches a problem ? first, he sits around imagining a problem that might be. then he comes up with the most theoretically-lovable way to solve a general problem three steps removed from what he imagined. then he proceeds to fail to implement a solution that mostly works.
mircea_popescu: there is a directly obvious place where this is true. the way i approach a problem ? i have someone do it by hand. after enough of this, i have someone else automatize the easy to automatize parts. it grows from there.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
trinque: was by no means a slight against mod6
mircea_popescu: "I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're re
decimation: I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
asciilifeform: whereas i suspect that it is only a small part of the great shortages
asciilifeform: but sure, aside. there is still such a thing as -ev on civilization scale
asciilifeform: when building pyramid, you aren't harvesting fields, and somehow somebody will have to eat a bit less.
asciilifeform: 'construct a habitable planet'
asciilifeform: but only showed a vague sketch of how to solve the remaining half
mircea_popescu: on the ethnic filter point, a) it was not actulaly the case historically (new york by ww1 was just about getting to the point of advancement) ; b) it'sjust the lazy man's approach to things. doesn't work, either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it also did not help that scheme was used as a torture ritual in schools
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229941 << similar system in usa. if you don't 'file tax', not only is there a fine levied, but the tax charged will be based on what usg 'thinks' you could have earned that year. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229811 << in the movie 'Interstellar', the 'space race' is taught to children as a thing the us used to bankrupt the ussr, and rocket jockeys are villified ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:57:42; mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:54:53; nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't"
asciilifeform: hence naggum pissing on scheme as a 'pedo' language that is only loved by folks who like the embryonic stage of things when they have no wrinkles (by his lights)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229917 << a unified standard library never formed. a few implementation-specific fairly complete libraries - did, but the kind of folks attracted to scheme all turned nose at them (incl. me) - 'ewww, not orthogonal, not beautiful, not scheme at all' -- them (and me) ☝︎
nubbins`: add a spare blade, i think i dropped close to a thou on that fucking thing
nubbins` points to client who paid $1ea for business cards, printed and trimmed by hand, because digital offset shop w/ electronic die cutter did such a shitty job o.O
mircea_popescu: i have a dog that can slobber better than any race horse :D
nubbins`: i do have a lovely plough, cca 14th century tech, that can trim a phone book cleaner than the phone book factory does
nubbins`: we're more of a quality over quantity sort of shop
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you need like a patron over there.
nubbins`: but am i gonna spend a year in court arguing it?
nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not that the presence of "official committees" isn't a sign that the thing's dead/dying.
nubbins`: salvation is on its way out as a motivator
nubbins`: asciilifeform the fact that the si and hf exists means the guy's probably not as much of a fuckin rube as the dude who built the church his grandfather was married in
nubbins`: not in 1st world anyway. when i was in the sacred valley of peru, right in the middle of a 7 hour hike i came across a bunch of guys building a church outta mud bricks
asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other. ☟︎
nubbins`: but, this is now a relic of the past
asciilifeform: didn't really have a 'takeoff velocity'
asciilifeform: anyway this thread really cannot go anywhere without a mircea_popescu, so i will leave it here.
asciilifeform: the thing that makes the pyramid a pyramid, at least in a schoolbook example, is that it is not something anyone (but the king) actually ~wants~ that much
asciilifeform: i contend that (b) necessarily involves the same amount of enslavement as (a)
asciilifeform: just to work out example on a napkin. say you, a king, want a pyramid built. could a) conscript ten thousand folks to work to death building it b) debase the currency and hire builders
asciilifeform: not a question for me
asciilifeform: in a vain attempt to avoid being ground into mud
assbot: U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkmM1K )
nubbins`: When asked, hypothetically, how he would pay for complicated life-saving surgery for a loved one, Polk seemed uncertain. "That's a lot of vegetables, isn't it?" he said.
asciilifeform: so it is not enough for there to be a market of want-ers. they also gotta be pay-ers
asciilifeform: but what if a dildo intrinsically cost more to make, energy/resource-wise, than the user could ever hope to repay ?
asciilifeform: ~this~ is why just about every large ic maker in history has either gone broke or become a quasi-governmental entity
asciilifeform: re: ic thread: whole thing is kinda coming together in my skull. quite likely ~^^this^^~ is why it is impossible to borrow money to fund a computer-related anything, without a convincing plan to somehow pass the bezzle to a greater chump
assbot: Call off the bee-pocalypse: U.S. honeybee colonies hit a 20-year high - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVYqZK )
nubbins`: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/23/call-off-the-bee-pocalypse-u-s-honeybee-colonies-hit-a-20-year-high/
trinque: I am to the point where a bootable root.img is repeatably produced
nubbins`: and then i found myself in a spiral of photolitho articles.
asciilifeform: something can well be ubiquitous, fun to have around, considered a basic element of civilization - and ultimately be -EV.
asciilifeform: it is conceivable the the entire ic age has been fueled by a continuously-rolling 'jam tomorrow' bezzle
assbot: 4 results for 'hardcopy fpga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hardcopy+fpga
nubbins`: ^ you buy a butchered pig, the farmer's keeping your tenderloin tips.
asciilifeform: see also the old thread re: how no one ever, to date, non-fraudulently financed the production of a bitcoin miner.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229626 << at -ev? thing is, nobody ever invented 'reasonably priced electronics sold to sane people.' that is, no one has ever demonstrated the economic feasibility of this. the only kinds of computer sold in perhaps 25 years were: a) sold to chumps buying forced 'pr0gr3ssss' and b) so expensive everyone shits his pants ☝︎
nubbins`: i designed some posters this week: http://imgur.com/a/QhwUN
asciilifeform: the subject swallows own arse, and either disappears in a flash of gamma rays, or becomes an adult computerist
asciilifeform: (describes not scheme per se, but walks the student through implementing scheme in scheme, and then implementing a detailed simulator for a machine which is the intrinsic minimum for executing scheme.)
asciilifeform: the book (lovingly referred to as sicp, 'sick pee') is a textbook illustration of precisely what i mean when i say 'fits in head'.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: when it appeared, american schools began to use it as a mandatory undergrad textbook. and you can measure precisely when each school turned full-bore retard by ~when they stopped~