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ben_vulpes: fwiw google makes their robotranscripts available over http
mircea_popescu: i know a bunch of imbeciles who should speak a lot more hesitatingly than this guy. such as for instance ~everyone not-white. somehow, they don't, going all the way to like obama daring to even open his mouth in public.
asciilifeform: iirc he is the orig author of the ersatz ivory emulator
asciilifeform: ( reti is the other half of dks-and-reti skeleton crew )
asciilifeform: maybe he knew that the money were running out, lol
mircea_popescu: what is with all these people!
asciilifeform: iirc d00d doesn't exactly speak the king's englisch
mircea_popescu: who wants to bring up a speech to text thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc there was a captioned version on youtube. but seems to have evaporated.
asciilifeform: ( note that no one in ru has any doubt how to pronounce d00d's name, because чаушеску makes perfect sense )
mircea_popescu: reti's speech. wtf is with the sound only bs.
asciilifeform: which this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did anyone transcribe this ?
asciilifeform: i'm missing the proper letter on this particular terminal anyway lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's traditionally spelled ceausescu. there's no soft c in romanian, esp not next to e.
asciilifeform: the bolix people fit a complete lisp-to-silicon system in less space than taken by original 'wolfenstein' .
asciilifeform: and with ~zero~ overflowandcrashlang 'legacy' crapolade in the stack.
asciilifeform: ( they had to be )
asciilifeform: by all indications, they were pretty effective -- but, far more importantly -- extremely compact.
asciilifeform: just as ceaucescu was content to 'steal' vlsi from the decaying west, i am perfectly content to steal the algos from bolix.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and so on, a whole host of, centrally, the same thing. a sort of iliterate solipsism.
mircea_popescu: it's the fundamental orcism, this. expressed pluriously by the orcs now inhabiting the once-proud colonies. "you couldn't know as you haven't experienced". really, bitch ? what the fuck DO YOU THINK KNOWLEDGE EVEN IS!
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, the page.
asciilifeform: ( consider -- if the 'meaning can be had from context', why is the word even there on the page ? )
mircea_popescu: "could you guess from context what the unknown word means ???"
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
asciilifeform: this is the inevitable doom of people who will not read.
phf: apeloyee: i have a friend who periodically attempts to write his own programming language, but without reading any documentation. when i ask him, hey, why not read lisp in small pieces or something, he just goes "well, i'm going to learn something just by trying", which i recently realized is straight up american education model. there's nothing that comes out of it though, he just keeps banging his head against solved problems!
asciilifeform: it has to be seen.
asciilifeform: i dun normally recommend 'screen films' but there is simply no other way to properly summarize what bolix was.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: ever see the infamous kalman reti film ? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-16#925610 mirror still seems to work ) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: The point is once lowered, bar keeps finding ways to fall further
asciilifeform: 'emperor' drinks same flavoured water as the prole, today.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if 'coke' dies, 'pepsi' will reign, the basic idea remains
mircea_popescu: alternatively, beer is swill to begin with, and esp the alt-flavoured sprite they sell in the us.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> of course reality caught up with poor shoemaker's imagination, and today's 'emperors' indeed have not only front porches but armchair with tv with foxnoose, and refrigerator full of 'bud' << The local noise is dominated by 'bud' sales freefalling. Popular yet unverifiable by me theory is lack of once much marketed 'Born on date' discontinued by the Brazilians is letting retailers and wholesalers keep rancid product on
asciilifeform: apeloyee: but on the other hand any attempt to build a sane arch, without fully grasping the bolix stack, from ic to the compiler, is lunacy. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: he likes the z80 for the same reasons in the same way. and other obsolete matter.
mircea_popescu: not that many examples of not fundamentally braindamaged computing around.
apeloyee: do you like the 'ivory' architecture so much?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:55 asciilifeform: in sadder noose, cheapest bolix ivory microscopy quote, chinese, that covers all the layers ( metal and passivation ) is ~30,000 usd.
asciilifeform: btw phf seems like ivory not happenin' any time soon ( see thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737657 ) . ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 100% petrus in this sense. << Petrus Macht Frei!
asciilifeform: phf: my understanding is that author was simply doing homework ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: i understand your point, but i'm not sure that the author in question made a choice by considering viable alternatives, rather than from not knowing
asciilifeform: ( originally a kalash is a type of breading )
asciilifeform: which linked chix is the 1 in question ? the film extra, or the academic
mircea_popescu: (dudin's alt-explanation of who *** was in to ***)
mircea_popescu: keeping sane memstructs 99% of the job i am pretty well persuaded.
asciilifeform: same way we avoid gavinization of trb, for instance.
apeloyee: how to avoid perlization of $newscriptlang then?
asciilifeform: and the multi-GB liquishit ecosystem they drag along
asciilifeform: but yes, to ditch the pyturds and perlisms
mircea_popescu: by all accounts he had no sex in the 70s or 80s ; but in any case had not even satisfied that minimum bar of middle class bourgeoisie of a 2nd girl somewhere.
apeloyee: ascillifeform: what do you need a scriptlang for if haz a proper lispm? to bootstrap lispm interpreter/compiler?
asciilifeform: bbbut the museum ! ( they opened a 'ceaucescu's summer palace' thing , with golden errrythings )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's scandalous ahistorism. the man ate ~like a monk.
mircea_popescu: (more fully visible, this evolution, in china. communists, rite ?)
asciilifeform: sorta accounts for my somewhat contrarian reaction to the much-advertised 'golden toilet' aspect of ceaucescu
mircea_popescu: ironically, romania's communist party had made the socialist republic very very far from the "sacred ideals". usg much more worthy of the S than rsr ever manafged to be.
asciilifeform: just like the lowest prole
asciilifeform: of course reality caught up with poor shoemaker's imagination, and today's 'emperors' indeed have not only front porches but armchair with tv with foxnoose, and refrigerator full of 'bud'
asciilifeform: ( the noun is lost, but придворный remains 'courtier' )
mircea_popescu: all ro words are false cognates. that's what ro does.
asciilifeform: waitasec is this false cognate with the ru
mircea_popescu: (but the above, there is mention made of eg, emperor going out into the pridvor, ie peasant style veranda. cuz he must've had one. and so on. how could a house be without ? esp if rich enough ?)
mircea_popescu: in a sense. yes, there's a certain purity in ignorance.
mircea_popescu: 100% petrus in this sense.
mircea_popescu: the ro folklore imagines the emperor's court as a sort of larger peasant house. i have no doubt ceausescu imagined all others as a sort of "people from village i have known"
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the man had any sort of comprehension of the world outside the sheerest anachronism.
asciilifeform: hey americans to this day have ~0 problem 'respecting', e.g., washington, despite slave fleet ( and on top of it, near-total unletteredness )
mircea_popescu: had no idea of eg the man's letters, as they weren't in the 3rd grade manual. or of anything else.
mircea_popescu: not at all. he had the most cursory familiarity with the man's work, of the exact sort as might have been pounded into a trades apprentice during basic schooling by kingdom efforts.
asciilifeform: or possibly he wasn't prepared to piss on his pushkin ?
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt he understood alecsandri as anything else. "a writer", yes, like a sort of newspaper man ++, a young mark twain, maybe talented, his paternal job being to "make available circumstances to development".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to get back to teh ceausescu lulz : he describes vasile alecsandri (a rich, old boyar who also wrote poems, very much like say pushkin, massive landholder etc. but ceausescu discusses his work in terms of oyu know, "this journalist kid from the 1800s, did his job, wrote for the people".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737917 << yes that was it! ty davout ☝︎
asciilifeform: i would like to see the minimal practical nonlisp loc, in such an animal
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 << i gotta add to this before it runs away : when making ~scriptlang~ ( rather than an actual lispm ) very different set of design tradeoffs might be acceptable, it they reduce complexity and in particular nonlisp LOC ☝︎
asciilifeform: hey, d00d pumped his listening-before-talking muscle for so long that it's schwartzneger-sized
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes i get this feeling like he's trying to discern if we're idiots.
asciilifeform: it's the same as doing nothing
asciilifeform: i did note this, you don't escape by gluing upper bits to equal 1
mircea_popescu: at significant cost, twas in the logs.
mircea_popescu: ah you meant in his thing. yes it still applies, he shaves a further half bit is all.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee from 11(2045 bits unset)1 to 11(2045 bits set)1
asciilifeform: apeloyee exactly half of the bitness of modulus.
asciilifeform: it is possible, this way, to leak 'half a bit' instead of whole.
apeloyee: what's the range of candidate p's?
mircea_popescu: once you decide rsa is based on mult, you decide to take the mult leak.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
mircea_popescu: apeloyee because this is a mathematical leak, it's not avoidable properly speaking. multiplication is not a neutral op wrt the tails of the multiplicands. but leaks.
asciilifeform: nah, in the sense where neither i nor anybody else can distinguish hash(fg output) from hash(we fuck pigs) , without knowing the answer ahead of time
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 14:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737516 << this is no leak ; it is a restatement of "first two bits set to 11, so you only use 2045 bit keys"
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737571 << if k MSBs of N are 1s, then k MSBs of p and q both are 1s, ie it only leaks sometimes. the leak itself is small, but since slightly biased RNG wouldn't be acceptable, then why this is? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: something like that ?
mircea_popescu: even the shoddiest 2011 scammers produce ~perfect "bitcoin business opportunities". hence the popularity of scam-investment.
asciilifeform: ( aside from knowing the riddle key )