asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's on the other side.

asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel

asciilifeform: i get briefings periodically.

asciilifeform: pet reads it, i can't be arsed

asciilifeform: ^ described in agonizing detail therein, iirc

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: in its own way.

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: left it floating without engine.

asciilifeform: yudkowsky successfully bootstrapped his inner cult to the next level, of being a properly institutionalized and usgized org, and he didn't need the public www any moar.

asciilifeform: the opposite.

asciilifeform: no ! interestingly !

asciilifeform: the wind fell from its sails, and the cultists scattered to the four winds

asciilifeform: 'less wrong'

asciilifeform: in, imho, an interesting way:

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also missed this when it happened, but it imploded.

asciilifeform: which is eons old.

asciilifeform: but i actually have nfi if that particular chumpatron is still rollin'. all i ever knew of it was from the mr mold film linked earlier.

asciilifeform: like any good organized fraud, the futarchy folks consist of a few conscious sc4mz0rz who know exactly what they're doing, and a buncha useful idiots.

asciilifeform: nor nelson b hunt etc.

asciilifeform: 'never owned suit of clothing'

asciilifeform: 'opin as to .... performance'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai where was this

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would it make much difference if there could ?

asciilifeform: and if you think i will use scrolls that don't respond to mouse wheel, EVER, think again.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: so explain the atrocious athena soup

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477341 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, still in the sense that the urbit thing chugs along

asciilifeform: which can be x or anything else

asciilifeform: all it really needs is a 2d output port.

asciilifeform: why does clim have to use any of the native gui widgets ?

asciilifeform: much less some piddling gui.

asciilifeform: more than whole os + bitcoinatron ought to weigh.

asciilifeform allergic, breaks out in hives when sees it

asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKING athena widgets.

asciilifeform: and motif-infested.

asciilifeform: now if only clim weren't dog-slow.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: trinque: nobody was looking for stalin. instead it was 'capitalist' spray paint on the old popular vote nonsense.

asciilifeform: can't be arsed.

asciilifeform: i have nfi whether they're still at it, and if so - how.

asciilifeform: the 'futarchy' folks were trying to give ye olde demoooooocracy a new spray paint coat.

asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: mold was actually representing sanity in that one

asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel

asciilifeform: has various strange 'darth vader' nervous ticks, presumably from years of living in cave

asciilifeform: and the man is very clearly not camera-ready.

asciilifeform: trinque: last time i saw him on video, it was https://vimeo.com/9262193

asciilifeform: specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg' ☟︎

asciilifeform: as in, max transactions PERIOD.

asciilifeform: ^ mr mold, apart from the 1,001 other atrocious design decisions, added cherry to the shitcake by making his 'coins' have 9 lives.

asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224582 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224594 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: arguably that one pre-dated the others. just took a while to fully bloom.

asciilifeform: ^^ -----> say hello to new ethercrapcoin

asciilifeform: last slide: 'ready for self-hosted address space crowdsale'

asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkZ3GkeU9kg << l0l, mr mold - lives! no more ships, now 'comets', 'moons', ...

asciilifeform: eh.

asciilifeform: hello fromphuctor !

asciilifeform: $up fromphuctor

asciilifeform: fact is, a good chunk of the traffic on dulap 80 is from traditional bots who loudly proclaim themselves.

asciilifeform: yes but ~why~

asciilifeform: even google has the pretty much whole surface-visible structure indexed now.

asciilifeform: it isn't as if the site somehow resists crawling of the usual sort.

asciilifeform: what does the bot operator get out of it ?

asciilifeform: i meant, what is the use of this.

asciilifeform: sure, if you ~only~ want to emulate 'human reader', it is not difficult. but what exactly is the point of this exercise.

asciilifeform: how not ?

asciilifeform: (can write bot that operates sluggishly, human-like, loads various unnecessary sub-pages, etc. but this means fewer clickfraudulent clicks etc.)

asciilifeform: mainly because it cuts into throughput.

asciilifeform: but in actual practice, ~nobody bothers.

asciilifeform: yes, in principle it is not difficult to pass 'log reader turing test'

asciilifeform: this is a typical and lulzy reversal of the usual mircea_popescu vs asciilifeform mega-threadz

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if bot, it was a spiffily human-like bot. when you have log scrolling in one eye all day, ~every day, you get a feel for the zoology

asciilifeform: yes, could easily be his sworn enemy, praying for his key to pop, wahtevr.

asciilifeform: jurov: i don't. but it is not entirely unreasonable conjecture.

asciilifeform: neato mod6

asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4222B8F63EF091A0CD257743909482862B9D7D34A7FD4E635A71C9471097BEEA << this fella checks his key ~every single day. herr kucera, if you are tuned in, speak up !

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'no motivation to pester' thing is possibly changing, as ro is slowly converted into usg forward base

asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski look for 'double-converter' ups - 1500VA and up. these draw current at all times, and lack the familiar relay 'click' - the inverter is always on. they come ~exclusively~ in rack-mount shape.

asciilifeform: then logical.

asciilifeform: just like steam was in su

asciilifeform: dunno about ro, but where i live gas is piped in by the city

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's so spiffy about this. so now they can rely on ru gas instead of own coal ?

asciilifeform: and my point was that you can get a ~very~ good, and almost man-portable double-converting ups for almost nothing.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here in the north americanistans he can get absolute rubbish installed for maxint.

asciilifeform: naturally. lamps.

asciilifeform: which yes, mircea_popescu doesn't ever see

asciilifeform: esp in a climate with <0 temps

asciilifeform: nobody keeps serious battery (for double-converting ups) outdoors, they die 10x faster

asciilifeform: the battery in this case ( mircea_popescu's outdoor wagon ) is used to start the diesel.

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477901 << gensets, either BingoBoingo or mircea_popescu's, do absolutely nothing until ~30sec or so after total blackout ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477896 << 'liebert' ☝︎

asciilifeform: aah

asciilifeform: what issue

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477885 << waiwut ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477876 << 'make the rubble bounce' (tm) (r) ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf: iirc ecl is kyoto.

asciilifeform: welcome back to old rusty planet3, phf

asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski silicon is element 14, ~silicone~ is a type of synthetic rubber ! i can't even fathom how folks confuse the 2