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trinque: beat the fuck out of some kid that stole my recess hat, threw to friend
asciilifeform: trinque: ahahahaha in that sense it's great. i'm pretty happy i went to one in usa
trinque: I mean, they wanted me to have a cultural experience outside my own, and... did.
shinohai: "This is what *not* to do!"
asciilifeform: dun make te-pb a great thing.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform grew up in orcistan with tetraethyl-pb petrol, also 'turned out fine', lol
trinque: and look, I turned out fine
trinque: heh, I was sent to a black elementary school under some kind of diversity program.
mircea_popescu: i like how indignant screen gets. this IS window 6!!!
asciilifeform: and how the brahmins transfered their spawn to private schools the day prior.
mircea_popescu: recall when they started bussing kids to school lest you know, family ties survive or some such
asciilifeform: i.e. the ultimate crime under the inca.
asciilifeform: 'Under its own policies, Facebook should have flagged these ads, and prevented the posting of some of them. Its failure to do so revives questions about whether the company is in compliance with federal fair housing rules, as well as about its ability and commitment to police discriminatory advertising on the world’s largest social network.' << ohnoez, plebes illicitly trying to practice freedom of association
asciilifeform: nobody would even contemplate paying the ludicrous 500k-1mil usd for a motherfucking cardboard box, other than at gunpoint.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:51 asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:48 asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 03:47 asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector
ben_vulpes: facebook builds ad platforms that lets you target people based on skin color and income among a zillion other things, this is all great until people start advertising housing to whites
ben_vulpes: in other uproariously hilarious things: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-advertising-discrimination-housing-race-sex-national-origin
BingoBoingo has today acquired place to office through December $311 bezzel bucks and place to sleep $400 through December 26th. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: fucking 'founders series' vehicle by a company trading on the public markets, give me a breka
ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years ☟︎
ben_vulpes: > two attackers accessed a private GitHub coding site used by Uber software engineers and then used login credentials they obtained there to access data stored on an Amazon Web Services account that handled computing tasks for the company...Later, they emailed Uber asking for money.
asciilifeform: whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 << From my cursory understanding of the segwit system there's no way to know if coins are in a segwit address until it is spent. It is effectively of the nature where you must know x in h(x) for the coins to be spent, so a miner cannot snag the coins until the segwitter tries to spend. ☝︎
deedbot: whaack rated ben_vulpes 2 << friendly and helpful republican with knowledge of the sewers of the web
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu patches those!111
asciilifeform: this is more or less a given. what was the last heathen artifact that we found usable exactly as found? i can't recall even one
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:56 phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
asciilifeform: wat's wrong with scheme-style simple state machine that knows when to cons a new cell , where symbol names begin/end, and which becomes the car/cdr .
phf: you also want to have a custom symbol reader, because reading cl::foo is going to explode with a "locked package" error
phf: also probably want to not have #s because that requires a state of the environment
asciilifeform: ( which will not include #. because then all bets off. )
asciilifeform: could even formulate the very definition of a forum, as a set of folx who agree on a minimal readtable.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:57 asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
phf: as they say in russia, флаг в руки
asciilifeform: i dun see what part of that is nonobvious
phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable* ☟︎
asciilifeform: i see 0 reason to have #. be bound when reading untrusted sexprs.
phf: there's no such thing as a standard sexps. sure (foo "bar" 1.2) but #\abc or #x123 exist in the same realm as #.(...)
phf: (read-from-string "#.(format t \"hello, world~%\")")
asciilifeform: whole thing quoted.
asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem. ☟︎
phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:15 mircea_popescu: let's also see if phf wants to add nething.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740959 << i think i said that in logs before, but sexp is a poor data exchange format. read operation relies on current state of *readtable* and traditionally readtable is customized to specific operator needs. there's a default *readtable*, but it's too unconstrained to be used for deserialization of untrusted data, since it, for example, supports arbitrary code execution, circular structures, etc. ☝︎
phf: strings as lists of character is a schemist wankery anyway along the "our cpu uses church numerals!1"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:21 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:57 asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741280 << it doesn't, logotron necessarily has to interpret the nature of bytes (because the display layer is explicitly encoded). so the log collection and storage is 8 bit clean, but display makes assumpetions for rendering purpose. specifically i assume that log is utf8, but if utf8 decoder fails on line, i fall back to latin-1 (this is a traditional irc mechanism, details of which have been discussed) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 << i don't need to consider that, i grok metacircularity, i.e. there's no such thing as builtin symbols. bytecode or not is lateral to that point. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:40 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741053 << i'm not part of the amphetamine culture. i like to sleep ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( granted, it is not an ~impossible~ matter, as it would be if the proggy had been written in pointerlang. but merely ~difficult~. )
asciilifeform: theoretically the same applies to other bounds checks, but the proof is a much trickier matter
asciilifeform: and safe to switch off if (and only if) you can prove that there are at no point uninitialized variables read
asciilifeform: i will add that the bounds checking code , which we have because idjit pc arch , dwarfs the actual algos
asciilifeform: ( for max speed you want ~0 function calls at all, if possible, for so long as the thing still fits in cache )
mod6: inline triples it 'eh
asciilifeform: gnarly but within the bounds of the readable
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 17:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741722 << this is the only correct approach. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Socket or cable you spliced extension to.
asciilifeform: socket more often the problem.
ben_vulpes: well it's a rated pigtail, copper through and through
asciilifeform: ah then you've made the chinese cord for yerself, lol
ben_vulpes: oh also receptacle is very high on the wall, extending made it a guaranteed fit, replacing woulda been tight borderline not-workable.
asciilifeform: 'trivially' in the sense where you dun need any higher tech than screwdriver
ben_vulpes: when heater element goes, then, fine.
ben_vulpes: 'trivially', did not want to start gentooing dryers as well
asciilifeform: typically it's attached to lug bolts under the cover
ben_vulpes: leprosy cheese on the shit sandwich of american products is that the dryer power cable was not trivially replaceable, had to be extended.
asciilifeform: this is sorta the pasteurized milk thread again, in different light. 'can't have unmolested milk, because ~must~ have caged cows, and ergo unmolested milk will killya' etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 30amp 220v cord dun come in 'extension' in usa, for the obvious reason that the cable dun come in real-copper and the socket dun come in non-chinese, ergo automatic fire hazard.
ben_vulpes: semi-relatedly, i went to build an extension cord for my dryer, ~all the old women at the hardwarestoremegachain insisted that i simply could not do what i was going to do
BingoBoingo: This happens. I see idea executed dangerously and poorly. Then "What if maintained and done better?" Often for many idiot things right means unreasonable, and then there is la escalara de winch.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n". << Quiero sus escalara de winch, no. Quiero mis escalera de winch, si.
cruciform: mircea_popescu: nothing prepared me for the brainrot of BTCtalk BTG official thread
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 16:53 cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741698 <<< ahahahahaha this is a new level of dumb or wat ☝︎
cruciform: at the least the scams are rapidly diminishing in SFYL damage to noobs: BCH > BTG > http://supersmartbitcoin.com/
pete_dushenski: lol ya that's what i heard too
cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC ☟︎
cruciform: there's already been a hack via the online sweeper they posted on their site
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Gold Core is a full Bitcoin Gold client and builds the backbone of the network. It offers high levels of security, privacy, and stability. However, it has fewer features and it takes a lot of space and memory.
pete_dushenski: happy to help motivate
cruciform: pete_dushenski: thanks for your BCH article, btw - got me off the couch
cruciform: their fork of the Core node from https://bitcoingold.org/downloads/
mircea_popescu: right. when was the cutoff date for this one ?
cruciform: mircea_popescu: yea; the exchange doesn't ID you though
mircea_popescu: its on teh trilema.
scriba: Logged on 2017-11-21: [14:05:15] <jurov> also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
asciilifeform: ever since the 'let's fill up the blox with liquishit and push 'scalingism'' agenda was cooked up.
asciilifeform: afaik to this day.
asciilifeform: in ~that~ sense most of the conventional coin 'movement' is spamola.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?