asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907038 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-26#1904867 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907037 << i recommend to read the logs re 'specificity' ( picture yourself baking a sabotaged fpga , for victim whose gate net you do not know in advance. what would you put in it ? ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907027 << why would 'compat with x86' be ANY kind of consideration ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: burn it with fire.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907023 << whytheFUCK wouldja want the nullterm-string warcrime to exist on a brand-new arch ? ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907021 << 'dos' as typically discussed here is simply shorthand for 'os that fits in coupla kB and gets the fuck out of the way and speaks only when spoken to' , roughly ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( mandatory reading re thread : 'unix hater's handbook' )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907008 << asciilifeform is quite curious re what 'ideas in posix worth preserving', i can't think of even one ☝︎

asciilifeform will bbl : back to horiz. pos.

asciilifeform: ah these not yet

asciilifeform: i think possibly my calibration is off, when measured was 38. but still feels like inside of head is swamp water

asciilifeform: tru

asciilifeform: if indeed how it worx, prolly burned it off long ago, spent good % of childhood contracting erry possible infect

asciilifeform spent last 24hr in delerium fever in bed, soon to go back thar

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: orig was from r. rozhdestvensky , same dood who did intro to '17 moments of spring'

asciilifeform bbl, doin' entirely not-unique things

asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jbnUc/?raw=true << asciilifeform's attempt at loose transl. ☟︎

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/3BzWj << oblig oldlit.

asciilifeform: the deadsouls, i suspect, know what they are, and dun particularly relish having mirror held up to their snouts

asciilifeform: fwiw i do find it interesting that when you offer to heathen 'cheap unique' -- to bake a pubkey -- or even to post under the fucking name his progenitors gave him -- typical specimen runs screaming

asciilifeform: the disease sequelae of 'illusion of unique' i'ma not replay, mp_en_viaje covered subj to death

asciilifeform: if among'em 1 has 'enuff unique', he will not need to glue socks, but instead drive 4 feet of cock into teacher, a la mp_en_viaje , etc

asciilifeform: in jp, schoolboys wear uniform, moar or less same one asciilifeform wore in orcistan. and there they try to 'unique' by gluing socks so they stick up instead of rolling. and they beat'em for it, as is proper.

asciilifeform: this sorta thing is why sergeant beats soldier/sailor for wearing his cap sideways or whatever other idjit attempts to 'unique'

asciilifeform: the bird, tho, arguably comes closer to 'generating pubkey', at least he aint carefully trying to make his rubbish look entirely same as neighbour's

asciilifeform: not esp. diff. from certain birds which pick up 'unique' combo of rubbish to glue into nest. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re 'parameters', witness typical life cycle of ameritard. schoolboy -- glues rubbish to his knapsack, so to 'unique' . then inherits car, glues rubbish to bumper of car. then pupates and indentures into 'buying' house, glues rubbish to house. etc

asciilifeform: 'unique personalities' i'ma leave to the gods. for man imho suffices to find coupla unique primes...

asciilifeform brb:tea

asciilifeform: entirely so, fails in principle, like proggy that needs a 2 that also equals 1 sometimes

asciilifeform: imho patents were a joke from day1, what with 'exam takers' immediately finessing the problem of 'reveal enuff to win if litigated, but not enuff to build clone'

asciilifeform: all i got is naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-507.293-507.989

asciilifeform: i dun even have sharp enuff drill to get a picture where they ~have~ a 'notion of personal identity'

asciilifeform: *closed

asciilifeform: multi-mil loc. piles o'shit (and not even speaking of ~closes~ multi-mil loc, microshit etc.) go together with 'program via voodoo' like africa goes with dysentry

asciilifeform: typical homo programmicus living today, i suspect, will live & die without ever encountering a 1980s-style sys where 'understand from first principles' even conceptually seems like a possibility

asciilifeform: voluntarily. which is the mindboggler.

asciilifeform: the programmers actually built themselves a parallel world where 'science dunwork' , and moved in.

asciilifeform: the one where http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-27#846760 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: !#s sussman

asciilifeform: it is the programmers, i suspect, and not even the earthfeminists, who are at the forefront of 'climbing back into the trees' in this sense

asciilifeform: ( hence wai http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901576 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not only this, but the disease progresses , afaik, in direct proportion to how much exposure to programming

asciilifeform: grr forgot comma in above, hopefully still parses

asciilifeform: so yes will leak

asciilifeform: given miners cannot 'eat entirely from own arse' and still eat tx from 'allcomer', it aint possible to maintain 'entirely logically isolated' seekrit-btc net vs 'allcomer net', verily

asciilifeform: for all i know, the heathens have moved 100% to hearn's 'pay to ip via ssl' or similar horror

asciilifeform: was speaking strictly of the trad protocol/promise cocktail

asciilifeform: that 1 , i dun even think about much, given trb dun suffer from it

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: same convention. i was parsing 'c' as positional 'a, b, c'

asciilifeform: still remains the case that good % of what is typically thought of as the protocol, is actually promise ( i.e. it is trivial for a constructed noad to feed 'allcomers' 1 mempool, with stale shit, while he himself mines from entirely other set, that he dun relay to anyone , etc )

asciilifeform: ( recall the 'time padding' thrd ! )

asciilifeform: aa elementarily

asciilifeform: which c

asciilifeform: even then, entirely possible for even modestly clever operator to insert artificial delays, to confuse the probe

asciilifeform: the 'who lives at what ip' is entirely red herring, only the actual 'smoke from the fire' is at all informative, re heuristic 'who is miner' -- who seems to show up with new blox before others ? who takes shortest interval b/w getting a tx and it ends in a block ? etc

asciilifeform: was aboutta add -- from pov of external observer (i.e. has no moles) a 'miner cartelnet' will simply look like 'miner with n public intakes'

asciilifeform: if not..

asciilifeform: i.e. if you have moles in the closed miner wot nets -- then elementarily

asciilifeform: depends what means 'well connected'

asciilifeform: ( if even that )

asciilifeform: a good % of what those folx do, i suspect can only be explained via 'spam logic'

asciilifeform: also gotta note, i did not posit that it 'works' (in the sense of 'they make bank'), only that 'they think it worx' ( a la spam )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906728 << see downthread -- it is entirely possible that they ~are~ (and indeed 'dun need you, he can make own', was noted in thrd) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906734 << notion wasn't that parellel-mine of n, but that 'feed old tx1 to peers, while mine new tx2 that conflicts so to hose'em' ☝︎

asciilifeform brb:meat

asciilifeform: diana_coman, spyked : at this pt , 5 yrs in, i'm satisfied that i understand how ~trb~ pushes tx; problem lies in the zoo of ??? 'nodes', what do ~they~ do with it.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in 'red' usa (virginia & south-er) they have these, it's where the people with carpets fulla 2ndhand guns set up coupla-x/yr

asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje posting from the pub pictured in '17 moments of spring', complete with the oddball jukebox

asciilifeform always pictured 'biergarten' as a kindergarten w/ beer

asciilifeform: *propagate

asciilifeform: guten abend , mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: diana_coman: must admit, currently i have massive hole of mystery where 'how and where does trb tx propagage' oughta be. is why last autumn i sat down & wrote (most of) a fairly gnarly proggy to try & map out node zoology & mempool dynamics. but sadly on hold presently, not enuff hands

asciilifeform: at least in past coupla yr

asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i virtually never saw any of mine on bci & similar heathen www, until mined ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'd be quite curious to hear what trinque says about all of this; i expect today he does the most on-chain work of anyone here ☟︎

asciilifeform: for all i know, even mempool observatory would not necessarily tell you, there is 0 to stop a usg node from relaying one notional mempool to 1 peer and another to another, based on ???

asciilifeform: granted , it is impossible to say what exactly the 9000 garbage 'nodes' are running, it could be a published prb , or just about anyffin else entirely.

asciilifeform: therefore i suspect specifically the miners, for whom by a certain set of prior this idiocy appears +ev

asciilifeform: that being said, none of the prb's asciilifeform dissected to date, appeared to contain any mechanism that would preferentially propagate a tx in an n-spend set vs 'ordinary'

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-393.393-393.502 << oblig

asciilifeform: so conceivably this also in play

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: prb ~does~ iirc have a lulzy notion that it can somehow prefer 1 tx in an n-spend tuple ~in mempool~ as 'the real tx' (the protocol offers no such mechanism, of course, tx dun contain anyffin to tie it to e.g. leading block when-issued , only a promisetronic timestamp that can equal whatever the issuer wants)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless , i suppose, you know of some prb variant that in fact preferentially relays 'double spends'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is entirely separate q from the 'i sent tx1 and no one mines but then sent tx2 and bang'

asciilifeform: ( trivially, generating a tx 'to self' only costs you anyffin if ~someone else~ mines it )

asciilifeform: ... if indeed this is happening, it may also explain some of the churn liquishit that they pad blocks with -- if he cannot find a tx1-tx2 pair in the wild, then... why not generate himself.

asciilifeform: elementary napkin gametheoretical arithm suggests that it is always +ev to mine a tx for which you know a conflicting one has been issued , vs. 1 for which you do not know of one , ~if~ you think you have better connectivity (i.e. more likely to be the 1st to see the split) than other miners ( and i suspect that each of'em thinks he has best connectivity, somehow )

asciilifeform: tho it is not necessarily evidence against it, could simply mean that 'fat miner' lost the race in that particular case to a runner-up

asciilifeform: *broadcast

asciilifeform: the 1 obv. hole in the hypothesis is that often enuff it is ~tx1~ that gets mined when tx2 is broadcase.

asciilifeform: * a tx2

asciilifeform: so tx2 gets mined ~immediately .

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906628 << to expand on this: say you issued tx1 where input i and output o1. he sees it, it goes to back of queue, as uninteresting, he does not mine it himself, but does relay to competitors. but if you also issue a and tx2, where input i and output o2, o2 != o1 , ~then~ tx2 goes to front of his queue, as by mining it he can throw caltrop to the competing miners , invalidating their chain ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform bbl:tea

asciilifeform: imho the 'machine has 9000 fonts and each 1 is a gnarly proggy for turing-complete ball of 1m+loc c turd' is quite similar to the 'american shop where 9000 brands of toothpaste and each 1 fulla corn syrop' thing

asciilifeform: iirc that's how the bolix people did it ( 2 fonts on the machine , 1 - typewriter, 1 - horiz. variable )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906605 << i entirely agree that reading human text in typewriter chars is painful. gotta point out tho , that 'truetype' monstrosity is not justified thereby, it is possible to have horizontally-variable bitmap font (simply store the # of horiz. pixels as matrix , for 'kerning' space , and otherwise same ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i suspect -- the former

asciilifeform: i dun have the mempool observatory node working yet, so am currently unable to say whether this is widespread problem or asciilifeform simply 'got lucky' errytime ☟︎