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mircea_popescu: we're just a buncha officers yes.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-07 23:18 asciilifeform: buncha kids, mostly of local party elite, seekritly sewed themselves some semblance of ss uniform, and raised swastica flag at night on city hall; then marched to cemetery and laid half a tonne of flowers on old white army graves
mircea_popescu: suppose we're all us, but we're not us in the following sense(s) : a) we're all married, in the sovok style ; b) we all have sons, about g_l's age ; c) it comes to light that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900877 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( who yes later miami, but spent good, what, 3 decades of a++ work )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do me a favour, let's go through an what-if.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. there must be a thread, uniting things to the center of the world. if there's no thread, there has to be a change. if the thread's valid but interrupted at center you have to recenter.
asciilifeform: aint the whole point of a vizier, to handle the 'i can either king or learn c++' problem ?
mircea_popescu: i can see it, "worked for stalin coincidentally, had ceased working by 70s". notwithstanding that the EXACT picture perfect rendition of said bootlick : http://trilema.com/2010/la-moartea-lui-adrian-paunescu/ (a fellow who i declared dead on trilema a week before he actuallty died, ro press "omitted to notice", by the way, a week later, when the "suprising event" occured)
mircea_popescu: there's a somewhere in the log /me explains how this all works.
mircea_popescu: and he systematically didn't understand the ~only set of dorks who belonged in jail, as a sort of public service, for re-realization.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: through my (admittedly inexpert) lens, d00d loox like archaetypical lion trainer who served up many a cookie but neglected entirely the whip
mircea_popescu: ceausescu who didn't touch pantsuitism was certainly a better deadman than the imaginary one who had.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 22:09 asciilifeform: an asciilifeform who had never touched microshit, i suspect, would be a better man than asciilifeform who did..
mircea_popescu: so yes, the principal driver behind " very little 'prophylactic' depantsuiting in his reign" (which is factual) was... very little capacity to conceptualize the pantsuitism. because of the EXACT http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901577 thought process (though he's not nearly as elegant in his thinking, nor did he have enough sense to keep a fucking blog, so as to GET this elegant.) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: The fixation on one piece of outsider media is a thing in the German Peasant tradition
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform dood was quite unsophisticated, had this very... well, fundamentally a peasant's worldview, deeply optimistic and over-inclined to fit-in-head. << Well... "Dallas"
mircea_popescu: and to him, this makes sense. "what sort of moron would you have to be, to not understand than 100`000 bakers' for 100`000 places that had no bakers' since aurelian's withdrawal is way the fuck a bigger deal than 5 homos upset because nobody is using the right zhernouns."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood was quite unsophisticated, had this very... well, fundamentally a peasant's worldview, deeply optimistic and over-inclined to fit-in-head. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (remarkably pantsuit, the fat orc, btw. synchronicity to a t, including "russian secret services!!!" wank while it was still fashionable in washington, last narrative gasp before teh dnc died.
mircea_popescu: didn't love the hippos for the special and unique snowflake of a woman they really were ~deep~ inside.
mircea_popescu: ns, to the degree of not providing them with the requisite aspirational goods to enact the pretense and 3) he was ~critical~. there's even a moment at the "meeting with the writers" where he points out that he's not really taking them seriously, but maybe one day they manage to build an intellectual system that can take his criticism.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 16:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901354 << spyked - i was thinking, 'let's make torrent', then realized that torrent is some (afaik) largely unexplored heathenware, possibly due for a civilized replacement. might be worth expanding on if anyone has free hands.
BingoBoingo going for a walk to unload this shit from the head
BingoBoingo: I have spent a lot of years reading very stupid things, but reading docs to try to distinguish IRC networks today...
trinque: never had a large IRC server, but can't imagine a lot of state in RAM per user.
mircea_popescu will stand up a muscovy server for hanbot too, let no oppinion, no matter how earnestly held or freely expressed, pass unpunished.
mircea_popescu: i happen to think this is a thing they got right (accidentally, and for purely historical reasons).
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901578 << I'll see what I can do about standing up an ircd sometime this week. It'll take a bit to lock down the conf of the thing, but eventually, if all looks good, we should be able to link up our nodes, trinque. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well, irc networks's federating's a five minutes config file settings, to list your ircd among the rest
trinque: in my case, the protocol side of the thing is decoupled from my services such that switching protocols is about a week or two of work.
mod6: For what I can see, I'm not so certain that we're married to IRC, but I suspect that our bots/loggers are a bit more closely wed to the protocol.
mod6: I could stand one up somewhere, my time is a bit limited this week. Might have some time this weekend.
mod6: I myself used to run an ircd-hybrid, but that was srsly like 20 years ago. So I'm not sure how much active knowledge I have on the subject, currently. Anyway, whatever or where ever we go, it's just a temporary place until we have gossipd.
mircea_popescu: http://irc.netsplit.de/servers/?net=IRCnet << there's a buncha live servers.
mircea_popescu: but the idea is, come up with a network by tomorrow. that work ?
mircea_popescu: anyways, imo the matter still stands. originally my idea was that phf will put up a drawing of a dwarf with a humongo hammer at the close of the 2nd chapter in the tmsr saga (as per last words of http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128287 ), but i guess instead it'll be a ... large spider ? wtf. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Rizon looked attractive from a letting people piss all over copyrasty perspective, but https://archive.is/fBL9n#selection-91.1-99.149
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun know this for a fact; maybe simply spat at the string of barf and stopped for nao
asciilifeform: hanbot: i'm with trinque on this one -- if we confine the thread to mircea_popescu's www, it will be a very slow thread. i do hope that he finds a working fleanode box to connect to in the meanwhile.
hanbot: prolly should put it in a trilema comment tho'.
asciilifeform: but would rather not suffer illusions re 'this is a step to designing gossipd'
asciilifeform: having said this, i'm all for setting up a not-fleanode . and will put relay on dulap as soon as the matter of 'which ircd' is settled.
asciilifeform: there's a severe narrowing of perspective that almost always comes from crawling around inside mine
asciilifeform: or , say, take tcp. mircea_popescu aint even a programmer, and is just about as 'clean' as a fella can get in re programming radiation damage and still have worked with comp. but it took asciilifeform 3+yrs to get him to see that tcp is -- by design -- garbage
asciilifeform: the ~damage~ ( and imho is just about as factual as radiation damage ) from being a programmer, is that familiarity with crud , leads to swallowing, and eventually you learn to live with things that by all rights no one oughta live with. witness how many people think that it is acceptable for a program to sometimes crash, for instance.
trinque: people are not this undifferentiated category. yes for students, running an ircd is a great idea, like bots or w/e else.
asciilifeform: an asciilifeform who had never touched microshit, i suspect, would be a better man than asciilifeform who did.. ☟︎
hanbot: trinque: is it like a gameserver or something?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: "most people, when faced with a problem, will not investigate the cause of the problem, but will instead want to solve it because the problem is actually in the way of something more important than figuring out why something suddenly got in their way out of nowhere. if you are a programmer, you may reach for perl at this point, and perl can remove your problem. happy, you go on, but find another problem blocking your way, r
hanbot: well...it's a large pile of strange that none of us seriously delved into. iono what's in there. do you know what's in there?
hanbot: asciilifeform, you have a very narrowly construed "explain to me what the learning benefit of X is". this is not how my life experience worked out; if it were possible to explain to the ignorant the benefits of education, education itself would work very differently from how it actually works.
hanbot: asciilifeform: i'd trust a gossipd operator that'd also operated the ircd bridge above one who hadn't, other things being comparable.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, do you mean that a person who made and ran this multi-bridge infrastructure across how many irc networks has gained no useful knowledge for running a gossipd-based service?
diana_coman: what the troubles are in practice; note that I'm not talking about "bake glue" but rather a full run servers
diana_coman: at any rate, the move + multi-network wrapper approach seems to me like an excellent way for one to learn and be in a prime position for gossipd really
BingoBoingo: Alarm's been tripped. Warning light stays lit until every Buckingham Palace occupant takes a traffic cone up the ass.
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : i'm also not 100% convinced that the proposed multi-network thing is actually less of a nut to crack than adult gossipd. ( consider, how wouldja do authentication ? the extant ircd's support either '~nuffin, anyone can hijack session' or ssltardism . )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 06:10 trinque: on second thought, lets not go to efnet. 'tis a silly place.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901514 -> I'm for moving; the only reason for staying was being busy with tending to other fires that burnt worse but freenode seems to be burning worse and worse lately anyway; a multi-network bridge sounds best in my opinion but I don't really know how much work needs to be put in to get that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
asciilifeform: hey phf do you know of a cl ircd ?
asciilifeform: last time this came up , asciilifeform went on a dig of 'what ircd', and found (surprise!1111) MB of c liquishit
asciilifeform: really oughta spread across a minimum of 3 geographically separate racks, before troo move , imho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ( in linked thrd ) dug up a coupla possible 'wheres'. but imho oughta begin with gluing together small net ( with boxen in piz ~and elsewhere~ ) and ~then~ bridge it to public nets.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:08 asciilifeform: this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
asciilifeform: a
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Followed a link from Trilema, decided to make a note for future reference http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/
BingoBoingo: "El impacto fue registrado por las cámaras de seguridad" << It is a great shame that video isn't out yet
asciilifeform: PeterL: you won't see a parallelism bug , by definition, with ~1~ thread ; but to say just about anyffin else about'em, is difficult.
trinque: didn't say forgive. more a comment on whether the mind dwells on a missed opportunity to strike yesterday than on striking today.
nicoleci: its been a pleasure transcribing them. really wish it was something they speak on in us schools, instead of trying to teach the periodic table by a song but w/e.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 19:49 asciilifeform: so presently i cannot think of a scenario where i'd want to reopen the case of gcd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cacatu de pe bec', that was a mega-piece, i recall
asciilifeform: a aaa
mircea_popescu: djb was just some manalone. perhaps more talented than most, but manalone is manalone, like a very talented chimp. howsoever talented, the chimp's not a person.
mircea_popescu: this is a huge fucking difference, at least in my eyes.
mircea_popescu: there's this pic of some indistinct slut i posted once i'm too lazy to retrieve. she happens to be white, sports all manner of celtic cross tattoos, stylisized "SS" etc, is taking a coupla brown dicks. ☟︎
asciilifeform: cohen otoh began as a nobody and finished same.
asciilifeform: this is because a n-bit gcd (as appears in ch15 ffa) is simply 2n n-bit subtractions, 4n n-bit shifts, 2n n-bit muxes, plus some small change.
asciilifeform: so presently i cannot think of a scenario where i'd want to reopen the case of gcd. ☟︎
asciilifeform: constanttimeized stein's o(n^2) gcd ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2963 ) is not only imho fast enuff (even a magical 100fold speedup in it, would not affect speed of rsa key gen measurably , consider above ) but fits-in-head and has no error terms.
bvt: iirc the c-t version of algorithm comes later - around section 5. there is a formula for calculating upper bound of iterations, but I did not check his math.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 09:28 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899820 << will have a look at mes; so far potential deadline -- next weekend.
bvt: also, i did not forgot about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-01#1899904 , but had too little time to investigate it properly; will try to do tests over this week and do a writeup on the weekend ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901354 << spyked - i was thinking, 'let's make torrent', then realized that torrent is some (afaik) largely unexplored heathenware, possibly due for a civilized replacement. might be worth expanding on if anyone has free hands. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 10:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 17:13 asciilifeform: afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900648 -> ftr asciilifeform you were right here; it was a server dep (crystal space) that was bringing in the non-sjljistic libs ☝︎
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, in short, the keccak spec in its current form really since it considers input at bit-level and then goes on to mess about with some assumptions at bit-level and some at octet-level and making a lot of confusion without any good reason e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/08/eucrypt-chapter-9-byte-order-and-bit-disorder-in-keccak/#selection-55.383-63.563 ; one needs to disentangle that and put it in octet-only shape, octet stre ☟︎☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901047 <-- sounds reasonable; I've set it to redirect to a notice, at worst people will ask here if they're confused. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: So in trends, the neon nazis shifted to memeing against Trump in favor of a candidate promising 1000 "dollars" a month
bvt: correct, it was a liveusb system
mod6: I've looked at the genesis.vpatch that was genereated ( http://www.mod6.net/cuntoo-blog-2/nomods.genesis.vpatch ), and at first glance I don't see these files in their paths. (even if I remove the preceeding 'a/').
bvt: ('denver' is arm at frontend and vliw inside, dynamic jit tries to continuously improve translation: if you have a loop, the 1st, 100th and 1000th loop iterations can execute totally different vliw code)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 22:40 asciilifeform: when you build 1 of these things, there's a set of decisions that end up determining shape of whole thing; and it so happens that intel made ~all~ of the most retarded possible choices.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: btw, bvt , rax etc. ~are~ encoded as 1-8, the iron dun see reg names at all, the classic names are a convention of the asmers and the vendor docs. and imho remains on acct of the asinine x86isms like MUL which use fixed input and output regs, makes'em slightly easier to remember.
diana_coman: what, a number attached?
mircea_popescu: as a universal c-string / charbuffer replacement.
mircea_popescu: i really do not wish to see c strings, and i don't perceive char buffer to be different. "bitstream" does not exist. so my thinking is, to henceforth mandate datapassing as such a field.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, apparently it expects to be called with a bitstream, which is a peculiarly inconvenient datastruct in practice.