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mod6: !~later tell jurov Please to ping me as soon as you get a chance.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783544 << fwiw I will certainly purchase/use a bbisp vps as well. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: the equation, it pencils out over here as well.
diana_coman: yes, how big is not a head count strictly of course; put it as how powerful if that is clearer ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( if we have 5 people who each want 3 boxes, is just as good as if we have 3 who each want 5 )
diana_coman: in other words this can be put as: tmsr's l1 atm is not big enough yet to support an isp of its own ☟︎
diana_coman: I think it can sell enough to l1(+l2 perhaps) but I haven't run the numbers etc (because I'm already juggling lots as it is)
diana_coman: iirc there were some vps ran by l1, what; as sandboxes if nothing else
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps) ☟︎
diana_coman: phf I think what is actually shutting down the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing to take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as to what operation there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at the location
BingoBoingo: ave1: At this point the journey to here is documented in existing blog posts, there is no harm in collecting that data into a single larger post for the convenience not only of people who might be considering taking on this particular effort, but for those who may want to undertake their own as well.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783475 << this is not that clear to me. what i've penciled out is that there are some ~1.8kusd monthly of rack rental buy side floating around, and mircea_popescu's plan as i understand it was to build and rent vpsen to get to breakeven, which still needs someone in teh forums hawking vps ☝︎
mod6: So, indeed, I think we all want to see the ISP idea work. But after this entire snafu, I'm still confused as to what went wrong here. The foundation's plan here was in motion to bring machines there directly. Because of the ugly possible VAT or dissappearing of boxes themselves.
BingoBoingo to shut up for a bit and compile as much of the ave1 requested material together into a blog and explore the possibility of making arrangements for a Dentist to follow the BingoBoingo camp to old country.
lobbes: I'm a regular poorfag, but fuck, what is it FOOD for BingoBoingo that is standing in the way in alf's calcs? If that's what it takes I can throw a months worth of food in btc to bb as a one-time gift.  (Though I think issue was longterm coin-to-food conveyor)
hanbot: i suppose the amount of time it's taken to get to this point while the same death knell was present makes it easy to imagine things could just continue as they are, but i tell you that seems pretty dangerous.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783361 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783391 << Another option with these in mind involves alf not feeding BingoBoingo indefinitely as an expense, considers locating self here after a visit to take the temperature of the monkeys. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: think of it as a tower defense game, cuz it's exactly the only model the imbecile spawn of esltarded women even have. that's ALL the business, strategy, everything.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can add that to the list, by the way. a tendency to take what you hear as "what is" dun work irl! you know what i mean ? just cuz some chick said it from behind a desk dun make it worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, the result of that isn't taken as "this is reality". the result of that is judged and its shortcomings fixed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that said there's nothing wrong with applying for some, as a political choice.
mircea_popescu: that's the skill involved here : reality consists of endless matrices, that for any practical purpose have to be heuristically collapsed, as they can't actually be calculated.
mircea_popescu has long suspected meditation is not nearly as useful as practitioners credit it to be. like is the case with all arts.
asciilifeform: as i understand this is not yet a solved problem.
BingoBoingo: instructions. BingoBoingo is offered some sort of incentive structure to remain in Montevideo for more time as hired hand rather than equity figure. On the plus side for alf, if he brings his own foreign corp with bank he has vehicle for making payments.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ? << The deal with mircea_popescu was mircea_popescu bankrolls BingoBoingo builds isp for BingoBoingo with mircea_popescu as honored investor. For asciilifeform or whoever else may take an interest in taking over, the deal that interests me is BingoBoingo remains in Montevideo to help asciilifeform/alfteam/etc build themselves an isp taking clear
asciilifeform: ( we already have FG customers on the record as having paid similar amt for border taxes as for device itself )
asciilifeform: 12 incidentally is arbitrary number, they could just as readily be installed 'on-demand', N machines at a time (where N is determined by the type of transportation used)
asciilifeform: now the cost of filling 12 rack slots with as much cpu horse as they can hold, (using asciilifeform's method, rather than mircea_popescu's, if not clear from context) would be such : 32 cores of opteron @ 3GHz, 256GB ram, 1TB durable ssd, comes to 1600 per 1U machine; no more than 4 machines can travel in a cargo carried by a 1300 two-way ticket
diana_coman: as that's the trouble in the first place
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 17:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way)
diana_coman: on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782802 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782813 <- the more I think about this the more it seems to me that there is no point for bit-level extraction from state either; basically if bit notion doesn't make sense then why have it at extraction anyway; I think the choices would be 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2; as to the bit order for the output at the end of the day that is a convention too so it needs only to ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: It is why I am inclined for alf to solicit pete_dushenski or another more experienced manager as either a consultant or partner if he is interested in taking over.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if as a kid you ever did those things where "oh, if i had time machine, what'd i carry into past to be rich" a la http://trilema.com/2012/the-seven-pillars/ say, but this is just about exactly that. space is time, you know.
mircea_popescu: the economic value of the item as it stands would be about .80 ; i'd take that in cash today.
BingoBoingo: As fucking disappointing as the locals are, I still prefer being off the reservation. If asciilifeform can promise the fuel to continue Hostel + Desk + $20 daily per diem to not starve... BingoBoingo is going to take time and think himself... After blogging the other pics from the yesterday walk.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not opposed to taking alfdebt in favor of mircea_popescu debt minding that the mircea_popescu debt comes first unless alf makes other arrangements with mircea_popescu. And also that a substantial part of the +EV involves BingoBoingo does things alf will find very disgusting to a few boxes in order to sell shared hosting. Think of how alf directed venture with PCengines 8 to the 1U as opposed to VPS for small
mircea_popescu: i know there's this generalized habit to believe one's "in charge" of "himself" and may permit or not permit reality into his autism bubble as he sees fit and with no further consequences than whatever he may deign to allow, such magic powers being the absolute minimum bar for a special person quite as superbly special as those bred of postmodernity.
trinque: she must be the walmart version of that as he is the turd-stain on the whitey-tighties of his
mircea_popescu: i'm confused as whether this is the groped staffer to the anti-groping campaigner or the chin-plower sex service dollie to the tan-haired first american or which
trinque allocates his outrage as best he can, comes up short
BingoBoingo: As I put this post togther the one redeeming though that keeps floating to the top of my mind is that this place is small enough that if The Republic is going to start subjugating, this is a rather small and defenseless sandbox to practice on.
mircea_popescu: the very definition of an orc, this. one who can subsist on pantsuit diet, one who is satisfied with facebook for his culture and with dellenovo for his hardware and with the http://trilema.com/2018/best-of-fetlife-such-as-it-is/ girlies for his amorous needs and so on. that's what an orc is, what the fuck else would it be.
mircea_popescu: but, for your own notes as well as for the strengthening of the public record, let me point out that the line "well mp... i have my doubts about the feasibility of the plan here ; casual inspection of the local orc bazaars pompously bestowing upon themselves the unearned monicker of 'computer hardware shops' resulted in a grand total of ONE identified rack, for instance." properly belonged in the ~very first week~ of your str
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 21:13 lobbes: and yeah, I overlooked that I apparently had to also remove expiration on the sub -explicitly- (via gpg --edit-key). Even though it was showing the sub as 'expiration: none' after I had removed expiration on the pub way back when
pete_dushenski: hopefully one of these loser pubkeys works, but if not i've made a new 4096 bit key to act as back-up/replacement. lemme know and thx again
asciilifeform: shinohai: as for the particular crackpottery in your link, see earlier instance http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621306 of ~same thing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 14:58 asciilifeform: 'Boneh, in joint work with Matt Franklin, constructed a novel pairing-based method for identity-based encryption (IBE), whereby a user's public identity, such as an email address, can function as the user's public key. Since then, Boneh's contributions, together with those of others, have shown the power and versatility of pairings, which are now used as a mainstream tool in cryptography. The transfer of pairings from theory t
pete_dushenski: pretty much. 4 years was 4x as long as i'd held a btc in my own wallet. seemed like the world was spinning at a million miles a minute for all i knew pgp keys were as disposable as btc addresses
pete_dushenski: hm. so as not to flail further, how do i update my pubkey ? trinque ?
deedbot: E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD is already registered as pete_dushenski.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the only possible moves here seem to be a) phf see if the airline is willing to take a ~100 kgs as cargo ; b) BingoBoingo DO THE RESEARCH tonight, as to b.1) EXACTLY, ~absolutely~ exactly what parts do you actually need and b.2) list of places you could conceivably get it at there, whatever shops. then tomorrow starting 8am you go check all of those. no words, be shown the physical item.
ben_vulpes: phf: what's involved in "transporting as cargo"?
mircea_popescu: even if sane chassis were to be found, you can't find weightless power supplies (why exactly the rack provides 220V rather than directly rail is a question for another time ; and why this was't raised as a point at any previous time.) and there's simply no way i can have phf drag 50+ kgs of ~worthless parts across the oceans.
mircea_popescu: if they weren't dropped on their heads as children...
mircea_popescu: anyway BingoBoingo do not omit to point to the monkeys that they're now the laughingstock of the internet as the ~only "datacenter" in the world that doesn't have enough sense to stock a pile of mounts for the customers.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 22:56 phf: so there's two points here, one is that you're opening yourself up for extortion commonly known as "valet service"
mircea_popescu: phf what's your guess as to your weight limit ? 20 ? 30 ? 50 ?
mircea_popescu: "“Walking into a building should not be any different based on income status,” Ms. Glen said in an interview." << inept pantsuit wank. the only way poor people walk into a human building is as long as they're female, before their 30th birthday and if they have enough sense not to put clothes on. what the everloving fuck is this, they're people now, the poor fucks ?!
trinque: overcharged by 200/mo as per my own casual probing
phf: so there's two points here, one is that you're opening yourself up for extortion commonly known as "valet service" ☟︎
phf: i'm not sure what the thinking is, but they can't really do anything that you can't do, as far as importing hardware. literally they'll have to do all the same steps + potentially navigating local import specifics
ben_vulpes: how about this us stock market blowoff: 9% loss in less than a month! stocks clearly too volatile to be worth anything as grownup investments.
phf: as in a kind of mindless high fantasy soap opera
ben_vulpes: i was infected by that one as an actual child
ben_vulpes: and just to purge the queue, also read the last few books in the robert jordan and friends and children series and yup it ends exactly as you'd imagine good guys win bad guys get locked up for another eternity until the cycle starts all over again millenia hence
ben_vulpes: (given as my life is so very pedestrian probably)
ben_vulpes: as in actually homoerotic; with gay brotherly incest thrown in to boot
ben_vulpes: dude i just reread hyperion and fall of endymion too for the first time as an adult
ben_vulpes: subj. of 60s/70s fiction, /me rereading zelazny's chronicles of amber for the first time in over a decade. did not age as poorly as i expected.
phf: "For the past several years, we've moved toward a more secure web by strongly advocating that sites adopt HTTPS encryption. And within the last year, we've also helped users understand that HTTP sites are not secure by gradually marking a larger subset of HTTP pages as "not secure". Beginning in July 2018 with the release of Chrome 68, Chrome will mark all HTTP sites as "not secure"."
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i would also like to fill up with disks the 2 boxes that were made for mircea_popescu . but it would work just as well to fill them up on BB end , if other people are sending disks, when mircea_popescu feels like filling them )
mircea_popescu: phf dja see basic problems with the plan as is, taking a dozen sets over ?
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, as many other things before, keccak turned out to be yet another sort of ...problem before it can be of any use
asciilifeform: ( nor of pictures of food. though as a child i enjoyed those. )
mircea_popescu: infuriating as all hell, i grant you, but then again such has been missionary work since 1492.
shinohai: Misleading as well, they actually support anti-suicide efforts.
mircea_popescu: aik, does the whole swarm thing where the whole beach is moving with tiny turtles, whereas i thought this was a single nest event, as there were what, a dozen or two all within a few meters of each other.
mircea_popescu: so : there are four types of sea turtle known in costa rica. 1. eretmochelys imbricata, besides being VERY rare (critically endangered, too) has a beak, which the little guy lacks ; 2. chelonia mydas as far as anyone knows lives in tortuguero natl park, which is on the wrong side of the country (limon, vs this was if memory serves some miles down from jaco) ; 3. lepidochelis olivacea, besides not looking anything like that af
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as a child i imagined that caterpillars grow linearly thicker, heavier, moar revolting, as you go towards equator, and there they would be python-sized
diana_coman: caterpiller though ughhhhh; I have seen real fat, oozy, ugly ones several summers as a child; horrible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any idea of which species of turtle it is ? what's it look like as adult ?
mircea_popescu: the world can now spin as she's done her part, and all anyone could ever demand of her.
ave1: hanbot: it looks ugly, but as the pics are in tar files, you could still unpack these and have them back.
mircea_popescu: i just dun want you to get the impression your work's not really wanted or anything of the kind. as is perhaps very evident we have a massive shortage of human capital in teh republic, and it's been worsening over the years.
ave1: No it's not, as hanbot still had some problems with the embedded in svg images, if I read correctly.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/best-of-fetlife-such-as-it-is/ << Trilema - Best of Fetlife (such as it is)
mircea_popescu: nor is there some kind of historical or cultural component to it, as teh little clitlers appear to imply.
danielpbarron: i can do some as well
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782127 << been catching fragments. anything i can help with as far as ordering ? ☝︎
trinque: riptide got me as a kid, actually felt like kind of a little badass when I came out of it
mircea_popescu: well, broken as in no longer working, not as in fragmented bones.
BingoBoingo: In this hall, as per the post and previous mentions in the logs cooling comes from the monster chillers in the aisles. More specifically these guys https://www.vertivco.com/en-us/products-catalog/thermal-management/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv-in-row-cooling-system-19-40kw/
mod6: BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/mayoman-squeals-as-buterins-waterfall-weakens/ << Qntra - Mayoman Squeals As Buterin's Waterfall Weakens
asciilifeform: nao if he intends to overclock ~the memory~ ( konsoomer, ddr3 or even -4 , as i understand, non-ecc... ) , then the gods themselves...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782376 << lulzily enuff, it so happens that asciilifeform has, in actual life, racked variously overclocked konsoomer boxen, for industrial use. (and did not even, as might be the naive expectation, 'live to regret it!11' : in the ~particular~ application , it worked.) but asciilifeform is not in the spamming biznis; will not attempt to feed his advice down the throats of folx who specifically do no ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782342 << kinda the idea, if i bother to send a librarian over to orcistan to start an isp, ima just as well challenge established belief. it's just sane business management. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: not to say we won't rack old school disks someone ships ; but i think that's about as far as that goes.