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mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fresh blood you (and trinque ) pumped in trb ecosystem made a lot of secondary nodes gain lots of speed too.
asciilifeform: in related noose, zoolag covered ~20k blox in 4days. and looks set to fully sync by tomorrow morning.
asciilifeform: that's even worse. if my nodes were failing to give EACH OTHER their best known blocks, i'd skin'em alive until found why
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 15:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759179 << when i use it, i mean that my foremost node is ahead by delta. ☝︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in an apparent imitation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749817 : http://destery.info/cidal/mpex-bitcoin-nupe.php <<< aaaaand, very similarly, returns ENTIRELY different turd to archive.is. orig. screenshitted, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpex_flavoured_spamola.jpg for posterity. ☝︎
shinohai: http://archive.is/EwgIC <<< US must wire $5000 via western union before the sale can proceed tho ☟︎
shinohai: For BingoBoingo, lest he forget the lulz of his tierra nativo http://archive.is/UYlRg
lobbes: but so it goes, those on that ship will 'unhappen' into their watery grave
lobbes: <asciilifeform> [19:42:10] in other vintage heathen lulz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin apparently. << "Before disappearing from any involvement in bitcoin, Nakamoto in a sense handed over the reins to developer Gavin Andresen" lol, didjaknow?
phf: hmm, dis ircii keeps losing connection and then not telling me anything. this like some girlfriend shit
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing what ain't in there, lol ☟︎
asciilifeform: !!up toohigh
phf: i'll definitely document it though, because the process is arcane, and not at all automated. ☟︎
phf: relatedly, i managed to get latest version (jan 2014) version to produce a dvi out of tex.tex from first principles. i used someone else's port to gnu pascal
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: ever seen this photo : https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/0/6/6/5346660.jpg ?
phf: knuth managed to do a lot to keep tex what it is, given that he's essentially a pacifist academic. there aren't many other examples (common lisp, ada) where preservation has been taken to this extreme.
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: the art of 'drowning like a gentleman', i.e. to behave honourably and with grace in the face of certain defeat, death, obscurity -- is largely lost in modern folx
phf: asciilifeform: well, be that lamport, or someone else, the memo wasn't missed, but made to disappear through consensus. everyone knows that there's only one TeX, but of course "modern" "tex" is latex with luatex engine, etc. etc.
BigTexasBingo: Not much to do then except present carrot/stick/africa trilemma
asciilifeform: afaik knuth did not grow any , at least none such that would suffer from the delusion that they are fit to succeed him
asciilifeform: hunger is motivator for the young, who have good battery charge
asciilifeform: BigTexasBingo: to old folx, hunger is not motivator for action, but for depression/death and, often, quisling
asciilifeform: phf: apparently lamport missed this memo
BigTexasBingo: When I consider what the next right thing is, hambre or the threat thereof provides motivation to not be stupid and Windows
phf: asciilifeform: he did though, by making it very explicit that there can't be a successor.
BigTexasBingo: Anyways knuth problem seems insufficient threat of hambre
asciilifeform: at the very least could've emphasized the absence of a successor.
asciilifeform: phf: right. i did not say that his problem was readily solvable. but it remains -- problem.
phf: well, really, the problem has been discussed here many times, that you can't tmsr without wot. "successor" is just a special case of that, which, again, lacking mechanisms, is likewise lacking
asciilifeform: the problem of trying to be 'millenarian' with earthling human lifespan...
phf: we'll he's a millenarian, he's primarily documenting the fundamental findings of computer science
asciilifeform: entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: which was a going concern in '70s-'80s, while today it is a '70-'80s memory, strictly
asciilifeform: phf: given specifically as i do not know the man -- all i'm left with is 'the mathematics for which he was famous'
asciilifeform: ( and i gotta wonder whether lamport himself was an active perpetrator, or passive victim similar to knuth himself, when the 3GB of liquishit began to form ) ☟︎
phf: it's hard to say how much knuth changed over years, without knowing the man, and i don't think "for which knuth is famous" is any kind of measure. he's certainly gotten old, but i think he might also be constituionally incapable of participating in a consensus. ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc knuth showed first sign of fatal weakness when he failed to put up resistance against what the latex people had done.
asciilifeform: i dun see any fundamental reason why it ~could not~ exist. but also dun see any signs that it in fact does.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 04:34 asciilifeform: rmans really got to England my acquaintance of the Cafe Royal would soon have found his painting deteriorating, even if the Gestapo had let him alone. And when the lid is taken off Europe, I believe one of the things that will surprise us will be to find how little worthwhile writing of any kind -- even such things as diaries, for instance -- has been produced in secret under the dictators.'
asciilifeform: ( see also the not wholly-irrelevant http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455456 item ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'll point out that everything for which knuth is famous, was done before senility and macdows
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that this disconnect, 'can use ipad but still do honest mathematics', doesn't show any serious symptoms of existing
phf: but to answer the question, i think i don't particularly mind the subtrate. man does computations, i wouldn't be too concerned if he were to switch to ipad even, because he'd still be hand writing algorithms with a certain detachment to the concerns of extras ☟︎
asciilifeform: but gotta say, there is not so much distance left, to winblowz.
phf: he was using unix up until early 2000s, and then switched to mac (i think for old people reasons)
asciilifeform: in all fairness i can't recall how i came to think that he did.
phf: he did? i thought he uses mac, he posted his keyboard layouts
asciilifeform: but heart did not break then ? why not? i'm curious
asciilifeform: hey he also switched to winblowz
phf: early tex papers knuth talks about putting this or that formula into macsyma, but then from some point he fully switches to mathematica. breaks me heart
a111: Logged on 2015-04-09 21:21 ascii_field: anyway, i happen to know more than a reasonable man ought to, about wolframism
asciilifeform: wolfram surely deserves whipping post regardless. ( he is to be counted, imho, right up there with the greatest american charlatans, with josephsmith, edison, gates, et al )
asciilifeform: 'did you mean to search for 'lipstick' instead?? we're gonna search for lipstick instead!'
asciilifeform: this type of 'helpfulness' is pestilential nao
phf: ircii questions are also by the way impossible to search for. no way to tell either google or ddg to not be helpful and also mirc, irssi, etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: dunno, all of the artifacts i recall from those days, made it easier for operator to avoid this accidental bankruptcy , not harder.
phf: i suspect ircii simply predates usability. back when men counted each character, because bell telephone company metered bauds ☟︎
asciilifeform: somehow, on their planet this is considered acceptable. ☟︎
asciilifeform: specifically thinking of the crapple ones (e.g. 'palaver')
asciilifeform: oohyea the worst of the worst, will neither warn nor split, they swallow
phf: the other thing that i wanted to do is add xref for those inline quotes `phf: asciilifeform: grrrrr ... << kek` that people like to do
phf: well, i'm thinking illumination, which has been sop for btcbase, but yes, since split happens on client anyway (i'm using ircii right now, and it annoyingly doesn't warn OR split)
asciilifeform: ( with each other, and with naive logs that everybody keeps on own hdd )
asciilifeform: elaborately diddling logs is not The Right Thing. for one thing, it will cause logtrons to fall out of sync.
asciilifeform: phf: imho more correct pill would be to patch e.g. znc. or better still, the client, to warn of splits
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759185 << i sometimes wonder if there's some clever way to link back split posts (i mean in cases where urls are lost, perhaps by looking at cases where 250 byte message, followed by same person within ~~<3s or somesuch) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: congrats to PeterL, the first (and currently only) ch4 graduate.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf: 3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.peterl.sig . ty
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf: 1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch2_logicals.vpatch.peterl.sig 2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch3_shifts.vpatch.peterl.sig
asciilifeform shakes out last crumbs from spam trap, bolts it back into place
asciilifeform: in other lulzy backlinx from asciilifeform's www, http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2944&p=57778#p57778 << 6502 enthusiasts , presumably some were not awake in the '80s-'90s , try to rederive carry-bit formula. d00d links asciilifeform's. which is hilarious because on what, do you suppose, asciilifeform originally studied...
asciilifeform: don't be the fisherman who, say, 'i washed my hands after shitting and that day caught no fish, i think i'ma not ever again wash hands' etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sea is rich ; but the fisherman's stuck playing a loser game.
asciilifeform: i get it, in the 'organic' system that is a live p2p net, proper controlled experiments are quite impossible. this however does NOT mean that one oughta freely give in to urge to climb back up the tree, becoming a monkey again, and think in voodoo criteria. even if the circumstances heavily encourage this , by failing to reward rational thought ( see mircea_popescu's thread with the italian fishermen !! , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-
asciilifeform: so that questions like 'did it even have net access for that week', to 'has it ASKED anyone for the next block, or just sat there with mouth open? ' and 'did anyone ANSWER, when asked, or just shat forth mempool crapola and bastards 50 blox ahead' can be answered.
asciilifeform: if, alternatively, it meant 'my block height hasn't moved for a week', again should be specific, SAY that, and post yer log
asciilifeform: ... and also say what happened when you try and plug yer node into this or that 'un-behind' one.
asciilifeform: if what is meant is 'i looked on shitchain.info and saw a higher number than from my getinfo' should SAY that.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al : i think it is worth elaborating what it means when saying 'my node is behind N blox'. what it means, if spoken properly, is that you know of some node, somewhere, that appears to have moarblox than yours. focus should be on 'did my node ask it for nextblock? what, if anything, did it answer? why ?' rather than the quite uselessly unspecific 'mah nodez are behind!111' ☟︎
deedbot: 2017/12/22 02:03:16 <esthlos> BingoBoingo: yes, I think it's time for that
deedbot: diana_coman rated esthlos 1 << He seems to really want to learn.
asciilifeform: as for nodes at the 'tip', the path of chinesium through layers of prb is a lottery, and i suspect that attempting to measure the effect of a trb patch on said behaviour is doomed to astrologize over noise
asciilifeform: the old behaviour was indefensibly insane, wtf, why is boot time 'special', for fuck's sake.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 05:36 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759152 << not up to 'tip' yet. it did walk 3000+ blox in the night, however. which before patch sometimes took week+. ☝︎
BingoBoingo very much enjoying the Lode lulz
BingoBoingo: The accountant is giving me the expectation the the process of transforming my self into a business will compelete this week allowing bank access to follow soon after.
BingoBoingo: Later today still more intense language and cultural immersion scheduled.
BingoBoingo: Ah, such a gloriously obvious pattern emerges. Waterfalls when the banks are closed. Turns out the speed of the crashing is limited to a somewhat sane pace by the difficulty of getting rid of non-ecu fiat takens
mircea_popescu taking off on a little trip, cya all manana.
mircea_popescu: o the fuck he is!!! ie, the world's heavyweight champion. ayer explained that he's the ex wykeham professor of logic, and since they're both pre-eminent in their respective fields, how about they indulge in discourse rather than intercourse. oddly enough tyson accepted, and naomi campbell slipped out -- apparently undamaged enough by the experience to actually do those not-even-terrible shots with madonna. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: aaand in other humanities : a. j. ayer was once in the livingroom of one fernando sanchez on west 57th st, hanging out with a buncha young hussies/models when one girl came arunnin' complaining that her friend was being assaulted in the bedroom. ayer went in, where he found mike tyson atop an obscure south london model. when the (at the time 70yo) oxford professor asked him to quit it, mike tyson wanted to know if he knows wh ☟︎
ben_vulpes: gonna have to revert and watch, or provision a mess of boxen
trinque: ben_vulpes: huh, meanwhile node.deedbot.org is topped up without aggression and without 50400 setvernum.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: let me know if your aggression patch was enough to stay at the tip of the chain, as it wasn't for my node. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes ; was just a place to put it really.
trinque: if an automatic manifest comprised of hashes of all items in project, it reduces to the $concatHashBefore and $concatHashAfter