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asciilifeform: i dunno re mcd, but specifically recall a protracted litigation-wank re who gets to claim to sell 'chocolate' in the reich
mp_en_viaje: i might've been talking out of ass!
asciilifeform: it does?! ( i thought they carefully avoid making any such concrete claim.. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: boeing claims ada in 7xx series. but i have no means to verify .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re 'avionics people' -- tried as i might, found only the hole, but not the fossil. ( ~somebody~ pressed for the lang standard to have the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-349.0-1150.0 knobs. but who? and where used ? i do not know to this day )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:37 diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names
BingoBoingo: Ever since the mundial I've been shitting on the French with the locals here.
asciilifeform: possibly, i haven't looked inside post-obummer paris..
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:26 asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm" ☟︎
asciilifeform: if indeed so, i suppose it's a good job that we forked it before it got 'found'
asciilifeform: there is?! (since when?? i -- mercifully -- apparently missed)
diana_coman: perhaps; fwiw I think there's a rather funny rush to "find" Ada.
diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names ☟︎
diana_coman: ah, yes, that I looked at in the very beginning but tbh it still didn't help much and it was still simply Barnes' book I needed mostly.
asciilifeform: this is where i confess that asciilifeform is not currently tuned in realtime to #e news, does not know what, if anyffin, the players have birthed
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate re euloratron, but as i recall the 'problem', such as there was, lives mostly in the 100MB+ of cpp legacy ???
diana_coman: this guy is the first that doesn't quite seem "c++ in ada" really i.e. he seems more focused on Ada for the right reasons; I suspect more the windows-based trouble as it were.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it. ☟︎
diana_coman: and yes, it's certainly precisely the case that copious heapisms, pointerisms etc - the reason for it being as far as I can see quite obvious too: no sweating from 1st principles, much easier that way, sure
diana_coman: but I get what you mean
diana_coman: as I'm coming from a few years already of reading and wrestling planeshift code, I can't say it'll be reading heathen Ada that would cost me time, lol.
asciilifeform: so i had to sweat it out from first principles.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so far i've found that reading heathen ada examples ~cost~ me time, rather than saved, and put into my head things that later had to laboriously pump out. and the zip fella is no exception.
diana_coman: anyway, the ini files is a tidbit really; that was the entry point but since I saw afterwards all the www-oriented parts I got curious
diana_coman: as I said earlier: I don't think it *has to*; but he clearly doesn't have a problem with it and so he uses it; there are quite a few things grating, yes;
asciilifeform: re config txt parsers, i dun grasp why it would need heapism, rather than simple http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L99 -style offsets into the read-only text
diana_coman: from there I had a look at his zip ada and the rest
diana_coman: I saw that he has supposedly even an Ada browser but when I tried to get the sources it seems I got some incomplete/windows-dev thing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm quite skeptical re the 'unavoidable' of the use of unboundeds and pointerisms (in re the latter, outside of unix api glue) in the general case, tho
asciilifeform: diana_coman: he's where i lifted the 'gnathtml' coad-to-www method thing. but i never had any occasion to use his zip lib in the field
diana_coman: the code I saw so far is quite readable and self-contained so all surprisingly good there but it's true that he still uses all sorts including unbounded strings and pointers where I'm not sure it's really unavoidable
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 - as I found this only now when I stumbled upon Montmollin's various lib and had (for once!) a rather pleasant surprise: asciilifeform did you actually review any of his code? ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: well, i guess that's all for now, catch'yall laters!
mp_en_viaje: http://i.imgur.com/RA4xaxt.gif for futureference.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know, one of those hard, time consuming things women do to look like i like them to.
mp_en_viaje: yeah i got confuseled.
mp_en_viaje: oh i see
asciilifeform: odd, i did rate him
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 23:57 OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing, as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907689 << well, i'm around. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 17:48 asciilifeform: ~that~ is how sane folx build irons. and not idjit intel's 'i'ma happily execute this random pile o'bits as a cpu instruction anytime' nonsense.
phf: i made a mistake of trying to rewrite url highlight in term of message annotations. the later is the mechanism i use for xref and such, and it scans the entire message corpus once, where's url highlight right now is done on each rerender.
asciilifeform: OriansJ: if you read today's log and genuinely found 0 to say, i cannot fathom what sorta 'mutually beneficial cooperation' you had in mind .
OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing, as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: When I did my last ratings cleanup there was a lot of "Who dat?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 12:19 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907247 << i confess the wikilinks irritated me also.
asciilifeform: ~that~ is how sane folx build irons. and not idjit intel's 'i'ma happily execute this random pile o'bits as a cpu instruction anytime' nonsense. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and currently i suspect that there's 'majority' logic in the PALs, also , tho as of yet cannot say where )
asciilifeform: 1st time i booted up that 'ivory' bolix, it actually listed a coupla 'and here ecc triggered, corrected x to y' when revving up
asciilifeform: i would not classify this as 'clever attack'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dram ( at least such as sold as 'ddr3' and above ) is actually a scam, i.e. 'works unless the access pattern revisits $row 'too often' ) , this is moar of a shoddy konsoomer rubbish masquerading as deterministic component than an 'attack'
asciilifeform: i.e. 2 analogue and 1 deterministic
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i say that vlsi circuit whose functionality cannot be established optically, is intrinsically 'tower of shit' just like e.g. linux kernel.
asciilifeform: i say that this is roughly equivalent to 'enemy will sell you a pen that writes gavin's pubkey if you sit down and try to write mp_en_viaje's '
mp_en_viaje: i am not equipped to evaluate the geometry of a leverage of tower of shit.
mp_en_viaje: i'll give you an example if you promise to not focus on the example.
asciilifeform: i.e. where the part is for all purposes a working one, except in specific condition known to enemy apriori
mp_en_viaje: the problem remains though -- yes, perhaps in the formulation of "hide it i nfabric", the deeply imperial nature of X Y Z may be irrelevant. nevertheless,
mp_en_viaje: you know the joke about the guy who thought "the more places i have to hide this alarm clock in, the better chances to escape with it" ? "what if it rings ?"
asciilifeform: item was re 'what computing device offers least room in which to hide a mine when you buy it from enemy'. asciilifeform contends that the moar homogeneous the fabric, the moar difficult to interestingly hide a useful mine. i.e. if you wanted to sell the victim an sram that replaces e.g. mp_en_viaje's pubkey with gavin's whenever it is loaded therein, the resulting device will look quite diff even on optical microscope (not even speak
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 15:03 asciilifeform: and what's moar, i've seen ~same nonsense pop up again an' again. 'we'll describe how satellite is launched , for audience of 8 y.o., this will SURELY put us closer to actually launching one' etc
asciilifeform: i'ma see if it can be tamped into 20m, lol
mp_en_viaje: though we're on the 4th cup at this table... i guess if it runs long ima invoice you for nicole's coffeegreed
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907441 << i'ma come back to this some time we both have a whole hour, it deserves own thrd ( and possibly -- article )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907539 << i got an hourish ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i think i barfed at "nUxi", which is not, properly speaking, any particular endianism but the necessary and equivalent result of mixing.
asciilifeform: me, the moar i work with arithmetics, the moar plus i see to the 'big' (where 'bignums' are printed correctly when raw hexdumped )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i suggest to look again at the endianisms , so to remember which 1 it was that you barfed on
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 16:42 asciilifeform: i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu : i never liked bigendianism . but it did come from a particular cost analysis , ftr.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 14:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907383 << i entirely agree ( tho last we had this thrd, mircea_popescu didn't... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776201 )
asciilifeform: that one only does the americas tho, i cannot currently comment re europistani carriers
asciilifeform: incidentally even 'copa air' -- the only, afaik, co that was even willing to offer 100kg-per-man ~for extra charge~ -- still did not offer guarantee that they'd actually ~take~ the cargo ( answrd 'show up with it and ~probably~ it will get loaded , i.e. roulette )
diana_coman: I thought that was exactly what hotel porters were for though, hm
mp_en_viaje: i just make the women lug it.
asciilifeform: and i had to lug that 100 up the stairs in oddball BingoBoingostani hotel where 'want lift? here's some stairs to it'
mp_en_viaje: i packed a few whips and other irreplaceable leather etc torture/domestic implements. but no actual furniture.
mp_en_viaje: im like five-six hundred in, buying cappuccinos five bux at a time. and i'm not even spent yet!!
diana_coman: onth I can't see anything wrong in adding "feel like x" to a pizarro add if that does anything
PeterL: recently I saw an ad for some brokerage service, they actually included as one of the selling points "you can feel like a trader!"
asciilifeform: and what's moar, i've seen ~same nonsense pop up again an' again. 'we'll describe how satellite is launched , for audience of 8 y.o., this will SURELY put us closer to actually launching one' etc ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 11:34 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-06#1907141 << im not so sure the generalized problem is that interesting. he has a solid point, "are you kidding me, i can identify your ethernet stack with a fucking pickup needle".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907441 << i'ma come back to this some time we both have a whole hour, it deserves own thrd ( and possibly -- article ) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 09:47 mp_en_viaje: but! c) i show up, explain i got 3 people but ~200kgs of luggage (i'm fucking diana ross over here) and their idea was to.... pay for ticket, after which show up at airport, ~with no carrier guarantee whatsoever~. "pay us so many thousands to put yourself in such a spot, we can ask for any moar moneyz we think of".
asciilifeform: bigendian is sadly ~extinct on extant market iron tho. to the point that i haven't even a working one in torture room to test on presently.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 16:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re the 'guillotine neck vs mandible', if it ain't obvious, i'll spell it out ftr : bigendian nums look 'ffaistic' when hexdumped, i.e. correct . littleendian -- you gotta mentally flip'em.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 09:57 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907026 << i can't conceive what small endian ~even is for~. what is it for ? i'm against even supporting it altogether, you want to computer, use a computer that netowrk oders.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907383 << i entirely agree ( tho last we had this thrd, mircea_popescu didn't... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776201 ) ☝︎☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: last i dun into subj in depth, formed impression that usg may have exterminated (and swallowed the bones of) all extant makers of antifuse rom, in early '90s . on acct of the intrinsic radiation resistance of antifuse vs flash.
asciilifeform: i.e. you can buy all the 'otp eprom' you want, but they're ALL ordinary flash with the write pin (promisetronically) nonworking
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 16:04 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907304 << i formerly thought that this was obvious from the docs , but you ~can~ operate on vpatches without a vtron ( they're edible by trad. unix 'patch' util, and you can verify the sigs with anyffin roughly gpg-like , also by hand )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 13:24 phf: OriansJ: so i've thought about it, expressing concepts in forms for general consumption is a bad coping mechanism from a life time of being the smartest person in the room (assuming that it's not a ruse or self-delusion and you _are_ actually capable of clear thinking). problem is that it makes you lazy and rots the brain, and then when you're in the room of equals or superiors you suddenly discover that you're not practiced at
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907307 << the map his vpatch viewer spits out should work with that subset ; so should something like http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.html ; if you don't see a circle of links under the fingerprint, i expect your "subset of svg" is actually not functional on some level. though as he says, the actual possibility of having such a custom svg is dubious altogeter. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 12:01 OriansJ: now I am willing to build from source tools (after an audit) that will work with v; so that I can interact with the patches directly but as I have not finished an audit nor trust anyone who has previously audited the code; I am left with the bad option of setting up a burn box to view the patches.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 00:36 OriansJ: asciilifeform: I've hit http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=v and no it doesn't display without javascript enabled
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907271 << i suspect he cribbed it from trilema, which has the ~same gracefully-degrading js-dropbox. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907247 << i confess the wikilinks irritated me also. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 00:04 asciilifeform: i cannot resist to ask OriansJ , what exactly then is he doing here ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907216 << mostly, i told bvt to invite him over, i expect. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-26#1904872 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 00:04 OriansJ: asciilifeform: Having spent time reading the log; I am less than impressed