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esthlos: the program should be a good substitute for reading the paper directly
esthlos: phf: vaguely, that the code maps to the actual problem with no extraneous complexity, in an easily readable way
phf: esthlos: what do you mean by transparently?
ben_vulpes: symlink is new as of today
ben_vulpes: they're not all there, as that's the directory they get dumped into after mimisbrunnr is asked for them the first time
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes did this already exist, or new today
phf: original figure, i believe was wc -l on everything, i refined the loc mesasure
esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest ☟︎☟︎
phf: i took a little break to put it into CWEB so i can print it and read it (cutting process was mostly mechanic, so now i need to actually grok some of the things it does), but that turned out to be a pita
phf: esthlos: got gnudiff down to 6149 loc from 300407, added shasum to it, as of now it can do http://archive.is/5WxUZ
esthlos: phf: a little birdie told me you are working on a diff replacement. have you made significant progress?
asciilifeform: i.e. 'We have now the sha512 checksums of all blocks loaded by yours truly from mircea_popescu's machine on June 28 - 29, 2015. This is posted here as a permanent record in light of a certain conversation [2] concerning possible shitgnomatic shenanigans.'
asciilifeform: here they are.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-29 04:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/readme_s.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz.sig
a111: Logged on 2015-06-29 02:56 asciilifeform: i sorta want to start doing this thing where we for blocks 0 ... n, sha512sum block_n | gpg ...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-29#1180868 << hey ben_vulpes , does yer box do this ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-06-28 19:14 mircea_popescu: the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY.
asciilifeform: ( in re checkpoints, pertinent thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-28#1180510 and i was quite certain that some time then i posted hashes... ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( at one point there were a 'volokh brothers' www, and fairly respectable imho . )
asciilifeform: possibly this is it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: oh hah it was the brother : http://volokh.com/2010/04/30/on-a-bus-in-kiev/
asciilifeform: (not the desired piece tho, yet...)
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Et3G << that volokh.
asciilifeform: 'not shakespeare, the other shakespeare'
asciilifeform: ( emphasis on past tense )
mircea_popescu: i thought it was an actualy russian.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that piece commenting on how soviet citizens all sooner or later wake up to the disney quality of their state ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: let us rescue some piece into the logs : ugh
asciilifeform: oh hah, while digging, found https://archive.is/gB5hg << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-07#1123345 , entirely-unrelated archaeological item that somebody-or-other had asked for some time this year... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 16:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform republic has strength to enforce dunnit ?
asciilifeform: and yes i grasp that this is a kind of usurpation. but given http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759658, ! ☝︎
asciilifeform: and for that, want to have TrooManifest.
asciilifeform: i will also add, it is not wholly useless to ~watch~ who is sending over Troo Blox and who -- somethingleses
mircea_popescu: i was looking for this the other day.
mircea_popescu: o shit there it is, navrozov moment! ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally at one time asciilifeform made and signed a block hash manifest. but cannot find in the logz...
asciilifeform: and let there be such a thing as , e.g., viral-payload-node-that-still-gets-correct-blox-but-dun-need-to-carry-200GB
asciilifeform: right but really oughta formalize it, rather than ad-hoc
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 00:36 asciilifeform: ( because they don't be sitting for 30sec to 6min per block grunting ecdsa )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760097 << if doing that, correct thing is to justr copy over the official-chain ☝︎
asciilifeform: imho this is aesthetically displeasing but inevitable, eventually it'll be this or copying disks, sync-from-empty-space will be impractical in human timeframe
asciilifeform: theoretically could even have a 'actually do the full-bore-verifications in background AFTER sync' knob.
asciilifeform: ( because they don't be sitting for 30sec to 6min per block grunting ecdsa ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: nao, if we reintroduce checkpoints ( SANE checkpoints : i.e. keccak-of-whole-block-bitwise, rather than merkleism and sha2; and pgp-signed config eaten at boot ) we can have nodes that sync from empty hdd to full in <1day ...
asciilifeform: in other noose, zoolag has 21 peers, and has been at the bleeding tip of the spear continuously ( at least through the lens of asciilifeform's hand-cranked observatory gear) since getting there.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 22:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759720 << nah, apeloyee character also from there iirc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759889 << i had this notion that he happened by reading the l0gz, not asciilifeform's www. but could be wrong. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( in particular the orphanages amputations. good chunk of bandwidth is TO THIS. DAY. wasted , by prbtrons throwing their liquishit at trbtron )
asciilifeform: and a not-insignificant chunk of the work one sees in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable , had to happen on account of 'and we still have to talk to prb somehow...'
asciilifeform: ( and , consider, if mining were not also a bug, who would waste any time attempting to converse with prbtrons ? )
asciilifeform: the intrinsic difficulty of a trbtron's job is more or less 100% in dealing-with-prb.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 22:16 mircea_popescu: works ok for eg torrents, where all data is needed once in no particular order, but blockchain is not torrent.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759898 << in a sane gossiptron, nobody'd be keeping bastard blocks around to begin with, and the problem would not even be formulatable, 'what do you mean, out of order, everybody's got an ordered array of blocks, some people simply longer one than others, let's all visit'em' ☝︎
asciilifeform rereading oldies, e.g. his response to a circa-2011 gabriel_laddel , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=498&cpage=1#comment-1812
asciilifeform: they dunneed to.
asciilifeform: but will point out that most mathematical works do not reprint r&w's 1+1 ...
asciilifeform: for that matter, what's ffa, lol
asciilifeform: right, i've nuffin against russel&whitehead killing 8kg of tree to show how 1+1 makes 2
mircea_popescu: one item is stated ; the other item is not stated. does this belie anything about the relative situations of beliefs ?
mircea_popescu: you understand statement is the first process in the dissolution of taboo and the de-fanging of belief ?
asciilifeform: sorta how when asciilifeform switches on his console in the morning, he does not think 'but what will cockroaches think'
mircea_popescu: you evidently did not do the same ?
mircea_popescu: how come the arcane "you're missing the includes" need not be mentioned in one piece but was mentioned in the other and this gives you no pause in the "that's how i'd have done" ?
asciilifeform: this Мы has that brotherhood-of-civilized-men baked into it.
asciilifeform: i did not , then, have pygmy readers.
asciilifeform: imho it did not need pointing, any moar than 2+2=4
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how come your above item fails to point out the obvious, "he was dedicated to the supremacy of white man, and his enslavement of the entire world and nature itself to his own tastes and inclinations" ?
asciilifeform: ^ even includes link to another Troo Sov. 'Did Not Sell Soap But Starved While Making Worthwhile Things' (tm) d00d
mircea_popescu: it should perhaps be pointed out that while things like grocery lists, love letters, blog articles, ransom notes at all one might "should" write, it is the obituary which stands alone among all the literary forms as the only piece man must, eventually but absolutely MUST write.
asciilifeform: let's revise, 'i'd've like to have written the same.'
mircea_popescu: am i actually the only one to have written any obituaries, incidentally ?
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "if i were writing it i'd have written the same" when you wrote a few and considered how you'd write even more. but on the nude... ?
mircea_popescu: but you spoke like one who had considered the matter of writing obits quite well ?!
asciilifeform: nao for all i know this was done specifically to make asciilifeform et al think that 'ru forbes' is a thing.
mircea_popescu: well now i wanna see this. pretend i'm dead and let's see three paragraphs.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's lens it looks entirely like what i would have written myself, about this man, if i were closer to $subject.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then there's no substance to your disagreement, nor is the reading martian after all ?!
asciilifeform: i dun even see this supposed forbes-massage.
mircea_popescu: god knows nobody has YET written a piece for the usg faux news outlets that survived braindamaging at time of packaging (and some truly eminent examples documented by various parties)
asciilifeform: and like in any other, for that matter, country.
mircea_popescu: the other direct avenue, of course, is to say "text was a lot better as author submitted it, before forbes"ru" chiseled it into visible shape". which for all i know might even be true,
asciilifeform: they also went, and to this day are, where the food bowl is.
phf: but there's a point there, which is not necessarily about the man, but about the author. the selling forbes part, which i think is true. bulk of su intelligentsia went full "progressive" after the collapse
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu lacks the '#includes'
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's reading is equally martian to, e.g., phf , as to asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: what, fellow could not have used his language to say what he meant, i am to reconstruct the dinosaur out of half tooth ?
mircea_popescu: as i said, i can see this reading ; but it is entirely not what the text says.
asciilifeform: the argument , in asciilifeform's reading, is that bardin was a Troo Man Of Science (tm)(r) , liek the fella who starved in the seed collection in sieged leningrad. i.e. instead of going to sell soap and getrichquick(tm) in 'cooperatives', blackmarketeering, misc. adventurism, d00d sat and built up usenet node in su. collected unix src into a working whole, and did not try to gatekeeper. etc
mircea_popescu: nevertheless! the "genuine similarity" as one might in sufficient analysis passes unearth, is spurious when compared to the evident construction and its evident goals.
mircea_popescu: at the very least because, obviously, no two things man-made can be entirely disjunct thereby.
mircea_popescu: "in the absolute ideals spehre" or however formulated
mircea_popescu: the argument is not that usian socialism is utterly and entirely disjunct from soviet socialism
asciilifeform: possibly the 'Всем.' will make moarsense in light of the sov mythos where, e.g., pygmies in the jungle still in the end will win from newton publishing 'principia', because one day They Too will want to learn mechanics and build railways and so forth.
mircea_popescu: now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the story would work just as well but better with the coffee/tea switched, but i did it this way in memory of the master nikolay pushkin.
mircea_popescu: at the inspector's puzzled query, asciilifeform responded "it's clear he meant tea rather than coffee by that request".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was once director of insane asylum. moscow inspectors came to examine ivan bonapartii napoleonovich, a celebrated nutcase. ivan said "einstein is a jew, because his theories privilege the speed of light in preference of other speeds that are much more important to us" and asciilifeform brought ivan a cup of tea.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is directly contradicting the words.
mircea_popescu: he created a partition over the statal space, and choose some bits.
mircea_popescu: what he did was IN SPITE of the politruk, not for the politruk.